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triplexpac posted:I wonder, if WWE got a guy like Dusty today, would they just completely job him out? Nowadays embarrassing a guy isn't so much "dress him up silly but still push him", it's "give him a horrible gimmick and then make him lose for 12 months" If they got a guy like Dusty today he would work NXT dark matches until he lost weight.
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Or until he gained even more weight since Vince has an inexplicable fondness for incredibly fat wrestlers.
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It's hard for me to imagine WWE even acquiring someone like Dusty in his prime. A guy who can work, has great charisma, can get himself over, and knows about the business backstage, even if he's fat and not exceptionally tall. WWE wants their stars to be manufactured mutants whenever possible.
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Basically all the same reasons they let Colt get away.
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I've been watching some Jimmy Valiant shoot interviews and he seems like a really awesome guy. I loved watching his stuff in old NWA/WCW, but is he one of those guys who smartened up at the end of his career, or was he always pretty cool?
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Renaissance Spam posted:I've been watching some Jimmy Valiant shoot interviews and he seems like a really awesome guy. I loved watching his stuff in old NWA/WCW, but is he one of those guys who smartened up at the end of his career, or was he always pretty cool? Jimmy Valiant trained a bunch of the guys in former PSP obsession Mountain State Wrestling.
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oatgan posted:Jimmy Valiant trained a bunch of the guys in former PSP obsession Mountain State Wrestling. Considering that MSW had Buddy Love I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.
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How the gently caress does a guy like Chris Hero do those elbow strikes without concussing the hell out of people? They sound sick, but there's not really any way to slap one's thigh like with kicks, and he doesn't usually wear elbow pads anymore.
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Renaissance Spam posted:I've been watching some Jimmy Valiant shoot interviews and he seems like a really awesome guy. I loved watching his stuff in old NWA/WCW, but is he one of those guys who smartened up at the end of his career, or was he always pretty cool? He always brought a lot to the table. Well, under the table.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:How the gently caress does a guy like Chris Hero do those elbow strikes without concussing the hell out of people? They sound sick, but there's not really any way to slap one's thigh like with kicks, and he doesn't usually wear elbow pads anymore. Its still the same theory. If you want the illusion shattered watch the motion of his other arm when he does the roaring elbow.
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^^^^ or that.SamuraiFoochs posted:How the gently caress does a guy like Chris Hero do those elbow strikes without concussing the hell out of people? They sound sick, but there's not really any way to slap one's thigh like with kicks, and he doesn't usually wear elbow pads anymore. Perhaps his opponent slaps their thigh? I'm not sure.
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Yeah, this isn't the best example of the sound, but you can see how he does it here if you look closely. When was the last time WWE did a ladder match that wasn't for a title or a briefcase? I feel like they should be able to have ladder matches for other things, but I'm struggling to think of what those things should be. I know they've had them for #1 contenderships, but what if it's just a grudge match that doesn't involve a title at all? What could you put at the top? I mean other than a Hardee's Bacon Thickburger.
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sticklefifer posted:Yeah, this isn't the best example of the sound, but you can see how he does it here if you look closely.
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sticklefifer posted:Yeah, this isn't the best example of the sound, but you can see how he does it here if you look closely. They did the TLC match at 2012 with the Shield that didn't even have anything hanging above the ring.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Its still the same theory. If you want the illusion shattered watch the motion of his other arm when he does the roaring elbow. Honestly this makes me feel better about enjoying them because the sound is a mix of  and  and I'm glad there's some illusion involved because drat.
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triplexpac posted:I wonder, if WWE got a guy like Dusty today, would they just completely job him out? Nowadays embarrassing a guy isn't so much "dress him up silly but still push him", it's "give him a horrible gimmick and then make him lose for 12 months" I think some of that might depend on whether or not they gave him any mic time. Let him cut a promo and he might come out with Hard Times II.
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sticklefifer posted:
The only one I really remember was for a #1 contendership between Morrison and Sheamus at TLC 2010? It was a great match.
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Thanks, but I'm thinking more along the lines of something that isn't either a belt (or contendership briefcase), and the match ends when you get it (so, not a weapon). I wish there were some important object that means "you win, match over" without being title-related. The best I can come up with is a ring bell with a hammer tied to it, and you have to ring the bell yourself. But then it might be hard to determine who rang it if both guys are up there. Maybe one of Vince McMahon's brass rings. 
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There was the Rey-Eddie ladder match at Summerslam one year for custody of Rey's son.
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How is everyone forgetting the TIT? 
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A literal brass ring Edit: I suck at reading
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When viewing wrestlers from a Game of Thrones standpoint, who is the smartest from a political perspective? People always point out Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, and Triple H as being guys that knew how to work the system. Nash once said the greatest worker of all time is Hulk Hogan since he made the most money. If the objective of the "work" involved is to make money and not put on a great match. Nash made a lot of money as well. despite doing very little. Somehow he's made a career out of convincing people he's worth something yet isn't very good at his craft. Triple H literally gamed the business by making the right alliances early on, burying anyone he thought could threaten his spot, and married the boss' daughter. The business will be his once Vince steps down. I'd throw Eric Bischoff in the mix as well. Eric has an uncanny ability to convince reputable businesses to throw money his way despite a poor track record. The Rock used wrestling to succeed in an even more competitive industry becoming a Hollywood A-lister. Who ultimately comes out on top?
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In listening to a Steen and Necro Butcher interview, it seems like both wrestlers have had tough dealings with CZW. I know that it's a small sample size but some wrestlers, that are not CZW regulars, have had good dealings with CZW, right?
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Psul Burchill is pretty good at incest. So I'm going to say Paul Burchill.
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I'd say that The Rock is the most successful guy to ever come out of pro-wrestling, and that Hogan is the most successful pro-wrestler, if that makes any sense?
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Steve Austin made the most money in the shortest amount of time making him the best and most efficient wrestler.
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Brock beat WWE in court, destroyed Vince's confidence, and returned to make a bunch of money on very few dates.
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MassRafTer posted:Steve Austin made the most money in the shortest amount of time making him the best and most efficient wrestler. I was going to say Austin but figured that Hogan beats him purely on longevity. Now that's not necessarily a good thing (in fact, it definitely isn't) but I figured Hogan is the guy who has had the longest run of success in the biggest companies and continues to make a good amount of money even today in a smaller one.
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Nash probably has the highest money:work ratio.
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getitoffgetitoff posted:Nash probably has the highest money:work ratio. Genius might have him beat
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Vince McMahon is obviously the only real answer here. The Rock is more successful but only because he went to Essos instead.
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TL posted:There was the Rey-Eddie ladder match at Summerslam one year for custody of Rey's son. This is also the greatest ladder match ever. Not really for any actual wrestling but just for the sheer insanity of the storyline ending in such a crazy way.
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I will need to factor health into success. You can have all the money but if it hurts to put your pants on every morning, poo poo still kind of sucks. Hogan and Austin had health problems to show for their success. Hogan may still, although I think Austin is doing good these days. The Rock and HHH have had injuries, but as far as I know they never suffered chronic ongoing issues. Those two guys have probably been the most successful but on opposite sides of the coin. If I had to pick one I'll go with The Rock because it just seems like he's having a lot of fun with his life, enjoying success, making millions of dollars, he can do whatever he wants at the moment.
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Triple H is going to literally end up with the company so he's basically the winner of all of this, and frankly his plan may have been just as good as Littlefinger's.
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I like to imagine the booking meeting where HHH pitched he and Stephanie becoming kayfabe involved followed by a smash cut to Kevin Sullivan waking up in a cold sweat.
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Triple H: See, eventually Steph will fall for me, and then WWE will be mine! Chyna: Ours? Triple H: You heard what I said 
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jeffersonlives posted:Triple H is going to literally end up with the company so he's basically the winner of all of this, and frankly his plan may have been just as good as Littlefinger's. His plan was Littlefinger's.
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fatherdog posted:I like to imagine the booking meeting where HHH pitched he and Stephanie becoming kayfabe involved followed by a smash cut to Kevin Sullivan waking up in a cold sweat. His rise was really incomprehensibly swift and complete when you run out the full timeline; he went from nearly being fired in spring 1996 to being on the booking committee in fall 1997, and then from there he was pushed to the moon for years straight before he got over as anything more than a catchphrase, culminating in a storyline where he booked himself into a relationship with the boss's daughter. And then after they fall in love for real, he outmaneuvers both his own wife and his brother-in-law to become the heir apparent, while still pushing himself to the moon and burying anyone and everyone that was either a threat or that he disliked. It's really quite something when you take a step back and admire it.
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