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Is there a reason for the networks to keep churning out CGI shows? Is traditional animation too expensive or what?
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Jun 30, 2013 19:32
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Quality CGI, much like quality traditional animation, takes time and money. Beware the Batman definitely looks like it's being made on the cheap; the backgrounds in particular look like they'd be at home in an early PS2 game. That sort of effort put into 2d animation would also look ugly as sin.
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Jun 30, 2013 19:43
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is there a reason for the networks to keep churning out CGI shows? Is traditional animation too expensive or what? Traditional animation CAN be expensive compared to CG, but CG can easily be expensive as well. I think CG is easier to cheap out on. Note, I am not talking about bottom of the barrel animation on either side.
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Jun 30, 2013 19:45
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From what I've heard at WBA, CGI animation is actually significantly more expensive than traditional animation. When the Green Lantern series got canceled, a staff member (Giancarlo Volpe I think?) said that the animation for the show was twice as expensive as Young Justice's despite looking way worse. I don't think the new Batman show will last very long for the same reason. It looks like WB took a really big gamble on this CG stuff and it failed big-time.
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Jun 30, 2013 20:40
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HorseRenoir posted:From what I've heard at WBA, CGI animation is actually significantly more expensive than traditional animation. When the Green Lantern series got canceled, a staff member (Giancarlo Volpe I think?) said that the animation for the show was twice as expensive as Young Justice's despite looking way worse. I don't think the new Batman show will last very long for the same reason. It looks like WB took a really big gamble on this CG stuff and it failed big-time. Then it doesn't even make sense then. How do you spend more money and end up with something worse looking? Also I don't really get why GL would cost more. I mean I see how CG CAN be expensive, if you were Pixar or Dreamworks, but there wasn't really much that was special about GL, especially compared to Clone Wars. I'm wondering if the price of CG is unnaturally inflated due to a lack of resources for rendering? Perhaps if there were more render farms around the price would be more reasonable? I don't see how a CG should would require more people, so it can't be that, unless CG animation staffs just plain get paid more for whatever reason.
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Jun 30, 2013 20:45
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ToastyPotato posted:Then it doesn't even make sense then. How do you spend more money and end up with something worse looking? Also I don't really get why GL would cost more. I mean I see how CG CAN be expensive, if you were Pixar or Dreamworks, but there wasn't really much that was special about GL, especially compared to Clone Wars. I heard that the biggest problem with the CG was that, unlike traditional animation where everything can just be drawn in, new characters, backgrounds, and objects had to be individually built and rendered. They probably didn't have a big enough budget to render CG in comparison to Dreamworks' and Lucasfilm's television departments. CG is in a weird spot right now where it's cheaper and more efficient than traditional for big-budget projects like films, but it's the exact opposite for projects with smaller resources like television shows.
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Jun 30, 2013 20:53
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Aye, I think it's more about trying to capitalise on perceived trends than costs. 3D animation is dominating the cinema and they're trying to ape that trend, but it doesn't seem to fit the TV economic model anywhere near as well. Either that or they all used to be massive ReBoot fans.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:52
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WordMercenary posted:Aye, I think it's more about trying to capitalise on perceived trends than costs. 3D animation is dominating the cinema and they're trying to ape that trend, but it doesn't seem to fit the TV economic model anywhere near as well. The difference is Reboot actually looked pretty good for its time.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:32
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ReBoot also had the excuse of being set IN a computer, so the fact that everything LOOKED computer generated and odd was perfect for the story. Why does Batman look like someone mashed together BTAS and The Batman's designs and tried to make a 3D model out of it? Because the design is horrible. Why does Bob have weird silver dreadlocks and purple skin and look weird? Because he's in and from a computer! Stuff like making robots and computer stuff in CG tends to work because the animation style serves the designs.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:03
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Even weirder is that the series is headed by Glenn Murakami, who is really good at traditional animation-- he storyboarded some of BTAS's best scenes in some of its best episodes.
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Jul 1, 2013 00:14
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Hazo posted:Even weirder is that the series is headed by Glenn Murakami, who is really good at traditional animation-- he storyboarded some of BTAS's best scenes in some of its best episodes. Nothing weird about it, yeah CGI costs more because somebody has to model every rock and building front but the current "wisdom" of Hollywood is that traditional animation is dead or dying and kids will only want to watch CGI now because the marketing department said so.
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Jul 1, 2013 03:49
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SirDan3k posted:Nothing weird about it, yeah CGI costs more because somebody has to model every rock and building front but the current "wisdom" of Hollywood is that traditional animation is dead or dying and kids will only want to watch CGI now because the marketing department said so. 
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Jul 1, 2013 04:48
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achillesforever6 posted:I thought "The Princess and The Frog" was going to change that and bring back a new golden age of 2D animation in cinema, but then Avatar happened
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Jul 1, 2013 13:45
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achillesforever6 posted:I thought "The Princess and The Frog" was going to change that and bring back a new golden age of 2D animation in cinema, but then Avatar happened I liked The Princess and the Frog, but it was trying to revive something that I don't think is coming back. We're probably not going to have a revival of what Disney was at the end of the 20th century. There is still good stuff out there.
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Jul 1, 2013 13:46
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SirDan3k posted:Nothing weird about it, yeah CGI costs more because somebody has to model every rock and building front but the current "wisdom" of Hollywood is that traditional animation is dead or dying and kids will only want to watch CGI now because the marketing department said so. On the flip side CGI is really great when you need to reuse a model again and again such as in the Starship Troopers TV show. On the commentaries one of the producers started talking about how they could only introduce a new bug every story arch (roughly 5 episodes) but once it was introduce/model the show could use it as many times as they wanted.
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Jul 1, 2013 18:24
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Well the Beware the Batman intro has come out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4iXANrrTk8
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Jul 2, 2013 23:55
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well the Beware the Batman intro has come out. That has so much more style than the clips we've seen, although Batman's design still looks dumb
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Jul 3, 2013 00:05
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Zeeman posted:That has so much more style than the clips we've seen, although Batman's design still looks dumb It's not really anything we haven't seen before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ-GAxE6RD4 I mean, gently caress, they almost look exactly the same but Justice League was done in loving 2001!
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Jul 3, 2013 00:20
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well the Beware the Batman intro has come out. That's actually pretty a pretty fun song and some pretty cool imagery. Raises my interest a little.
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Jul 3, 2013 01:03
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Codependent Poster posted:It's not really anything we haven't seen before. Are you blind? It is kind of the same style but the Batman one looks MILES better.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:07
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Senor Candle posted:Are you blind? It is kind of the same style but the Batman one looks MILES better.
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Jul 3, 2013 17:18
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Avengers Assemble premieres tomorrow morning at 11AM on Disney XD for those of you who want to actually care to watch it. I thought Agents of SMASH was premiering then too, but it's actually coming around August 11th.
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Jul 7, 2013 01:34
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It seems like Deadpool will be making an appearance on USM tomorrow as well? Along with what seems like a redesigned Taskmaster, who is halfway between his Udon design and his classic one.
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Jul 7, 2013 01:47
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Timeless Appeal posted:I liked The Princess and the Frog, but it was trying to revive something that I don't think is coming back. We're probably not going to have a revival of what Disney was at the end of the 20th century. There is still good stuff out there. I don't think there is a problem with a CGI superhero cartoon, hell Green Lantern TAS is now one of my favorite superhero cartoons of all time. It just took a time to get used to.
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Jul 7, 2013 02:24
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Please tell me I'm not the only person who was dumb enough to sit through that whole episode of Deadpool in Ultimate Spider-Man.
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Jul 7, 2013 17:15
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Sex_Ferguson posted:Please tell me I'm not the only person who was dumb enough to sit through that whole episode of Deadpool in Ultimate Spider-Man. It was loving weird. USM has a ton of questionable meta stuff going on to begin with, and they used Deadpool to leverage that in some ways that could have been kind of interesting, but because it's USM all of the jokes were hideously overwritten and painfully unfunny so any potential spark of inspiration there was pretty well drowned out. In theory I actually kind of like Will Friedle as Deadpool, and if they had toned him down two or three or four notches it probably could have worked, but they basically had him doing the Ron Stoppable panicky screaming comic relief voice 100% of the time and it was incredibly grating. Also I still can't get over the fact that teenaged Iron Fist and Luke Cage are on Spider-Man's S.H.I.E.L.D. Jr. squad. I mean, what? e: vvvv yes this is true Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 7, 2013 |
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Jul 7, 2013 17:27
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Sex_Ferguson posted:Please tell me I'm not the only person who was dumb enough to sit through that whole episode of Deadpool in Ultimate Spider-Man. Sorry, but you're pretty dumb if you sit through any episode of Ultimate Spider-Man. 
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Jul 7, 2013 17:51
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My hopes for Deadpool to be represented well in any way in other media overcame my rationality... I will make sure that never happens again (It will happen again).
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Jul 7, 2013 18:03
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Sex_Ferguson posted:My hopes for Deadpool to be represented well in any way in other media overcame my rationality... I will make sure that never happens again (It will happen again). 
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Jul 7, 2013 19:29
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achillesforever6 posted:We were probably close with Wolverine and the X-Men Season 2, but then that got canceled Wolverine vs Hulk is perfectly good Deadpool and is also bonus Wolverine and the X-Men.
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Jul 7, 2013 20:28
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I should've said television actually as Deadpool has been represented very well except for USM and the DP game.
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Jul 7, 2013 22:56
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Is his game bad?
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Jul 8, 2013 05:47
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ToastyPotato posted:Is his game bad? I've heard it's very mediocre.
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Jul 8, 2013 05:56
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Just like him 
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Jul 8, 2013 07:08
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Yeah, that was really embarrassing to watch. High pitched, loud stupidity.
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Jul 8, 2013 22:23
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PicklePants posted:Yeah, that was really embarrassing to watch. High pitched, loud stupidity.
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Jul 8, 2013 23:45
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ToastyPotato posted:Is his game bad? I had a blast watching my buddy play it for a few hours but then I'm easily pleased.
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Jul 8, 2013 23:49
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achillesforever6 posted:Which is sad because Will Friedle is usually a much better voice actor than that. Sometimes even good voice actors get REALLY terrible voice acting directions. It's not their fault, they're just doing what they need to to get paid. I'll throw Brent Spiner in with this as Joker, he was really good as Puck in Gargoyles.
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Jul 8, 2013 23:59
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Some reviews of the first Beware the Batman episode are up. They seem to be pretty positive.
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Jul 9, 2013 03:50
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The third episode of AVENGERS ASSEMBLE has Iron Man take something from Falcon and play keep-away until he literally says "Give it back!" like a sad little six-year-old. It turns out that his mother made cookies, and then the whole team fights over who gets to have cookies. I kind of stopped watching at that point because weirdly enough I was hoping to see superheroics of some sort, rather than a loving playground squabble between grown adults. I gave Avengers Assemble three chances to not be terrible, and it blew every single one of them.
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Jul 9, 2013 13:53
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