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Holy crap, no one said anything about the croud shooting FIREWORKS at the same time 
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Handsome Ralph posted:At the risk of invoking the wrath of OPSECWizard, there has got to be a countermeasure for this kind of poo poo, right? Debt of Honor. It was some super secret heavy duty laser or some poo poo. There were crashing AWACS I think.
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Jul 6, 2013 04:15
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Handsome Ralph posted:At the risk of invoking the wrath of OPSECWizard, there has got to be a countermeasure for this kind of poo poo, right? Probably the same as for MANPADS: don't fly near there.
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Jul 6, 2013 04:16
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Handsome Ralph posted:
In fairness, that wasn't a laser, just a ultrabright fuckoff xenon projector with a focusing lens.
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Jul 6, 2013 05:06
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This isn't actually war-time combat footage, but rather from a movie. Don't remember which exactly.
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Jul 6, 2013 05:25
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holocaust bloopers posted:Protective eye wear. Nothing fancy. Also, when someones calls out a laser at 9 o'clock, that doesn't mean everyone should try to look at it. On more than one occasion, a laser incident involved an entire aircrew when it only needed to be the one guy who had an indirect glance. Hell, once a pilot in another plane sent the warning and the entire crew still subsequently looked at it. 
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Jul 6, 2013 05:48
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That's a habit pattern developed from spotting traffic. poo poo is hard to break.
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Jul 6, 2013 05:51
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Derek Dominoe posted:Also, when someones calls out a laser at 9 o'clock, that doesn't mean everyone should try to look at it. On more than one occasion, a laser incident involved an entire aircrew when it only needed to be the one guy who had an indirect glance. Hell, once a pilot in another plane sent the warning and the entire crew still subsequently looked at it. Sounds like the kind of issue where you need to get some smart psychologist type to come up with a better warning. Recognizing and avoiding instinctive behavior and all that, given that every other time you're saying that it's so you don't ram yourself into another plane.
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Jul 6, 2013 05:57
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Fallom posted:Sounds like the kind of issue where you need to get some smart psychologist type to come up with a better warning. Recognizing and avoiding instinctive behavior and all that, given that every other time you're saying that it's so you don't ram yourself into another plane. "TITS AT THREE O'CLOCK!!!"
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Jul 6, 2013 06:05
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holocaust bloopers posted:Protective eye wear. Nothing fancy.
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Jul 6, 2013 06:05
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Casimir Radon posted:The same kind of laser blocking eyewear guys on the ground use, or OPSEC? I couldn't tell you for sure. They're just shades of some sort. Nothing special.
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Jul 6, 2013 06:45
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holocaust bloopers posted:I couldn't tell you for sure. They're just shades of some sort. Nothing special.
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Jul 6, 2013 06:51
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I was issued glasses that came with an NSN label that said laser proof or some such nonsense. They were Green lensed and had instructions about not looking directly at lasers and they were good for blah blah wavelengths. Never tested them, but seemed legit. That was ten years ago and they were old as balls so I am sure they have newr, cooler, more effective poo poo. I want a blue laser for my rifle. :-(
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Jul 6, 2013 07:03
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They issue green visors for aircrew along with the ballistic laser eyepro for ground guys
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Jul 6, 2013 07:32
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Casimir Radon posted:The same kind of laser blocking eyewear guys on the ground use, or OPSEC? 
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Jul 6, 2013 07:35
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sky shark posted:They issue green visors for aircrew along with the ballistic laser eyepro for ground guys That would be nice. We don't get poo poo. If a laser goes through your NVG's it's an automatic knock-it-off and you have to go get your eyes checked. Then the metro PD goes to the coords and fails to find whomever was lasing you.
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Jul 6, 2013 08:00
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Wingnut Ninja posted:"TITS AT THREE O'CLOCK!!!" Standard issue Katy Perry clone on all US military aircraft. E: Seriously though can't you just fly by instruments? I'm pretty sure the risk would be more to the cameras on that thing anyway.
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Jul 6, 2013 08:01
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Can-O-Raid posted:Standard issue Katy Perry clone on all US military aircraft. Apaches (since that's what's pictured) are not instrument rated. Not that this is really an instrument type of thing. And no, the risk is more to, you know, human eyes than it is to cameras.
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Jul 6, 2013 08:40
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ghost bones posted:ANA Supremacy I didn't think I'd ever have to lay an eye on an SEM 35 ever again, but sure enough, it came back to haunt me.
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Jul 6, 2013 12:18
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Can-O-Raid posted:Standard issue Katy Perry clone on all US military aircraft. Once your eyes stop working, how do you intend to use your instruments effectively?
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Jul 6, 2013 16:24
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Godholio posted:Once your eyes stop working, how do you intend to use your instruments effectively? Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see.
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Jul 6, 2013 16:34
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I didn't think I'd ever have to lay an eye on an SEM 35 ever again, but sure enough, it came back to haunt me. A/N PRC 77.  Compared to a SEM 52 it was heaven.
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Jul 6, 2013 17:28
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Pretty good doc done in coordination with Vice about the challenges in trying to prepare the ANA for 2014 handover. It paints a pretty grim picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKHPTHx0ScQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S77dCAZzcLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8rRqRoCUsg
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Jul 6, 2013 18:18
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shyduck posted:Pretty good doc done in coordination with Vice about the challenges in trying to prepare the ANA for 2014 handover. It paints a pretty grim picture. As soon as we leave all the ANA are going to be killed or join the TB. Last deployment I was working with ANASF, supposedly the best of the best of the ANA. They were more worried about going to the bazaar or what they were going to cook for dinner than utilizing the time we had with them for training. When we finally got them out of their tent to do some training, they would only go through the motions and retain nothing. Or get in slap fights with each other while holding loaded pistols. I can't wait for this next deployment, I'm going with IDR (MARSOC) so maybe they are more effective at motivating these dudes to do poo poo than ODAs.
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Jul 6, 2013 19:28
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doogle posted:As soon as we leave all the ANA are going to be killed or join the TB. Last deployment I was working with ANASF, supposedly the best of the best of the ANA. They were more worried about going to the bazaar or what they were going to cook for dinner than utilizing the time we had with them for training. When we finally got them out of their tent to do some training, they would only go through the motions and retain nothing. Or get in slap fights with each other while holding loaded pistols. Why train when it's gods will whether you live or die? That was the general idea I encountered with the afghans on my last deployment.
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Jul 6, 2013 19:31
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Near done with the first episode. Hahaha Afghanistan is so hosed. The guys I spoke with that did the USAF air advisor gig had basically said that we cannot interface with them just because of how hosed up their culture is. No amount of money or effort will get anyone anywhere when we just can't figure each other out.
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Jul 6, 2013 19:35
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I really hated the ANA at this one patrol base because they had a fuckin rooster that would crow at like 330 or 400 every goddamn day for like an hour straight. gently caress that bird and gently caress the ANA.
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Jul 6, 2013 20:34
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holocaust bloopers posted:Near done with the first episode. Hahaha Afghanistan is so hosed. The guys I spoke with that did the USAF air advisor gig had basically said that we cannot interface with them just because of how hosed up their culture is. No amount of money or effort will get anyone anywhere when we just can't figure each other out. That's not entirely true. You can train the ANA and get them to do things, it just takes a LOT of rapport-building. You need to understand that Afghans place a TON of emphasis on personal relationships, moreso than business or professional relationships. They're more likely to do stuff for you if they figure you're their buddy than their trainer or whatever. You also have to figure that some of these guys have seen an unending rotation of Americans coming through year-after-year to train them, and they know that as soon as you're gone, there will be some other dude who will come along and tell them what to do. So how do you build a relationship when it's most likely going to be fleeting? You find common ground and build rapport off of that. Show them that you give a gently caress. Show them that you care about their "hosed up culture". Hell, email them or send letters. They love that stuff! And the guy who comes after you can borrow some of that good rapport by claiming to know you and work with you. It takes a bit of unconventional thinking, but you CAN get the ANA to do stuff.
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Huh. Interesting stuff. What about poo poo like reprimanding them? Again, this is what I've been told but if they perceive you to be a bitch, they'll never listen to you or if you come at them like an authority, they'll concede but won't show up to work. Either way, I find the afghan advisor stuff interesting.
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Jul 6, 2013 20:50
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That guy looks like the interpreter from generation kill
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Jul 6, 2013 20:59
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Jul 6, 2013 21:49
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I saw ANP handcuff a guy and beat his teeth out with an extendable baton for shoving one of the cops when they tried to throw him out of the line to get humanitarian aid. They spent the rest of the day bitch slapping farmers who got too far out of line, and one of them would grab the barrel of his AK and hit people with it like a baseball bat. . . with a full magazine in it. I'd say the country is in great hands.  e:   There's probably a D&D poster who's seen this cartoon and nodded emphatically in approval.
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Jul 6, 2013 21:50
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I've also heard that the ANP is its own unique brand of hosed
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Jul 6, 2013 21:59
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Chances are the most outlandish, hard to believe stories about the ANA/ANP you have ever heard are true. I believe them, because of what I saw with the INA/INP.
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Vasudus posted:Chances are the most outlandish, hard to believe stories about the ANA/ANP you have ever heard are true. http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/money-pit-monstrous-failure-us-aid-afghanistan quote:- For $130,000, Afghan contractors built a large shower/bathroom facility “without holes in the walls or floors for plumbing and drains.” What’s more, the walls were constructed of “crumbling cinder blocks.” The report blamed insufficient oversight. That was most certainly true. But in addition, UNICEF statistics show that seventy percent of Afghans have no access to a toilet and may in fact never have seen one. How could they know what’s involved in installing them? Article is full of laughs
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Jul 6, 2013 23:17
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Afghanistan gonna Afghanistan.
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JSARSOM posted:Afghanistan gonna Afghanistan. 
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Snowdens Secret posted:http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/money-pit-monstrous-failure-us-aid-afghanistan Jesus Christ.
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Our ANA were mostly Dari-speaking Tajiks and were pretty cool dudes and (mostly) professional. The guys who were designated patrollers never took issue with doing long patrols or conducting their own VCPs for a few hours. By the end of our deployment we would hand them a radio and effectively have three fire-teams satelliting each other as we went along. Seeing that kind of progression left me feeling optimistic for the prospects of their Army, at the very least. There were a few guys who were primarily truck drivers or whatever that we'd occasionally get saddled with who were, more often than not, clueless complainers- dragging their rifle along behind them because their feet hurt. At the end of the day we're all scummy dudes who would rather hit up the bazaar than drill or beautify the COP. Afghanistan sucks.  Cool ANA dudes incoming:   (Terp's face) 
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