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Genocyber posted:When will people learn not to listen to trickster gods. They're always the biggest assholes. Yeah, basically. Coyote's like that rear end in a top hat genie where when you wish for a million dollars he dumps gold bars on you that crush you to death.
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I guess Coyotes changing iris in the middle could be an indication that he might have some sort of godlike suggestive power and I've seen his eyes changing like that elsewhere but can't quite remember where. They also turn completely white when he uses his powers to steal the moon or pluck memories from Ysengrins brain.
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Jun 24, 2013 17:45
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Is there any significance to Renard also being called Reynardine? Hetty calls him Reynardine, and I don't think he's been called that for quite a while. It looks like Eglamore, Anja, Donald and others associated with the Court call him Reynardine. However, this isn't entirely consistent. During Spring-Heeled, Part II, the security personnel call him Renard. The beginning of Fire Spike shows that Surma was the first to call him Reynardine. Annie used to call him Reynardine, then used both names, sometimes within the same conversation, but now she calls him Renard, which is his original name and the one that Coyote uses. When Renard first appeared, he introduced himself as Reynardine. He probably took to the name because Surma gave it to him. So who told the Court that Renard also went by Reynardine? Was it Surma, as part of the plot to capture him, or was it Renard himself?
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Jun 24, 2013 17:49
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It's a nickname Surma gave him, taken an old ballad about a werefox that abducted young women.
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Jun 24, 2013 17:55
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And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. No parallels there, no siree.
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Jun 24, 2013 17:57
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Cruel and Unusual posted:Is there any significance to Renard also being called Reynardine? Hetty calls him Reynardine, and I don't think he's been called that for quite a while. It looks like Eglamore, Anja, Donald and others associated with the Court call him Reynardine. However, this isn't entirely consistent. During Spring-Heeled, Part II, the security personnel call him Renard. The beginning of Fire Spike shows that Surma was the first to call him Reynardine. Annie used to call him Reynardine, then used both names, sometimes within the same conversation, but now she calls him Renard, which is his original name and the one that Coyote uses. When Renard first appeared, he introduced himself as Reynardine. He probably took to the name because Surma gave it to him. So who told the Court that Renard also went by Reynardine? Was it Surma, as part of the plot to capture him, or was it Renard himself? It wouldn't surprise me if Renard took on the moniker/persona of Renardine the demon to distance himself from his actions. People seem to use whichever name best suits the nature/timeframe of their relationship with him. I.e. Anja, Donald, Eggers, etc. use Renardine because they knew him best as the body-stealing demon, whereas Coyote knew him before that and uses Renards. Annie shifts from his introduction as Renardine the demon to Renard her friend. That's my guess at least? Anyway this revelation casts even more doubt on several of Coyote's statements. For example, he 'cried' at hearing that Renard was captured and tricked*, but also that he knew it was a trick. Now we know that he pushed Renard into the trap himself! Coyote wanted Renard to be captured. Why? Does he have a plan, or did he just want to see what would happen? He's manipulating Ysengrin, so is this a ploy too? Not really related and not really important, but I've been tinkering with the idea that Coyote did know that Eglamore was not Annie's father, but played dumb just so he could force Eggers to admit it. *with the latest comic, could we think that he cried out in the triumph of his own trick on Renard?
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Jun 24, 2013 18:03
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Perhaps he intended to teach Reynardine a lesson, but didn't expect Annie coming into the picture. But Coyote always has a new plan!
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Jun 24, 2013 18:23
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I think it's pretty safe to assume that Coyote is not going to require motivation beyond "I wanted to see what would happen" or "it was bound to be hilarious!". Sure he might have multiple irons in the fire but sometimes a trickster just wants to trick a guy.
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Jun 24, 2013 18:51
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Mazerunner posted:It wouldn't surprise me if Renard took on the moniker/persona of Renardine the demon to distance himself from his actions. People seem to use whichever name best suits the nature/timeframe of their relationship with him. I.e. Anja, Donald, Eggers, etc. use Renardine because they knew him best as the body-stealing demon, whereas Coyote knew him before that and uses Renards. Annie shifts from his introduction as Renardine the demon to Renard her friend. That's my guess at least? My interpretation is that he wanted Renard to (ab)use the power he granted him, but did not forsee Renard becoming captured by the Court. The plan originally was probably for Renard to cause havoc and heartbreak at the Court (while keeping Coyote's paws clean of any direct involvement), which will also successfully alienate Renard from Surma, who we know was trying to seduce Renard on behalf of the Court. Therefore, Renard learns an important lesson about those horrible humans, Coyote gets to ride roughshod over whatever prior agreement he has with the Court, break the balance of power and get to have fun. What went wrong was that the Court was substantially stronger than he had figured. While Renard damaged the Court greviously (especially resulting in the loss of the Court's dragon), the court managed to contain and capture Renard, and by extension the power that Coyote granted him. This was what made Coyote 'cry', because the end result is that the Court took one of his toys away.
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Jun 24, 2013 19:07
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Jon Joe posted:I guess Jones doesn't count lies by omission, because "you cannot be sure that will happen" is 100% true minus the fact he didn't add "but I am 100% sure it will!" The term is "equivocation." A statement that is technically true, but is intended to mislead by omission and/or interpretation.
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Jun 24, 2013 19:54
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Fangz posted:This was what made Coyote 'cry', because the end result is that the Court took one of his toys away.
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Jun 24, 2013 20:09
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RabidWeasel posted:I think it's pretty safe to assume that Coyote is not going to require motivation beyond "I wanted to see what would happen" or "it was bound to be hilarious!". Sure he might have multiple irons in the fire but sometimes a trickster just wants to trick a guy. Not just tricking a guy but tricking another trickster! What could be better!? Fangz posted:While Renard damaged the Court greviously (especially resulting in the loss of the Court's dragon), the court managed to contain and capture Renard, and by extension the power that Coyote granted him. You best watch your words if you feel particularly attached to your limbs. 
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Jun 24, 2013 21:14
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e: Awful app being awful.
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Jun 24, 2013 21:14
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I just re-read The Fangs of Summertime starting from that linked page (it is a law of the universe to re-read linked chapters, it seems), and noticed this line that Coyote whispers to Annie when he invites her to the Forest: "You cannot trust the people of this place. Come visit me in my forest where we may talk. No harm will come to you, I swear it." I initially thought "You cannot trust the people of this place" was a warning, but it was actually an observation. Annie couldn't bring herself to trust people at the Court (or anyone, really, even with Kat she kept parts of herself hidden), and Coyote noticed. It is super obvious, but I didn't catch it the first time or in any previous re-read, so it's a nice detail. I love how this comic keeps showing more new details every time you read it. That takes some crazy planning.
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Jun 24, 2013 23:46
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Coyote never lies but he has no problem letting you come to your own conclusion, pretty classic trickster stuff.
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Jun 24, 2013 23:48
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If you laugh hard enough, you start to cry. I think this is probably why Coyote cried when he heard about Renard getting captured.
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Jun 24, 2013 23:56
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Rasamune posted:
poo poo, I still have the two copies I bought for goons in the thread, sorry guys. End my your addresses and I'll get them shipped tomorrow or Wednesday.
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Jun 25, 2013 01:14
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ANNIE IN THE FOREST PART ONE IS NOW
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Jun 25, 2013 01:50
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It's totally impossible to read just one strip, isn't it? Today's binge taught me that, for whatever reason, Coyote never mentions Annie by her real name (although he tries twice).
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Jun 25, 2013 03:10
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I don't think Reynard being captured was part if Coyote's plan. He probably wanted him to go to the Court, and for him to use the power given to him. Becoming alienated from humanity may have been part of the plan as well. As for crying, Coyote's mood is hardly stable. I can picture poor Ysengrin trying to cope with a suddenly distraught Coyote hanging on his shoulder. Until a new thought crosses Coyote's mind, of course.
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Jun 25, 2013 04:50
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And naturally, Coyote lied to Annie about this. Trying to drive a wedge between her and Renard? Lucky for Annie, she has Kat to set her straight.
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Hexlotl posted:And naturally, Coyote lied to Annie about this. Trying to drive a wedge between her and Renard? Lucky for Annie, she has Kat to set her straight. Except he never lied. It's a bit roundabout, but nothing he said can be proven false.
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Kennel posted:It's totally impossible to read just one strip, isn't it? Today's binge taught me that, for whatever reason, Coyote never mentions Annie by her real name (although he tries twice). I've wondered about that. He calls Surma (at least when talking about her), Ysengrin and Renard by name, but everyone else is just nicknames. Also, more deception! He never said that Annie would learn to control her inner feelings by staying in the forest. No wonder she came back wilder. Now I have to go and re-read the entire comic and wonder just how much Coyote messed with everyone all the time. 
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isasphere posted:Now I have to go and re-read the entire comic and wonder just how much Coyote messed with everyone all the time. The answer is always "the largest amount he can".
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Fatkraken posted:poo poo, I still have the two copies I bought for goons in the thread, sorry guys. Oooh, was one of those for me? <hopeful eyelash flutter> Did you try emailing me? Gmail can be such a buttock about nuking random emails as 'spam' that I get antsy. If I was one of the goons you were thinking of could you let me know your email so's I can either add you to my whitelist or message you or something  (crosses fingers and hopes she hasn't just made a complete prat of herself) (I should really just cough up for PMs sometime, shouldn't I?)
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Jun 25, 2013 09:15
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Ok, how many definitive statements has Coyote made? I can think of one, so far. 1. I DO NOT EXIST!
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Jun 25, 2013 10:41
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isasphere posted:Also, more deception! He never said that Annie would learn to control her inner feelings by staying in the forest. No wonder she came back wilder. It bugs me how he says "it is agreed by I".
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Hmm, just reading on from that point: - This is the curse of man! He is forever deceived by his mind! It causes him to not see a stone when it is just a stone. That last bit is interesting considering what Jones latter says about herself. Actually, one of the things Coyote lists as humans seeing instead is "the shape of a woman."
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Jun 25, 2013 11:14
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Coyote is just one big ball of id. He doesn't care about stirring up hornets nests because angry hornets are interesting and he's immortal. When you don't actually care about judging the outcome of an action and just appreciate action in of itself you can do any number of terrible things and have a great time. I can't ever really blame him for how he treats people but I'm never really sure if I actually like him. FriggenJ fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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LooseLeafTea posted:Oooh, was one of those for me? <hopeful eyelash flutter> Did you try emailing me? Gmail can be such a buttock about nuking random emails as 'spam' that I get antsy. If I was one of the goons you were thinking of could you let me know your email so's I can either add you to my whitelist or message you or something It was indeed! My email is (will redact after you confirm you've seen this), I just need your address, I'll poke you for payment over emailthe other goon was Tuxedo Ted, but they have PMs Fatkraken fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Fatkraken posted:It was indeed! Woohoo!  Email noted and sent
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Re-reading the comic for the billionth time, and it's the fist time I noticed Jeanne making a comment about Parley's kick in this comic http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=779p ... but I can't quite make out the last word... looks like fille? Just looked it up... fille - noun - a young woman. Thanks Tom! You entertain *and* educate!
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Yo, Tea-San. Being now (finally) the proud owner of some walls, I would like to obtain lovely art to hang upon them. I'm specifically interested in a Coyote print of this sort of nature: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdc5mzCinP1qhu04go6_1280.jpg - are you likely to be selling such things any time soon? If not, what's your take on commissions? I don't have PMs, but if you need to contact me privately drop me a line iamthespaceinvader at gmail dot com Keep being awesome and such.
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bouncyman posted:Re-reading the comic for the billionth time, and it's the fist time I noticed Jeanne making a comment about Parley's kick in this comic http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=779p ... but I can't quite make out the last word... looks like fille? It's the french word for girl, yes. I never even notice Jeanne spoke on this panel.
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Jun 25, 2013 23:47
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Hetty is such a dick.
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actually hetty owns
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Heh, well that's it for the reminiscing I guess. Thanks for keeping us on track Hetty!
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Laser Cow posted:Hetty is such a dick. AntimatterSpork posted:actually hetty owns Both true.
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Jun 26, 2013 08:21
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Hettie's been there, done that, got the possessed toy body.
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Renard you're lookin' pretty darn creepy there buddy. Actually, check out those nails. He's looking downright terrifying. Same with the dudes from the Court. I've always liked how there's bits where Tom depicts people from the Court, like Anja and Donald in the central panel thing in this one: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=106 they're like big, scary, terrifying things that want to EAT YOU or something. Even though we know they're great people. To Renard right then, and to other people at other times, they are probably terrifying. Like it must be similar in some ways to how little micey dudes see the scientist dudes looming over them when they are gettin studied or whatever.
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