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Heavy Zed posted:Yeah she seems pretty sincere and is probably a sociopath. It's not that she likes violence, but sometimes it does eliminate problems so... Renard would probably be able to recognize that it was Coyote in disguise pretty quickly, little clues or no - I think Hetty's just the slightest bit evil (also, her expression in the last panel is great and made me finally pick up a Court-themed avatar)
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Now people who don't even know Annie want to kill her. She was right, she really DOES bring it out in people! 
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Fangz posted:Maybe he/she knows that Renard never would and is just riling him up? "Evil Antimony is a freedom-denying slave driver" is a weak play, though, considering this page.
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Jul 3, 2013 21:41
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It's good that Reynard has found a little friend to play with.
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Jul 3, 2013 21:41
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seravid posted:"Evil Antimony is a freedom-denying slave driver" is a weak play, though, considering this page. God, how would Hetty react to THAT knowledge?
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Jul 3, 2013 22:26
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That makes it easy then! She'll never expect it!
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Jul 3, 2013 22:35
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Brightman posted:That's what I was thinking actually. I'm pretty sure Hetty is genuinely malevolent... just probably not very personally effective at it.
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Jul 3, 2013 22:50
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I got my Annie In The Forest! It's not bad. I'm seeing what people mean when they say how nice the big pages are, and Tom really seems to have spent a lot more time per-page compared to the web stuff. It's been obvious for a while that his drawing is improving, but way way more so in the printed pages. There's one full-page drawing of Ysengrin that I had to just stop and stare at for a minute. Really happy with this and can't wait for the next one.
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Regy Rusty posted:I'm pretty sure Hetty is genuinely malevolent... just probably not very personally effective at it. I'm still thinking that she's just really bitter because she is "owned" in the kind of the same way Renard is. She's likely a trickster spirit that got trapped in a doll under someone's (Anthony's) control somehow and is tired of being a slave. He's probably told her that she's expressly forbidden to kill him, so she does her best to get back at him by doing little annoying things like putting fiberglass in his bed, bits of sand in his food, or Nair in his shampoo. None of the things she does are lethal, but because they're in a "grey" area, she's able to get away with it. Note that in the forest, things like what she's doing (cursing, turning your friend's head into a slug, killing and eating them, etc) are pretty standard among the population.
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GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:I'm still thinking that she's just really bitter because she is "owned" in the kind of the same way Renard is. She's likely a trickster spirit that got trapped in a doll under someone's (Anthony's) control somehow and is tired of being a slave. He's probably told her that she's expressly forbidden to kill him, so she does her best to get back at him by doing little annoying things like putting fiberglass in his bed, bits of sand in his food, or Nair in his shampoo. None of the things she does are lethal, but because they're in a "grey" area, she's able to get away with it. according to this page and this page, it seems like we are getting conflicting stories on what Reynard has the capability of doing. On the first page, he says he can "do nothing to harm" Antimony now. On the second, he reaffirms her ownership and states that he can't even take a new body without her permission. However, also on the second page he confirms that he destroyed the science fair entries because she "never told him not to do it." So, disregarding his feelings for her, is he able to kill her because she hasn't explicitly stated that he is not allowed to do it OR is he incapable of killing her because of her ownership?
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I noted that Hetty looks like a little doll, so I revisited that page where Zimmy is asleep on a bunch of stuff animals, and guess what I found? Absolutely nothing.
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Dodgeball posted:I noted that Hetty looks like a little doll, so I revisited that page where Zimmy is asleep on a bunch of stuff animals, and guess what I found? I don't know how I missed Ray and Roast Beef before.
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GorfZaplen posted:I don't know how I missed Ray and Roast Beef before. There's also a little blue alien thingy from Starslip. Are there any other outside webcomic references in that pile?
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GorfZaplen posted:I don't know how I missed Ray and Roast Beef before. I just noticed it for the first time myself. It makes me sad that Achewood doesn't update anymore.
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Jul 4, 2013 09:13
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I see the marshmallow cat from Girly.
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Jul 4, 2013 09:14
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That page is exhibit A in my argument that the printed volumes should have the page notes in them.
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Oz posted:according to this page and this page, it seems like we are getting conflicting stories on what Reynard has the capability of doing.
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I really like Hetty from a storytelling perspective. Her point of view is...unique, and helps us understand more about Renard, and the whole ownership thing in general. Given his interaction with her so far, I suspect his reaction to the suggestion of killing Annie is going to be something along the lines of "I can't" or some other cop-out. He seems to want the conversation to be as short/minimal as possible.
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Vartiter posted:I really like Hetty from a storytelling perspective. Her point of view is...unique, and helps us understand more about Renard, and the whole ownership thing in general. My initial dislike of her has gone down a lot. Her character is not as one-dimensional as I'd thought it might be to begin with and I would love to know more about her background. I'm a convert!
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Huh. I finally started a full re-read of the strip (from the start instead of strips posted in the thread) and never caught Surma's maiden name before: http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=268 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stibnite Makes me wonder what I'm STILL missing that I won't catch until the three-read.
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Jul 5, 2013 04:28
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Wikipedia posted:It is the most important source for the metalloid antimony. 
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Jul 5, 2013 04:41
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AE-35 Unit posted:Layers within layers! I'm also fairly certain it's the mineral in the picture second from the bottom on this strip: http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=303 Antimony & antimonite are too "hairy" looking. I'm sure that's already been covered in this thread though.
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The Red Queen posted:Huh. I finally started a full re-read of the strip (from the start instead of strips posted in the thread) and never caught Surma's maiden name before: The name Surma also has various meanings that may be relevant as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surma \/\/\/Edit: I skimmed the article and completely glossed over that entry. Didn't notice it until you said that. My mind is blown further. Oz fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Oz posted:The name Surma also has various meanings that may be relevant as well. Сурьма - the Russian name for Antimony
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Let's just leave it at "Tom's a genius goddamn".
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I think Renard might just be tolerating Hetty. It wouldn't suprise me if "Adam" isn't real at all and all she is doing is tormenting a bloke who looks a bit like her first owner. I mean she doesn't exactly seem to be doing too hot in the brain department.
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Jul 5, 2013 08:08
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It looks somewhere between an annoyed grimace and a smirk.
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It must take a while to get around the court at that size. He's probably smiling because the conversation turned away from murdering Annie back to making this dude itchy. ChairMaster fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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ChairMaster posted:It must take a while to get around the court at that size. I don't know, the implication seems to be that making him itchy is part of a ramp up that goes to dark places. Frankly, after initially being charmed by Hetty's character design I'm beginning to dislike her. The sheer malevolence just doesn't feel like a good fit for Renard, the whole interaction just feels a bit flat.
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Razorwired posted:Сурьма - the Russian name for Antimony Oh come on. Do you guys even google?
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cafel posted:I don't know, the implication seems to be that making him itchy is part of a ramp up that goes to dark places. Frankly, after initially being charmed by Hetty's character design I'm beginning to dislike her. The sheer malevolence just doesn't feel like a good fit for Renard, the whole interaction just feels a bit flat. I dare say that that might be the point. Renard seems to tolerate Hetty at best because she's another spirit trapped in his circumstance. Her murderous tendencies clearly put him off and her general lack of remorse obviously clashes with the kind soul Renard is deep down. Their interactions don't seem right because they're not. Renard has a bad friend he doesn't like but still spends time with because he's lonely. Hell, every shot of this chapter has been Renard small and alone except when Hetty is involved.
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AE-35 Unit posted:Layers within layers! quote:Antimony compounds are prominent additives for chlorine- and bromine-containing fire retardants found in many commercial and domestic products.
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I have a feeling Hetty is going to slip Renard something to "help" deal with Annie. He's not going to realize, it's going to affect her badly, there will be a horrible misunderstanding where people think he did it on purpose, and a rift will be created.  Meanwhile, Coyote laughs.
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I can't imagine Hetty being very effective in her evil. Like, her intentions are terrible and she thinks she's causing unspeakable torment ultimately culminating in Adam's agonizing death, but really his sister's arrangement extends exclusively to annoying sibling pranks.
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Olivia42 posted:I can't imagine Hetty being very effective in her evil. Like, her intentions are terrible and she thinks she's causing unspeakable torment ultimately culminating in Adam's agonizing death, but really his sister's arrangement extends exclusively to annoying sibling pranks. It seems like Hetty's gearing up to cause unspeakable torment. Maybe a little mercury in Adam's cereal? If that's the case, it will be interesting to see how far Renard will go. He doesn't seem terribly uncomfortable with the idea of breaking into ______ (a lab?), which I find a little troubling.
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I reaaaally hate Hettie, you guys.
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VanSandman posted:I reaaaally hate Hettie, you guys. Yeah, I'm in team anti-Hetty. She's got nothing to recommend her as a person. She's vindictive, she suggests stupid things (not comically or amusingly stupid, just flat out stupid), I don't really care about her story, and she interrupted Renard history time to sigh like a spoiled brat child. At this point I'd be pretty happy if on Monday a rogue truck ran her over so Renard can go back to his walk. Of course, Tom is probably setting us up and will reveal something that makes me really care about her as a person soon. But until them, I'm hoping a piano falls on her. 
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