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Avalanche posted:In other news in pharmacy, there has been 1 woman who has been throwing a poo poo fit for the past 3 days because her Workman's Comp. coverage expired and wont pay for her pain medication. How much does this medication cost? $4.00 cash. It's an over the counter med too. She's driven over to our store at least 3 loving times to argue with someone over this travesty. I imagine she's spent at least $20 worth of gas driving back and forth at this point. Workers compensation expires in America? That's retarded - either someone has recovered, or they haven't yet. If she had, then the woman shouldn't have needed special medication. If she hadn't recovered, then her employer should have continued to pay for it. We have a lady at my work who slipped on a grape and injured her leg before Christmas. The company has followed it's legal obligations to the letter - All her medical expenses were paid for ( and the company was absolutely not entitled to any say on what doctors she saw, or what procedures she had done) a rehabilitation plan was coordinated with her doctor, Her wages continued to be paid based on the hours she had been rostered to before she injured herself - around 30 a week I believe, despite only in the past fortnight being able to return to work at all, and even then she can only do a couple of 3 hour shifts a week - she gets paid the rest in compensation to make up her 30 hours - and work is forced to obey her suitable duties instructions from her doctor. This will continue indefinitely until her doctor decides otherwise. This is how it should be. If a person injures themselves at work, or on a business trip, or at any work related function an employer has an obligation to pay for any expenses incurred, and work towards the successful rehabilitation of the worker.
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Drakkel posted:I'm guessing you're not in the US because if that had happened here they'd have contrived up some reason to fire her before the EMTs arrived. We have pretty strong unfair dismissal laws in Australia. Once someone makes it past the 3 month probation period it is very difficult to fire someone unless they do something very major - steal, kiddie porn on work computers, sexual harrasment, etc. Anything short of that and you have to go through a long and convoluted process of escalating warnings, and formal warnings, and retraining, etc. Even for situations such as redundancy the company is obligated to try and find the employee a job elsewhere in the company (and legal action can be taken against the company if the job the redundant person was performing is shown to have been given to someone else). Add to that Union membership rates close to 100% (and it's a massive union that covers ALL retail/fast food/distribution/etc workers in the entire country) and getting fired is very very rare. Of the incidents that have occurred at my store over the 10 years or so that I've been there, all but 1 have been to do with theft. The other was to do with obscene conduct - The employee was showing pornographic material around in the lunchroom. (and his termination was very controversial - the store manager at the time was very strict, I suspect most managers would have let him off with a formal warning of some sort.)
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The article's immediate claim that Obamacare caused Walmart to splurge on part-time workers when it's been doing that for many years is bizarre. These companies are immensely short-sighted; their customers' spending power has been anemic for years, but they just double down on keeping employees at near-poverty level and shifting whatever costs they can onto the government. I can only hope they eventually cause their own demise.
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Today a co-worker was sick as hell but couldn't go home because he'd already been written up for being ill in the past and if they get two more they're out the door permanently. I would have thought that would be illegal as hell in this country {uk), but I've seen companies actually follow through on it at previous jobs where someone was coping with a long term spinal injury. One time I overheard one of the meetings that you have to have with a manager when you get back to work and it's all kinds of  listening to both parties try and make a joke out of what is a ridiculously backward policy.
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The Lord Bude posted:Workers compensation expires in America? That's retarded - either someone has recovered, or they haven't yet. If she had, then the woman shouldn't have needed special medication. If she hadn't recovered, then her employer should have continued to pay for it. They don't have expiration dates like you're thinking. Her doctor probably released her and she most likely wants to milk everything. Over the counter medications aren't special. We're talking Tylenol or Motrin, which means her injury wasn't that bad.
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Azuth0667 posted:I can only hope they eventually cause their own demise. Yeah, I too want the company responsible for the largest quality of life increase for the poor in the history of the US to fail. Wait I'm not a sociopath.
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MJBuddy posted:Yeah, I too want the company responsible for the largest quality of life increase for the poor in the history of the US to fail. Wal-mart? I think you are confused. They have done a lot to make it worse, which is what you could have meant, but that raises more questions. edit: I have seriously never heard someone with this opinion, unless you base it off the fact the give jobs. Sankis posted:We have this lovely thing in the US called At-Will employment (it's totally for the workers, guys) where the gist of it is that you can be fired at any time for any (or no) reason short of a handful of exceptions, such as racial or gender discrimination. It also varies a bit state by state, but largely it looks the same. One of the things I saw when I just looked this up is this: It should be mentioned that under At-will, even the exception is rather useless. Since they don't have to prove their reasoning. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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The Lord Bude posted:We have pretty strong unfair dismissal laws in Australia. Once someone makes it past the 3 month probation period it is very difficult to fire someone unless they do something very major - steal, kiddie porn on work computers, sexual harrasment, etc. Anything short of that and you have to go through a long and convoluted process of escalating warnings, and formal warnings, and retraining, etc. Even for situations such as redundancy the company is obligated to try and find the employee a job elsewhere in the company (and legal action can be taken against the company if the job the redundant person was performing is shown to have been given to someone else). Add to that Union membership rates close to 100% (and it's a massive union that covers ALL retail/fast food/distribution/etc workers in the entire country) and getting fired is very very rare. Of the incidents that have occurred at my store over the 10 years or so that I've been there, all but 1 have been to do with theft. The other was to do with obscene conduct - The employee was showing pornographic material around in the lunchroom. (and his termination was very controversial - the store manager at the time was very strict, I suspect most managers would have let him off with a formal warning of some sort.) We have this lovely thing in the US called At-Will employment (it's totally for the workers, guys) where the gist of it is that you can be fired at any time for any (or no) reason short of a handful of exceptions, such as racial or gender discrimination. It also varies a bit state by state, but largely it looks the same. One of the things I saw when I just looked this up is this: quote:Wikipedia posted: Which applies to 43 out of 50 states. So in 7 US states you could be fired for warning your employer that these things you're making are a public hazard. Sankis fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:Wal-mart? I think you are confused. They have done a lot to make it worse, which is what you could have meant, but that raises more questions. I'm assuming it's because their stuff is so cheap that poor people can afford things.
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Dr_Amazing posted:I'm assuming it's because their stuff is so cheap that poor people can afford things. Oh, that could be it. Still rather weak and doesn't warrant calling people a sociopath.
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The whole not enough hours for benefits thing is hardly new. My old call center did the exact same thing and losing hours was a punishment. Though, it's sad people are buying into it being a result from Obamacare, when it's actually rear end in a top hat companies.
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SlaveToTheGrinds posted:The receipt thing at Dunkin basically goes if we didn't give you a receipt your whole orders free. But as far as I know it only counts in the moment. The reason for the obsession with the receipts for them in particular is to make sure the employee tells the customer about the online surveys. It's their way of making sure the employee gets them filled out. They have to get so many surveys a month or get poo poo on by the DM. It's a giant pain in the rear end considering most people could give a gently caress about a receipt for a coffee and throw them on the counter or the floor. That lady needs to burn for her bullshit, I really hope to god the powers that be at Dunkin don't validate this bitch. I'm sure someone in the history of retail has thought of this but why don't the employees call and do fake surveys on themselves if its so difficult.
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fuckyoubitch posted:I'm sure someone in the history of retail has thought of this but why don't the employees call and do fake surveys on themselves if its so difficult. Because by the time you've finished a day of retail the last thing you want to do is anything that reminds you of it whatsoever.
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Aerofallosov posted:Though, it's sad people are buying into it being a result from Obamacare, when it's actually rear end in a top hat companies. Okay, I've had this conversation with someone. The actual premise is that "OBAMACARE" is "irresponsible" because the legislators were perfectly aware that, if they enacted the legislation, companies would do all they could to shift as much of the burden as they could onto the government. ...yes, obviously all the fault lies with The Goverment here. Later that same day, the very same lady made a point to me which was an elaborate circumlocution of the "poor people are obviously bad because if they were good like me they would literally be me in every way" principle. I actually have a story! I wound up in the middle of the 10pm rush that my local Wal-Mart has every night, in line ahead of another pale and wan-looking nerdy guy and a lady on her cell phone with a screaming child. When I looked at the child, we made eye contact and she immediately shut the gently caress up and gave me that fascinated googly-eyed look that toddlers get when they encounter something new. She initially hid behind her mother, but I smiled and ducked my head a little, so she came out and just stared at me, holding onto the leg of her mom's pants. Normally I wouldn't do a transaction while barely looking at the cashier, but she seemed not to mind, possibly because of how particularly piercing that child's voice was. E: ^^^ The only thing worse than following utterly inane yet viciously asinine corporate policies is doing any more work whatsoever in order to circumvent them. LonsomeSon fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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LonsomeSon posted:Okay, I've had this conversation with someone. The actual premise is that "OBAMACARE" is "irresponsible" because the legislators were perfectly aware that, if they enacted the legislation, companies would do all they could to shift as much of the burden as they could onto the government. That's kind of a funny explanation. "It's so obvious our company doesn't care about its employees and will exploit sleazy loopholes to avoid providing something that improves their lives, the government should have KNOWN!" And the good ol' "Just World" fallacy, which is basically what her views on the poor sound like.
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today is a bad retail day, one of my favorite patients died. I thought about it and it never seems to be the rear end in a top hat trying to scam me for some more oxycotin or meth making materials instead its always one of our friendly, nice patients that dies  .
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fuckyoubitch posted:I'm sure someone in the history of retail has thought of this but why don't the employees call and do fake surveys on themselves if its so difficult. Most customer satisfaction survey software will automatically red-flag multiple surveys coming from the same IP address or telephone number.
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It's summer and that means it's time to ask for donations to Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation. Great. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great Foundation, probably one or my favorites. It was started back when a young girl named Alex was diagnosed with cancer so she started a Lemonade Stand on her street and donated all the profits to pediatric cancer research. It's really awesome. But without fail I always get the dumb people. Me: Would you like to make a Donation to Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation? Them: How much is the lemonade? / Is the Lemonade sugar-free? Me: It's a cancer research foundation... Them: Oh...so no lemonade? No thanks. Me: Would you like to make a donation to Alex's Lemonade St-- Them: I'm not thirsty I got tired of Lemonade-related questions so I tried to switch it up... Me: Would you like to donate to Alex's Cancer research foundation? Them: Never heard of it. / I don't trust charities. / I already donate through work. / No. Sometimes they don't even let me say the charity name before they shoot me down. Me: Would you like to make a donation to-- Them: I don't want to donate anything to anyone! I work hard for my money!  Stupid people! Help kids with cancer!!
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No- gently caress you for imposing a donation when I am trying to buy some poo poo and leave.
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I wouldn't mind the donation stuff if it wasn't so forced on the employees. At my last job they kept track of how many donations every employee got, and you had to get a certain amount a week. If you didn't meet your quota, you'd get taken into the office like it was middle school and given a stern warning. That kind of seems against the whole principle of the thing.
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I don't mean gently caress you to the guy who posted. I just mean it is another stupid poorly thought out armchair decision that makes the retail experience less tolerable.
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Our company stopped the practice of asking for donations because it annoyed customers and generally didn't raise all that much money considering the costs of processing the donations through our point of sale systems. It ended up being cheaper to just donate directly to the causes.
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Yeah I hate asking people to give over more money but we get lectured by Management at my work too. I try to be polite and just ask once and if they say no, I move on. Management doesn't understand how stingy people can be. They just don't have to be so rude about it.
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Buggiezor posted:Yeah I hate asking people to give over more money but we get lectured by Management at my work too. I try to be polite and just ask once and if they say no, I move on.
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Drakkel posted:I wouldn't mind the donation stuff if it wasn't so forced on the employees. At my last job they kept track of how many donations every employee got, and you had to get a certain amount a week. If you didn't meet your quota, you'd get taken into the office like it was middle school and given a stern warning. That kind of seems against the whole principle of the thing. This is my job every week except with e-mail addresses. So far I've only been called to the office/written up once for not meeting the quota, but I get lectured about it pretty much weekly, sometimes multiple times a week. It still boggles my mind that the company doesn't seem to understand that people don't like giving up their private info to be spammed to death with ads, so obviously it's "The cashiers must just be asking the wrong way. Write em up!  "They actually told me to switch it up and just ask if customers were signed up with our program already or not. Most of them honestly had no idea what it even was and either started digging around in their wallet for a store card (that doesn't exist) or just said "no, I'm not," then handed me a coupon printed off from one of the promotional e-mails. 
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Buggiezor posted:It's summer and that means it's time to ask for donations to Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation. Great. You're doing it wrong. Instead of saying "would you like to donate to..." Say "would you like to help sick kids with cancer by..." Far fewer people will answer no when being specifically confronted with a direct question as to whether they want to help dying children compared to the more detached question of contributing money to an organization. If they still say no, you have one last chance to get money out of them by embarrassing them with a response like "oh you don't like kids?"
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The Lord Bude posted:You're doing it wrong. If I donated to every person who asked me to, I'd be living on the street. Also, reading things like http://www.tampabay.com/topics/specials/worst-charities1.page makes me really not want to donate to any charity I haven't looked into.
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Have I even heard of your charity? No? gently caress off, you're a scam to divert money to the board of directors. Yes? Do you have credentials that establish you as a genuine representative of the group? No? gently caress off, you're a scam to divert money to the board of directors. Yes? Have you been involved with the charity for at least a year? No? gently caress off, you're a scam to divert money to the board of directors. Yes? Do you know personally at least one person in upper management? No? gently caress off, you're a scam to divert money to the board of directors. Yes? Are you one of the few charities I know that isn't made to dodge taxes and enrich your upper level executives? No? gently caress off, you're a scam to divert money to the board of directors. Yes? Here's a dollar. I'll donate seriously when I'm on my way out of life, not when I need the money most.
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Sankis posted:Ignore what he just said because it's absolutely terrible and every customer justifiably hate you for it. And yet my Managers are the ones who put me on to how effective it is as a strategy. As long as they donate, who gives a poo poo if the customers hate me for it? I expect customers to maintain basic manners and follow any instructions I give them. I place no relevance on their opinion of me. I've never heard of management disciplining anyone for not meeting a quota, but the competition between stores to raise the most money is intensely fierce, and management have gamified the process by turning it into a competition between the stores. They hand out prizes each week for staff members who do best in fundraising. It's probably also worth noting that our charity drives almost always take the form of raffles, with decent prizes - like a car, or free groceries for a year - so they tend to get really good results.
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The Lord Bude posted:We have pretty strong unfair dismissal laws in Australia. Once someone makes it past the 3 month probation period it is very difficult to fire someone unless they do something very major - steal, kiddie porn on work computers, sexual harrasment, etc. Anything short of that and you have to go through a long and convoluted process of escalating warnings, and formal warnings, and retraining, etc. Even for situations such as redundancy the company is obligated to try and find the employee a job elsewhere in the company (and legal action can be taken against the company if the job the redundant person was performing is shown to have been given to someone else). Add to that Union membership rates close to 100% (and it's a massive union that covers ALL retail/fast food/distribution/etc workers in the entire country) and getting fired is very very rare. Of the incidents that have occurred at my store over the 10 years or so that I've been there, all but 1 have been to do with theft. The other was to do with obscene conduct - The employee was showing pornographic material around in the lunchroom. (and his termination was very controversial - the store manager at the time was very strict, I suspect most managers would have let him off with a formal warning of some sort.) I know your whole gimmick in this thread is to make yourself sound like a Herculean superman of retail & paint Australia as some kind of socialist workers paradise, but c'mon dude, at least try to bat within a faint echo of reality. The SDA is a toothless dog who have rolled over on nearly every collective bargaining deal with major retailers over the past decade, retail union membership is plummeting thanks to that, and it's comically easy for casual workers to get legally managed out of a job completely within the letter of the law. Getting a cushy ride at Woolies is in no way indicative of retail and service work in Australia in general. Australia is infinitely more favourable to employees than the US is, but the kind of fictional drivel you poop out in this thread is just ridiculous.
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The Lord Bude posted:
Do you know how many people hate kids and love their money? A lot.
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The Lord Bude posted:If they still say no, you have one last chance to get money out of them by embarrassing them with a response like "oh you don't like kids?" Yeah, no, I donate to charity and I have kids of my own, but if someone spouted that poo poo at me they can gently caress right off. Trying to shame people into donating money is a terrible idea. I have no problem with people asking me to donate at the checkout, but pressing the issue like this is more likely to get me to leave all my produce on the conveyor belt and go and shop somewhere else.
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slingshot effect posted:I know your whole gimmick in this thread is to make yourself sound like a Herculean superman of retail & paint Australia as some kind of socialist workers paradise, but c'mon dude, at least try to bat within a faint echo of reality. How dare you speak to the outdate champion in such a manner!
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slingshot effect posted:I know your whole gimmick in this thread is to make yourself sound like a Herculean superman of retail & paint Australia as some kind of socialist workers paradise, but c'mon dude, at least try to bat within a faint echo of reality. The SDA is a toothless dog who have rolled over on nearly every collective bargaining deal with major retailers over the past decade, retail union membership is plummeting thanks to that, and it's comically easy for casual workers to get legally managed out of a job completely within the letter of the law. Getting a cushy ride at Woolies is in no way indicative of retail and service work in Australia in general. That hasn't been my experience at least but I'm sure it may occur at other retailers, especially the smaller ones.
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slingshot effect posted:I know your whole gimmick in this thread is to make yourself sound like a Herculean superman of retail & paint Australia as some kind of socialist workers paradise, but c'mon dude, at least try to bat within a faint echo of reality. The SDA is a toothless dog who have rolled over on nearly every collective bargaining deal with major retailers over the past decade, retail union membership is plummeting thanks to that, and it's comically easy for casual workers to get legally managed out of a job completely within the letter of the law. Getting a cushy ride at Woolies is in no way indicative of retail and service work in Australia in general. Also Woolworths has no need to fire people when it just treats them gradually worse and worse until they feel the need to quit.
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Someone at my work just got fired for stealing drinks. Great job dude, you are 23 and still living with your mom. He told me he was trying to save up and move out. And then he got fired for stealing sodas. I feel like this is the dumbest thing you can do. We have a public water fountain near the restrooms and another employee one in the breakroom. Management lets you bring your own water bottles if you want to. There's NO REASON for you to steal drinks. This may not be the best job in the world but it's better than nothing. It's stupid easy work and our store is usually pretty empty except for the Christmas toy craze. Why would you risk steady hours and income over some soda? If you're going to steal from work at least make it something good. Just kidding, don't steal from work, guys
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The Lord Bude posted:As long as they donate, who gives a poo poo if the customers hate me for it? I expect customers to maintain basic manners and follow any instructions I give them. I place no relevance on their opinion of me.
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