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mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

Is there any way to make the load times in this game not so freaking terrible? I'm running a fairly new system, but on some of these missions I'm spending more time staring at the load screen than actually doing the drat mission. Other than that I'm having a blast, glad I finally sat down and seriously played this.

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Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

That's odd. The load times are pretty dang snappy for me.

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
Yeah I have a SSD and I don't even notice them.

Gyshall fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jul 5, 2013

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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It's the game going through all of its blast processing.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Regarding Dark, I found this:

quote:

For a vampire, who seems to be able to take care of himself when it comes to punching enemies to death, Eric is surprisingly limited in how he can move around. You won’t be able to jump, or climb, or even hop over low walls. All Eric will be able to do is walk or crouch and, considering the large enemy-filled environments the game throws at you, this makes the action take on more linear paths than you would expect. Even the one power, Shadow Leap, which could help you get around is cumbersome to use and can’t be aimed over low walls while in a long piece of cover.

You will be able to upgrade Eric’s powers, with experience being awarded for kills and bonuses for not alerting any guards, so there is some designed incentive to staying hidden. Unfortunately, you’ll want to stay hidden because the gameplay falls apart when you go to face an enemy head to head. There is no melee combat system at work in Dark, you simply take out enemies with the same one hit kills you do when they are unaware of you. When enemies know you are there, this attack sometimes lands and sometimes doesn’t. You’ll simply have to hope you don’t absorb too man bullets before you can close the distance. If you do die, you’ll have to repeat large sections of the game as checkpoints are few and far between.

mania
Sep 9, 2004

mrfreeze posted:

Is there any way to make the load times in this game not so freaking terrible? I'm running a fairly new system, but on some of these missions I'm spending more time staring at the load screen than actually doing the drat mission. Other than that I'm having a blast, glad I finally sat down and seriously played this.

Do you have any character/texture replacement mods? I used to have character replacement mods, and the loading times went from a few seconds to close to a minute.

mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

mania posted:

Do you have any character/texture replacement mods? I used to have character replacement mods, and the loading times went from a few seconds to close to a minute.

I very well might. I installed the Clan Mod and think I did choose a couple of the texture mods. Is there any way to remove them short of doing a full clean reinstall, and if I were to do that would my save games be borked due to no longer having the texture stuff installed?

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund

mrfreeze posted:

I very well might. I installed the Clan Mod and think I did choose a couple of the texture mods. Is there any way to remove them short of doing a full clean reinstall, and if I were to do that would my save games be borked due to no longer having the texture stuff installed?

No and yes, respectively.

Deal with the wait if you don't want to start over.

mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

Yeah I'll have to just suck it up. Already to the sewers no way I'm starting from scratch yet again.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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Please godmode through the sewers for your sanity.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Unless this is your first time. Everyone must experience it pure once.

AbsoluteLlama
Aug 15, 2009

By the power vested in me by random musings in tmt... I proclaim you guilty of crustophilia!

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Unless this is your first time. Everyone must experience it pure once.

:suicide:

Every time I want to play this game again, the sewers are what make me not bother. I don't care if you can noclip through it. It's just loving awful.

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

AbsoluteLlama posted:

:suicide:

Every time I want to play this game again, the sewers are what make me not bother. I don't care if you can noclip through it. It's just loving awful.

Can't you just bypass them completely by going in the backdoor to the Noseferatu hideout in the graveyard? That's what I do, and it seems to work well enough for me.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
It's locked until you clear the sewers.

I hate them more than anything, but I feel you miss "the experience" if you don't do it at least once. The first time is the least worst. Also there are some GREAT Lovecraftian journal entries to be found down there.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Halloween Jack posted:

In my opinion, the Malk run is 25% awesome poo poo and 75% awfully written dialogue. Worth a run if you're going through multiple times, but not a big priority.

I agree. It gets huge praise because an entirely different dialogue line for a single class is amazing, but a lot of it reads like drunk geeks riffing on Monty Python at some terrible party.

As for the combat heavy endgame; the only thing you have to avoid is spending the last few super expensive dots in anything before you're competent at fighting.

mrfreeze
Apr 3, 2009

Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Unless this is your first time. Everyone must experience it pure once.

Played it straight except for the underwater part with the giant fan. Did it right, got down the pipe just in time, but reservoir didn't fill for some reason. So said gently caress it and noclipped through.

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011
Thanks to this thread I'm playing this game for the first time and holy crap, it's brilliant! Thanks thread!

On a related note, now Valve are adding Occulus Rift support into the Source SDK, how much fun would it be to get some Bloodlines virtual reality going on, eh?

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

6EQUJ5 posted:

Thanks to this thread I'm playing this game for the first time and holy crap, it's brilliant! Thanks thread!

On a related note, now Valve are adding Occulus Rift support into the Source SDK, how much fun would it be to get some Bloodlines virtual reality going on, eh?

Would be pretty cool, but I don't know how well it would work considering there are many actions that occur in third person, and there's no first person equivalent. Also, the Source SDK is incompatible with Bloodlines because it's built on an extremely early version of Source.

null
Feb 19, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
I picked this game up after reading this thread and it's been fun so far, I'm playing it as a Tremere. The Ocean hotel part was very cool, it was very atmospheric and made me jump when I fell through the stairs. That graphics are dated but not so badly that it's jarring.

I installed the basic version of the 8.6 game patch, is the Blood Heal ability only available in the plus version? I read about it when I was looking at character creation advice but I don't see it in the game.

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

Yeah, it's only in the Plus Patch.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 7 minutes!

null posted:

I picked this game up after reading this thread and it's been fun so far, I'm playing it as a Tremere. The Ocean hotel part was very cool, it was very atmospheric and made me jump when I fell through the stairs. That graphics are dated but not so badly that it's jarring.

I installed the basic version of the 8.6 game patch, is the Blood Heal ability only available in the plus version? I read about it when I was looking at character creation advice but I don't see it in the game.

The hotel scared me shitless when I played it the first time, it was so messed up and even though I've played it many times I picked the game up again last week after 3 years and I STILL loving jumped every time the girl showed up in that loving hotel :argh:

null
Feb 19, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Upmarket Mango posted:

Yeah, it's only in the Plus Patch.

Ok thanks, I was wondering since I know this game is supposed to be buggy. So far I haven't run into many bugs besides an elevator refusing to activate which forced me to reload, and the game crashing after I left it open for a long time.

Demiurge4 posted:

The hotel scared me shitless when I played it the first time, it was so messed up and even though I've played it many times I picked the game up again last week after 3 years and I STILL loving jumped every time the girl showed up in that loving hotel :argh:

Yeah it's kind of ironic considering you're playing a vampire yet you're basically in a horror movie setup. It's not quite The Shining but still a very well done area.

Commissar Budgie
Aug 10, 2011

I am a Commissar. I am empowered to deliver justice wherever I see it lacking. I am empowered to punish cowardice. I am granted the gift of total authority to judge, in the name of the Emperor, on the field of combat.

null posted:

Yeah it's kind of ironic considering you're playing a vampire yet you're basically in a horror movie setup. It's not quite The Shining but still a very well done area.

The team really did a good job of reminding the player that while they are a vampire, that ain't poo poo in the World of Darkness. Including it in the early game is a great foreshadowing of the Kuei-Jin and the Werewolves as unknowns that can veritably gently caress you up.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

For those who were asking about Dark a page ago, TotalBiscuit did a WTF Is... on the game and, well, it's pretty well removed any temptation I had of checking it out. It's not a funny trainwreck either, just a bad game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0gKqI9vg24

longtimelurker
Mar 12, 2006

Powered by alcohol

wow 8.6 I remember buying this from Electronic Boutique on release. Not even the same game. SO STABLE!

PaperJohnny
Dec 29, 2012
I don't suppose anyone would know where I can download the original "xp acquired" sound effect from the game?
Wesp replaced it with something else for some inexplicable reason and I do so ever miss it.
The twang it had to it was just so perfect.

Blast of Confetti
Apr 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I decided to reinstall and toss a few patches in, maybe see if there were somehow some news one that might spice things up. After installing through Steam, the official patch refuses to install. I ran as administrator because I'm using Windows 7, but still no dice. I'd bet it's looking in program files for the folder, but since Microsoft is annoying, that's pretty much a no go with stuff like Steam. I tried dropping the patch its self in to the folder it is in but that didn't work either.

I figured maybe the game had to be run before it could be updated, but whenever I try to start the game I get a CTD and it tells me I have less than 15MB of available memory. What hosed up and how do I fix it? No way this has only happened to me.

e:Ah, whoops. Steam automatically installs the patch and now I need to slap the Unofficial one in to get everything running. Now that the crisis is solved, any mods worth grabbing that aren't on the first page? :v: I doubt anything significant has come out besides maybe a MLP skin or two, but it's worth asking.

Blast of Confetti fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Aug 24, 2013

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

No new mods really, the ones on the first page are pretty much it, although some of them still get updated from time to time.

null
Feb 19, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
I just beat the game and I found the ending kind of disappointing. I think I got the "independent" ending, my options were to either let LaCroix blow himself up and give Nines the finger on the way out of town, or blow myself up. Jack and the mummy sitting in lawn chairs was cool but the ending seemed really short and unsatisfying. Are there better endings? (please don't spoil them) Also, who was the vampire that showed up next to Jack and the Mummy, the cab driver?

After reading about how much it sucked I expected the sewer part to be worse than it was, I did need to check a guide for the part where you have turn on the water pump and swim through the pipes really quickly before the fan stops you. Like everyone said the game does tilt heavily towards combat as you get near the end, I was ready for it though after a bunch of min/maxing and consulting a walkthrough too frequently.

Overall it was a fun RPG, very atmospheric. I'll probably play through the game again as Malkavian at some point, I have a bunch of steam sales games to play first though.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE
There are different endings, but you already got the best one (let LaCroix blow himself up and give Nines the finger on the way out of town).

IIRC, there are...3 more endings than the 2 you described, although 1 of them is a close variant to 1 of the ones you've seen.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Yeah, it changes up the endgame a little depending on who you side with. Siding with Lacroix means you don't do his stage, siding with Ming means you don't do hers.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
I liked the ending because it was anti-climatic. There was no ancient vampire god, aside from Cain perhaps, just Jack playing everyone for fools. It fit the theme of there being nothing special about you and that you're just being a lowly pawn in the grand scheme of things, which is like the polar opposite of most RPG plots.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Accordion Man posted:

I liked the ending because it was anti-climatic. There was no ancient vampire god, aside from Cain perhaps, just Jack playing everyone for fools. It fit the theme of there being nothing special about you and that you're just being a lowly pawn in the grand scheme of things, which is like the polar opposite of most RPG plots.

While its true that you're still mostly just a pawn you are "special" in the sense that you gain power obscenely quickly for the setting, to the point where several characters will comment on this.

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.

jonjonaug posted:

While its true that you're still mostly just a pawn you are "special" in the sense that you gain power obscenely quickly for the setting, to the point where several characters will comment on this.

Right, isn't there some part towards the end where LaCroix attempts to Dominate you, but he can't, because of how strong you've gotten?

I did really like that whole aspect to the ending though, where it ends up being all "You're all freaking out about the apocalypse for no good reason", which would have been a better if less climactic end to the Masquerade universe than Actual Judgement Day or whatever. I haven't extensively read the Gehenna book.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

I think your sire is supposed to be a really early generation vampire, which means that your character's vampire blood is less diluted and they are more powerful.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

IShallRiseAgain posted:

I think your sire is supposed to be a really early generation vampire, which means that your character's vampire blood is less diluted and they are more powerful.

I think an early generation vampire would have been a lot more cautious.

Really there's no explanation in game. It's for game mechanics reasons, to give you enough XP to keep the game moving and exciting, and the game draws attention to it so you don't think the developers forgot this, but its better left to the player's imagination.

Moto42
Jul 14, 2006

:dukedog:
I assumed your sire was the same guy that sired Lily. Just some jackass who gets his jollies with a "sire'em and leave'em" attitude.
Then you end up having to clean up his mess.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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I think they just had the characters make little comments about it because it's a videogame and you're basically going to be become super-powerful no matter what the setting normally dictates.

reitetsu
Sep 27, 2009

Should you find yourself here one day... In accordance with your crimes, you can rest assured I will give you the treatment you deserve.
It seemed like there were a lot of Masquerade bits they tried to stuff in - mentioning stuff like the Blood Bond on loading screens, even when that was barely present in the game, and not as an active mechanic aside from Heather, I suppose. I just sort of assumed that exp was how all that was determined in the game, because it's not like you can put points in Generation or actually diablerize anyone or anything.

I also never knew that LaCroix would Dominate you to go do things if you refused, because I always was super nice to his face so I could get that convenient as hell downtown apartment.

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The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer
The Vampire setting seems super cool (in a nerdy way), but none of my friends are into pen and paper games and I'm super dubious about seeking out an existing Vampire group, for obvious reasons. If I just want to immerse myself in all of the nifty mythology and history of the setting, which books should I read? Is everything just sourcebook type stuff, or do they have novels that tie in as well?

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