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Well at least we're not talking about "processing" them in an offshore private detention centre run by SNC-Lavalin. Yet.
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I'm not a fan of any immigration.
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Jun 27, 2013 23:28
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Thanks for letting us know Baloogan, that is really helpful information. We'll all be sure to take that into account from now on.
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Baloogan posted:I'm not a fan of any immigration. I am a fan of all immigration.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:I am a fan of all immigration. I support anything that will keep Harper's Strong Stable Conservative Majority Government. Huzzah.
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Jun 27, 2013 23:55
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I'm not a fan of migration. Traitors, get back here! 
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Jun 27, 2013 23:59
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I'd love it if somehow all the smart hardworking immigrants came to Vancouver instead of the spoiled rich kids and extended family members/indentured cranberry pickers.
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Jun 28, 2013 00:02
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'm not a fan of migration. Does that mean the the most patriotic geese are the ones that just sit around golf courses year-round?
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Jun 28, 2013 00:28
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'm not a fan of migration.  If you're a fan of migration *and* immigration, is that like the fantasy mode in sports games where you reset the rosters and have a league wide draft? Would that be like doing that to the population every five years? Because that would be awesome.
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Jun 28, 2013 00:35
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John Rawls would be very on board.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Jun 28, 2013 01:05
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Cultural Imperial posted:I'd love it if somehow all the smart hardworking immigrants came to Vancouver instead of the spoiled rich kids and extended family members/indentured cranberry pickers. Yeah but the latter simulates the economy and keeps the proletariats out.
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Jun 28, 2013 01:16
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I'm in favour of geographic emigration (we are working on making quebec sail into the sea and wedge itself onto the coast of france)
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Jun 28, 2013 01:17
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Europe already has its own Canada, its called Denmark. Plus some of us aren't too keen on rushing into the arms of the Eurofailures.
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Cultural Imperial posted:extended family members/indentured cranberry pickers. This is so true it hurts. I drive the East/West Connector every day and there are literally busloads of people doing manual labor in the fields on Lulu Island. Blueberry harvesting has been automated for years especially for the low-bush variety. How do they do it here? Dozens and dozens of elderly people.
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'Course the blueberries aren't as fine as they were back in the day. Leapt right off the bushes into your hand. Blueberry was a handfruit then o course.
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Jun 28, 2013 03:31
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But you still couldn't get any, on account of the war.
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THC posted:Well at least we're not talking about "processing" them in an offshore private detention centre run by SNC-Lavalin. Yet. I live in a Calgary neighbourhood that got pretty badly hammered and I keep seeing SNC-Lavalin trucks running up and down the street. On the one hand I'm glad that they're here because more people helping is always better, but on the other hand I feel tempted to set them on fire.
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PittTheElder posted:But you still couldn't get any, on account of the war. We had to make due. Me and my pappy, we used juniper berries instead. Probably why I drink so much gin. That and my alcohol problem.
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Oh good, that way we can be totally on our own when an earthquake finally takes us all into its watery maw. This is BC though, so I have to assume that they are more than just half-baked 
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I've always felt weird about the criteria by which immigration policy decides who to favor in terms of applicants. There's explicit favoritism for people with money, useful skills and education who won't put additional strain on existing infrastructure - in essence, we look for immigrants with something to offer economically, which feels like the worst and coldest motivation. I suppose this isn't really referring to work visas, more general immigration. Immigration could be organized as a big queue, for maximum fairness. It could be ordered by need, accepting people with the worst prospects in their own country (people with medical needs their country can't meet, people in crushing poverty or famine). It could even be ordered by chance, selecting applicants from the pool effectively at random whenever more immigration is called for so that everyone can have a shot. Maybe none of these are feasible or desirable, but does that mean our current system is? Some immigration rules like allowing family members in or excluding people who are security risks can make sense on their own, but the question of overall policy... I feel like it's the sort of thing we don't think about enough. Or hey, maybe [I]I[/] just don't think about it enough and everyone's already got really well-formed opinions on immigration.
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Dolash posted:people with medical needs their country can't meet How the hell can Canada be the world's hospital?
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Baloogan posted:How the hell can Canada be the world's hospital? Maybe we could actually take universal healthcare seriously and stop selfishingly using healthcare expenditure as a criterion for expelling potential immigrants? I mean, it's just a suggestion. I'm not saying we should accept everyone with a health problem, but couldn't we use triage procedures to look at developing a procedure that we can use for the idea of medical refugees?
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Jun 28, 2013 05:52
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Triage is not a useful tool for immigration.
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Dolash posted:I've always felt weird about the criteria by which immigration policy decides who to favor in terms of applicants. There's explicit favoritism for people with money, useful skills and education who won't put additional strain on existing infrastructure - in essence, we look for immigrants with something to offer economically, which feels like the worst and coldest motivation. I suppose this isn't really referring to work visas, more general immigration. Yeah, I always thought it made really good fridge logic. Selecting only immigrants who already have skills Canada needs makes tons of sense as long as you're not really thinking about it. The moment you do, you realize how cold and calculatingly bad it is. Which is almost certainly intentional, since the guys at the top have likely always agreed with Baloogan. Baloogan posted:How the hell can Canada be the world's hospital? Because I would be loving amazed if healthcare for immigrants and refugees came anywhere close to the cost of Canadians born in country. We really could afford it. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jun 28, 2013 |
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Jun 28, 2013 05:59
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I'm glad non of you idiots are in charge of our immigration policy. (no offence admin)
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Baloogan posted:I'm glad non of you idiots are in charge of our immigration policy. (no offence admin)  Nobody tell him it's also the Government's policy to encourage immigration (at least out of one side of their mouths).
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Jun 28, 2013 06:03
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Gotta keep the 'wrong people' out, right Baloogan?
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Stoven posted:What if we elect parliament by FPTP and senate by PR then they can duke it out on the hill. This is exactly what Australia does, although our Lower House is elected by preferential ballot, not FPTP. It works decently well, it allows for a limit on the mandate of the Lower House to pass legislation in cases where the country is truly divided. Of course in our case the Senate can only block legislation three times before it could potentially trigger dissolution of both Houses and a whole new election. I am actually straight-up boggling at the idea that somebody could support the concept of a whole chamber of unelected lords having real legislative power in the year of our Lord two thousand and thirteen. Why not just hand it back to the monarchy and be done with it?
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JawKnee posted:Gotta keep the 'wrong people' out, right Baloogan? Gotta keep everyone out.
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Baronjutter posted:I'd unironically love a FREE VANCOUVER ISLAND. We have the best flag. Does the staff represent Victoria being the only place in BC where you can actually find a GP taking patients? By the way: quote:Christy Clark hasn’t stopped beaming since last month’s unexpected election victory, when the only downside was the loss of her own seat in the Legislative Assembly. British Columbians bought into her core message, that a B.C. Liberal government would return surplus budgets to the province, ending years of deficit spending. Starting immediately. You can't imagine how shocked I am about this. MikeSevigny fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jun 28, 2013 |
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Is that a problem outside of Victoria? I always shop around for doctors, if I don't like mine after a year or so I just go looking at reviews for others.
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Baronjutter posted:Is that a problem outside of Victoria? I always shop around for doctors, if I don't like mine after a year or so I just go looking at reviews for others. I've never been able to find a GP anywhere I've lived outside of Victoria, except for back home where I had my doctor from when I was a kid. I was going to clinics if I needed anything. I think Victorians have it pretty good in that respect.
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Baloogan posted:Gotta keep everyone out. Just cut to the chase and say something odious about Muslims again so we can kick you of the thread for awhile longer.
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If we're going to become the world's hospital, might as well go whole hog and just start the socialist revolution.
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FYI, triage is when you give help to those most likely to survive, and let those with serious conditions die... Probably not what you meant in terms of a medical immigration scheme
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Baloogan posted:Gotta keep everyone out. If you are not aboriginal, shut-up, sir. If there were people like you back in the 1800s, my ancestors would have died in a potato famine.
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Republican Vampire posted:Maybe we could actually take universal healthcare seriously and stop selfishingly using healthcare expenditure as a criterion for expelling potential immigrants? I mean, it's just a suggestion. It would honestly be hilarious (alternately: depressing) to hear a politician/commentator with a platform advocate for this. There would be bulging eyes, throbbing veins, and  's as far as the eye can see.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:If there were people like you back in the 1800s, my ancestors would have died in a potato famine. There were people like that, though. A fair amount of people didn't want the Irish coming to our good country and loving it up, and it was overt racism and bigotry. Nowadays, people are a little more subtle about that aspect of it.
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