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sanchez posted:Both the steering change from hydraulic to electric and the switch from 6cyl to 4cyl in the 328 feel like concessions for fuel economy, rather than a change that was made to actually improve the car. Same thing with the low resistance tires. It's a shame really. You're getting more fuel economy out of changing how the steering works?
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Tab8715 posted:You're getting more fuel economy out of changing how the steering works? Yep, the reduced drag on the engine as there is no belt driven pump anymore adds something. Not a lot, but the manufacturers seem to be willing to do anything for .5 MPG.
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sanchez posted:Yep, the reduced drag on the engine as there is no belt driven pump anymore adds something. Not a lot, but the manufacturers seem to be willing to do anything for .5 MPG. Also don't forget to turn on the rear end
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Newer Xi versions still have the hydraulic steering. I have the electronic steering in my F10 535 and it's vague as hell (especially when going right from my E46) and the sport mode tightening of it feels fake - but I think they are adjusting the software a bit on 2014+. BMW was clearly trying to soften up a lot of their non-M cars (to grab MBZ, Audi, Lexus buyers) but they'll add more options to try to get these newer cars back into the sportier category (or just add aftermarket poo poo to them yourself). The thing is more and more potential buyers just do 3 yr turn and burn leases on them and are badge whores and not sport oriented.
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I feel kind of dirty about it, but I think I like the GLK styling more than the X3:  The X3 looks too soft and last-gen-CRVish. I love how MB took the boxy lines of that giant gently caress off thing they make (G class) and made it shorter.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Newer Xi versions still have the hydraulic steering. I have the electronic Keyser S0ze posted:Newer Xi versions still have the hydraulic steering. I have the electronic steering in my F10 535 and it's vague as hell (especially when going right from my E46) and the sport mode tightening of it feels fake - but I think they are adjusting the software a bit on 2014+. Do the "M" Sport Packages make any noticeable difference in this reguard? Excluding the Sport Seats.
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Tab8715 posted:Do the "M" Sport Packages make any noticeable difference....? Nope....and no sport seats anymore either for F10 unless you do seat package upgrades. Every line (F10/F30) is different and lot of stuff changed for 2013/2014 so it will depend. The M sport cars are embarrassingly badged with M logos everywhere (including door sills) and has been sort of neutered into an appearance package (for the MBZ/Audi perps probably). There are some small suspension upgrades for M Sport 2013 in terms of thicker sways different struts apparently but it's not clear if that carried over into 2014+ The better front and rear fascia/black headliner/black trim/better RIMZ was worth $3k for my 2013 M sport though IMO.
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Jealous Cow posted:I feel kind of dirty about it, but I think I like the GLK styling more than the X3: I think the new 2011+ X3 looks good in M sport edition (especially the side/rear), but I can't stand how they did the USA headlights with that dumb orange bit that you don't get with Euro versions although people here are spending some $ and replacing them.   
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Jul 3, 2013 19:23
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The orange reflectors are a DOT requirement... but I agree, it should be done differently.
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BlackMK4 posted:The orange reflectors are a DOT requirement... but I agree, it should be done differently. Really? The LCI E90s no longer have the orange bits that the pre-LCI have. I'm actually pretty surprised they didn't update the X3 to match.
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All the BMW X-cars are ugly as poo poo. It's kind of the point, is it not? I mean I class them in the same category as minivans. If you cared about looks you wouldn't buy it in the first place.
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I dunno. I drove the X5 with the 4.4 M62 and it felt good.
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revmoo posted:All the BMW X-cars are ugly as poo poo. It's kind of the point, is it not? I mean I class them in the same category as minivans. If you cared about looks you wouldn't buy it in the first place. Compared to what "good looking" SUV in the same size though? I think there are definitely uglier SUV's out there and at least these BMW versions will out handle/out brake most of them. It's only really that "L" shaped orange bit on the X3 that is offensive - but again easily replaced by oem euro headlights. BlackMK4 posted:The orange reflectors are a DOT requirement... but I agree, it should be done differently. Yep, on the E46 we could just hope the orange bulbs in the euro turn signals fooled people after you removed the bumper reflectors.  ...and on the newer cars you just remove the reflector and replace with painted version and take your chances. The turn signal LED's are orange and always on (unless you code them off) so it always looks orangish up there. Some lawyers on bimmerfest are pretty adamant though, that in some horrible crash scenario you could get your rear end handed to you when some inspector noticed.  
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Keyser S0ze posted:Compared to what "good looking" SUV in the same size though? Well that's tough to answer. It's like asking what is the best looking minivan. These cars just can't look good. It's simply a flawed setup. This applies to any suv/minivan. Compared to a Merc or a Tahoe/Denali, I'd choose the GM. If I'm going to spend more than 35k it better drive amazing. I drove an X5d. It was comfortable, powerful enough, handled fine, but still just another SUV. I'm not complaining that they make them, I just wouldn't compare them to a car.
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I'm pretty sure Toyota has the least horrible looking minivan. I hear what you're saying but - hell, NEW Tahoe's are nearly $50k now loaded, Denali's more and Escalades even more. They are also way bigger and heavier than any BMW X and the people that buy them just want something loud and rednecky and could care less that you have to drop an anchor to get them to stop. I doubt they are cross shopping. I think X5's are for buyers that would consider a 3/5 series also want a bit of utility but still want a BMW and hell, most women want high sitting vehicles now and it's nearly impossible to talk them out of getting them.  I had a 2002 Tahoe that ran like a champ, loved that big ugly smelly bastard. It handled like poo poo, braked like poo poo, was slow, rattles everywhere, had a fugly interior but I could stuff a ton of poo poo into it and it never complained or broke down so there's that. It was a perfect compliment to my E46. Now, personally I thought about it pretty hard last summer when I orderd my 535 but I couldn't personally buy a BMW X for that very reason - as when I have a truck I use it like a dirty pig and would feel horrible dragging some brand new X5 up on some sketchy filthy trail. I do stuff bags of dirt, tiles, thinset and have thrown cut down pieces of backer board and drywall in my 535 though. 
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Captain Postal posted:You Americans should have a look here if you want a good laugh $100K for a used Chevy Silverado 
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Das Volk posted:$100K for a used Chevy Silverado I don't understand what is happening here on that website what is going on.
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omgitstheinternet posted:Go for the coupe. I just test drove one today (which if it's still available next week after my Lotus is gone may be mine!) and it's just such a sexy beast. I will miss having a roof that disappears but the added stiffness, lower weight (I'm assuming), and overall sportier look will make up for that I'm sure.
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Jealous Cow posted:I don't understand what is happening here on that website what is going on. it ends in a ".au", so everything is way overpriced. Except that nothing else is cheaper. It makes aus-goons sad goons edit: I mean, yeah, the things that were made LHD only had to be imported (expensive), converted (very expensive) and tested (expensive), so they cost a bomb. But the ones that are RHD are just plain rip-off and price gouging from the manufacturers. Captain Postal fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 4, 2013 |
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Yeah but Oz gets stuff like this  I think it evens out somewhat
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Yeah but Oz gets stuff like this Do you really want to start this? You chaps over the pacific can buy same mileage e60 550i's or 60k mi e60 M5's for about the same price. Tell me with a straight face that the XR6 is a better car than an M5  Sorry mate, but  crying poor to  on cars is just not on.I'll grant you that our utes are miles ahead of F100/F150/F-anything. Now those are true pieces of poo poo. Captain Postal fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jul 4, 2013 |
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:I've pretty much narrowed my search to the Z4 M Coupe in Blue or Red. The coupe weighs slightly less than the ragtop but it's not a huge difference. The chassis stiffness is a big step up in the coupe, however. Good luck in your hunt. Today I drove a silver/black 07 M Coupe, 54k miles, one owner with service records, not a scratch or ding that I could find, literally looked and drove like a brand new car. I'm praying nobody buys it before I sell my lotus on Monday. Even though I love the coupe and wouldn't buy anything else, my targa top lotus driving self is begging me to buy a roadster. I guess since I have a few days before I can actually buy something I'll try to take a Z4 M Roadster on a hard test drive and see if it piques my fancy. Good luck on your search as well. Where are you located? I'm spending about half my day searching the whole country for a worthy coupe and if I see something that's local to you I can send a link your way. omgitstheinternet fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Jul 4, 2013 |
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Captain Postal posted:I'll grant you that our utes are miles ahead of F100/F150/F-anything. Now those are true pieces of poo poo. They aren't even close enough to compare as they are for totally different things. You aren't pulling a 10,000 lb goose neck trailer with an XR6. It also won't fit a full sheet of plywood or drywall in the bed. Does that make the XR6 a "true piece of poo poo."?
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Not that I'm going to buy this car  but is this a good price? http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3912309134.htmlIs the ZHP package just an appearance/interior thing only?
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Not that I'm going to buy this car If its not rusty that's a good price. ZHP has the following performance things: -cams that give an extra 10hp, red line of 6800 -aluminum front control arms (probably worn out now) -uniquely valved shocks (probably worn out now) -shorter shift lever -shorter rear diff (still no LSD) They don't demand the premium they used to but I would still pay slightly extra over a 330 sport. One with the full alcantara interior and steering wheel in good shape is a great thing.
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Crustashio posted:If its not rusty that's a good price. The 2004 being the peak of the ZHP offering as the Alcantera (or fake?) wasn't a great batch offering, as such in 2005+ it was no longer offered 
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e: ^^^^^^^ I love my '04, but I gladly ditched the alcantara wheel on mine for the 2005.5+ perf leather wheel. Mine was starting to peel pretty bad at the top. The ZHP is the consolation prize BMW threw the US for not making a 4 door E46 M3 (over 40% of the E36 M3s sold in the US were 4 door). It's similar to what you'd get if you bought most of the performance part catalog bits and stuck them on a sport package 330i, so not a huge difference over a regular ZSP, but they're nice if you want the 'sportiest' model E46 without having to pay the M-tax. They are a ton of fun to drive. e2: That's a pretty fair price for that one. I paid $10k even for my 2004, with 110k on the clock. For that mileage, and the steering wheel being in good condition, I'd jump on that; maybe talk him down a thousand if you can, but even the asking price looks reasonable. Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 4, 2013 |
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omgitstheinternet posted:Good luck on your search as well. Where are you located? I'm spending about half my day searching the whole country for a worthy coupe and if I see something that's local to you I can send a link your way. Feel free to send me a PM or w/e I'd appreciate any tips.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Nope....and no sport seats anymore either for F10 unless you do seat package upgrades. Every line (F10/F30) is different and lot of stuff changed for 2013/2014 so it will depend. Did something change? It seemed or there's a big demand for any bmwers with the "Sport Package" due to the seats on E46s. Was this the same for E90s and E82(US 1-Series Coupe)? I might buy a 1 next year and I'm curious if the package is just cosmetic. Gucci Loafers fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 4, 2013 |
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My M3 arrived in Seattle today after two weeks in transit from my move from NoVA. Happy day! It was damaged on the truck. Of course. Album of 10 shots. Since the car wasn't in anything like perfect shape before the move and you might not know what's new, here's a guide: 1 - Front bumper half ripped off, 2 - Passenger-side fog lamp ripped out and deposited in the passenger seat, 3 - Driver-side front wheel-well liner has been damaged and is hanging down and rubbing against the wheel, 4 - Two deep gouges to the front spoiler, 5 - Parking brake has been disabled or destroyed - the handbrake ratchets to full extension without resistance and parking brake does not function, the leather boot was detached when I got in it, and there is no record of what they did. blargh.
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How does that happen? How do you move someone's car, do that, and say "here you go."
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That sucks man. Who shipped it and what are you going to do?
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Tab8715 posted:Did something change? I looked at an E90 without the sports package and with, both with leather seats. The difference is that the sports package ones are shaped a bit differently, which translates into being more comfortable to sit in. But I wouldn't say it's a life-changing experience.
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televiper posted:My M3 arrived in Seattle today after two weeks in transit from my move from NoVA. Happy day!
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ibntumart posted:I looked at an E90 without the sports package and with, both with leather seats. The difference is that the sports package ones are shaped a bit differently, which translates into being more comfortable to sit in. But I wouldn't say it's a life-changing experience.
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I really want to get the BMW Performance seats for my M3. They're like $5k
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I'm not ready to name names yet on the Virginia side because I want to try to resolve this peacefully. I will say that the folks who handled the local Seattle delivery - Coast to Coast Auto Transport - have so far been good. I talked to the owner while the car was still on the truck, and he's going to try to help. The paperwork the C-2-C guy gave me is marked up in such a way that i can't even tell what the gently caress damage the person they received it from trying to list, but I can tell you for sure that the Customer's Signature on the Origin side is not my signature - I don't know if that is normal when there is a hand-off between shippers or if it indicates fraud. The relocation was covered by my new employeer, who sub-contracted it out to a vendor, who sub-sub'ed it to a relocation company, who sub-sub-sub'ed it to a car-shipping broker, who then hired these guys. So, while the whole relocation has been 12 shades of "way more complicated than it needed to be and at least twice as expensive", at least I've got plenty of people I can try to rope in to get it resolved.
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Jealous Cow posted:I really want to get the BMW Performance seats for my M3. Two sets for E92 for sale at the moment on the 'post  They are something that I plan to pickup myself, side airbag, heating, electric, the perfect combo of sport and practical until I fully go to track-only, haha.What's really interesting, is that image depicts the seats in a non-M (unless I'm mistaken.) That is just... odd.
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If my M3 came to me like that I would be seeing red. They'd have to shoot me. Did you check the odometer yet to see if there are any unexplained miles on the vehicle?
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Not that I'm going to buy this car You can find a thread on this car over on ZHPMafia claiming it's a salvage title, although perhaps a potential buyer just posted that to scare competitors. But at that price, probably true. Having looked at ZHP prices for a while, is KBB at all relevant for these? I think I have only seen cars with accidents asking KBB, and Edmunds is just a joke.
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