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Jun 21, 2013 14:45
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That's some tasty plotting.
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Jun 21, 2013 14:52
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Is it possible to break the gate just by hitting it? If there's no self-destruct and with no access to magic, this might prove difficult. Whatever they do think up, though, there's a high chance it'll kill Belkar. Also I thought it was neat that Malack passed on revealing the Order, both to spite Nale and honor Durkon's last request.
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Jun 21, 2013 14:53
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Yeah, Malack continues to be pretty cool for an evil genocidal bastard.
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Jun 21, 2013 14:59
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Dolash posted:Is it possible to break the gate just by hitting it? If there's no self-destruct and with no access to magic, this might prove difficult. Whatever they do think up, though, there's a high chance it'll kill Belkar. Worked on Soon's gate, that only took one hit.
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Jun 21, 2013 15:41
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There's also one other problem with breaking the gate: Xykon is on the way, and he probably knows where Kraagor's gate is. Destroying the gate will keep it from Tarquin's hands, but Xykon can just teleport to the next one and have a huge lead as the Order struggles to catch up. I'm pretty sure that Tarquin will come back down here too, he's smart enough to at least verify that it's not a double bluff.
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Jun 21, 2013 15:43
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, Malack continues to be pretty cool for an evil genocidal bastard. And it will probably get him killed.
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Jun 21, 2013 15:48
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I did not see that coming.  sebmojo posted:And it will probably get him killed. Or it might lead to him getting devamped eventually.
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Jun 21, 2013 15:52
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:There's also one other problem with breaking the gate: Xykon is on the way, and he probably knows where Kraagor's gate is. Yeah, it took me a second to figure out why exactly Roy wants to destroy the gate, but from his perspective, it's the best way to make sure it stays out of the bad guy's reach.
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Jun 21, 2013 16:07
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I imagine V showing up to tell him "Don't do it you idiot!" a moment too late.
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Jun 21, 2013 16:09
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Destroying gates create big explosions. Does Roy remember that? He was a bit dead when Soon's gate blasted the castle (and Miko) apart; and he might think the explosion of Dorukan's gate was caused by the special runes that guarded it against evil rather than by its intrinsic nature of being a gate. Anyway, I can imagine the load-bearing pillars in the vicinity of the gate to be blasted away, making the pyramid crumble atop the would-be gate conquerors.
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Jun 21, 2013 16:24
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Flesh Forge posted:I really like the reference to Roy's Architecture skill. He's going to retire as an architect after all of this is over.
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Jun 21, 2013 17:21
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Cat Mattress posted:Destroying gates create big explosions. Does Roy remember that? He was a bit dead when Soon's gate blasted the castle (and Miko) apart; and he might think the explosion of Dorukan's gate was caused by the special runes that guarded it against evil rather than by its intrinsic nature of being a gate. RFED. GG, everyone.
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Jun 21, 2013 19:04
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Cat Mattress posted:Destroying gates create big explosions. Does Roy remember that? He was a bit dead when Soon's gate blasted the castle (and Miko) apart; and he might think the explosion of Dorukan's gate was caused by the special runes that guarded it against evil rather than by its intrinsic nature of being a gate. Roy almost certainly knows it but it isn't like he has another choice.
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Jun 21, 2013 19:14
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It's too bad V isn't there to display the 1,001st use for Explosive Runes.
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Jun 21, 2013 19:26
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MikeJF posted:Why do I have a feeling that Girard didn't include a convenient self-destruct rune. I don't know, it would be in keeping with his paranoia to include a rune like that for the worse-case scenario.
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Jun 21, 2013 19:53
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I chuckled at Belkar's joke.
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Jun 21, 2013 21:03
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The best part is if Durkon had been free willed right now he would have noticed, but a vampire thrall probably doesn't get to use it's free Stonecunning check. 
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Jun 21, 2013 21:08
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So, what are the consequences for breaking these things again? I don't remember why you wouldn't always want to.
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Jun 22, 2013 05:48
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They're enormous holes in existence a monster occasionally reaches out of and kills people through.
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Jun 22, 2013 05:55
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El Generico posted:So, what are the consequences for breaking these things again? I don't remember why you wouldn't always want to. It weakens the fabric of reality. Previously, this let the snarl reach out and unmake things in the vicinity. If they all become unsealed and reality tears enough, the snarl gets out and unmakes all of reality and probably the gods too.
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Jun 22, 2013 05:56
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Uranium Phoenix posted:It weakens the fabric of reality. Previously, this let the snarl reach out and unmake things in the vicinity. If they all become unsealed and reality tears enough, the snarl gets out and unmakes all of reality and probably the gods too. Ahh, right. Always seems like the world's hosed however you slice it.
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Jun 22, 2013 05:58
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Yeah if they're broken the snarl can stick his gross noodly things through and poke people with them (maybe? probably? I don't think we've seen it happen outside of the crayon flashback). As for why not break them all, I actually dunno, but when the gate is broken it causes a lot of damage and the tear does end up a lot bigger than the original non-gated tear, so I'd imagine if they ALL get broken things will probably get mad trippy as the snarl rips things up and the gods make another world e:f-B
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Jun 22, 2013 06:02
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Uranium Phoenix posted:It weakens the fabric of reality. Previously, this let the snarl reach out and unmake things in the vicinity. If they all become unsealed and reality tears enough, the snarl gets out and unmakes all of reality and probably the gods too. The gods could fix the tears, but doing so would require unmaking, and then remaking, all of reality. So let's call that Plan B.
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Jun 22, 2013 07:56
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Either way, Redcloak will win.
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Jun 22, 2013 08:19
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Basically, the tears were slowly getting wider and reality was eventually going to fall apart until the gates were built, which stopped the decay. They could always be reconstructed, I guess is what Roy's thinking. That said, destroying the Azure City gate seems to have ripped that tear wide open.
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Jun 22, 2013 08:24
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Were the gates really widening? I had thought they were just sitting there, unnoticed and occasionally killing/unmaking people who got too close. Then the gates were made to seal them off. Granted its been a long while since I went through the archives/SoD.
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Jun 22, 2013 08:39
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I totally fell for that double bluff. Not because I didn't think the gate was in the pillar behind a lead sheet, which I totally did, but because I didn't doubt for a second that there would really be another pyramid, however small. Note to self: illusionists are by definition liars. My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jun 22, 2013 |
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Jun 22, 2013 08:57
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Cliff Racer posted:Were the gates really widening? I had thought they were just sitting there, unnoticed and occasionally killing/unmaking people who got too close. Then the gates were made to seal them off. Granted its been a long while since I went through the archives/SoD. This strip is one of the ones showing the Paladin's rift as it has grown. There are several others. Remember, the Paladin's gate started out the size of a gem. I think in the crayon adventures, it's mentioned the rifts open up, kill people, and grow.
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Jun 22, 2013 08:59
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Uranium Phoenix posted:This strip is one of the ones showing the Paladin's rift as it has grown. There are several others. Remember, the Paladin's gate started out the size of a gem. But there are almost certainly some Very Important Things we don't know about the Snarl.
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Jun 22, 2013 09:03
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sebmojo posted:But there are almost certainly some Very Important Things we don't know about the Snarl. Oh absolutely. We don't know why there's a planet inside the rift, and we don't know why it isn't attacking people this go-around (the two are probably connected). I don't think we'll find out about it's secrets yet with the shattering of this gate (though it's possible). I think Rich will wait until the final gate to reveal more about the snarl.
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Jun 22, 2013 09:16
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Uranium Phoenix posted:This strip is one of the ones showing the Paladin's rift as it has grown. There are several others. Remember, the Paladin's gate started out the size of a gem. When published I took that to be an effect of the explosion and then further tampering that Xycon and Redcloak were doing to it.
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Jun 22, 2013 09:44
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Cliff Racer posted:When published I took that to be an effect of the explosion and then further tampering that Xycon and Redcloak were doing to it. No, they haven't been tampering AFAIK. They don't care about anything but the gates.
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Jun 22, 2013 10:36
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Smashing the gates is starting to look a little too much like the easy option around here. If they smash this one, I imagine they'll be told by someone or other that if all five gates are destroyed the gods are going to remake the universe to keep the Snarl sealed. That way we'll go into Kraagor's Gate knowing they can't just blow it up to keep it out of the villains' hands this time.
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Jun 22, 2013 15:13
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The thing is they can't defend this one, so smashing is pretty much the only option they have. The Order is down both of their spell casters and any summons they might have provided. And Tarquin will probably come downstairs very soon. So it's pretty much stand and fight against really really bad odds, or destroy it and hope for the best,
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Jun 22, 2013 17:22
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Sometime around now would be a good time for Haley's Father to show up, and have all his suspicions about Roy and his party confirmed when he finds them trying to destroy the gate.
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Jun 22, 2013 17:38
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Destroying the gate is their best bet right now. Tarquin's crew is nearby and he's probably going to catch on to the double bluff right quick, Xykon could arrive literally any moment, and the Order isn't in any shape to hold their own against any one enemy crew right now. Better to have the gate destroyed and reset the power balance hoping to be able to regroup properly for the last gate. Plus a somewhat bleak factor: could be Roy's hoping the blast from destroying the gate will take out everyone including the Order, leaving O-Chul at the last gate to sort things out somehow.
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Jun 22, 2013 19:04
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I am partially expecting someone to have to stay behind to destroy the gate, while the others distract the Bad Guys to give that person time. (Belkar)
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Jun 22, 2013 19:25
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sebmojo posted:No, they haven't been tampering AFAIK. They don't care about anything but the gates. Yeah they were, they were trying to figure the gates out when they were throwing those prisoners into it. Course if Xycon were really patient, since he has all the time in the world. he aught to have just sent for a legendary spell caster to make a new gate at one of the three destroyed ones, that way he doesn't have to battle for it. Or whatever it was that the OotSc did to build theirs. I guess he wasn't patient enough or thinks waiting in Azure City is too risky or just thinks that it would be easier to blast through a pyramid of hippies than to come up with the gold for that magic.
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Jun 22, 2013 19:40
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This is actually a pretty good plan by Roy. Suicidal, but good. Here's what he has to do: The Order waits for Xykon to appear. Roy sits on Redcloak, using his new feat to keep Redcloak from casting Word of Recall, while telling Xykon what he intends to do. Xykon hears Roy, and figures, hey, my phylactery is on the Astral Plane, so if you blow up this gate and destroy my body, big deal, I'll regenerate in my fortress and just hoof it to the last gate on my own. This train of thought will keep Xykon from being personally invested in actually saving the gate, so it should be a simple task for the rest of the Order to destroy it. Plus, since the phylactery is actually on Redcloak's person instead of on the Astral Plane, it will most likely be destroyed along with everyone else at the gate, which discharges the blood oath and protects the world from Xykon. All in all, a very decent plan for Roy to think of. It will be interesting to see what breaks down and where.
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