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tomapot posted:"The Test Dream" is playing right now, forgot how whacked this episode was. That is such a great episode. Sopranos might have my favorite use of dreams in drama ever (including literature, film, TV, excluding David Lynch)
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escape artist posted:That is such a great episode. Sopranos might have my favorite use of dreams in drama ever (including literature, film, TV, excluding David Lynch) My all time favorite dream sequence from the Sopranos. Captures the unsettling, building terror of this type of dream/nightmare perfectly for me.
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escape artist posted:That is such a great episode. Sopranos might have my favorite use of dreams in drama ever (including literature, film, TV, excluding David Lynch) It's also the most accurate dream sequences I've ever seen. Just the right shifts in time and place without any over the top effects wankery. When we visited Asbury Park briefly for the first time, the wife was sort of nonplussed as I enthusiastically pointed out where every bit of 'Funhouse's dream sequences were filmed. "I DON'T WANNA SEE YOU FLOPPIN' AROUND DOWN THERE" indeed.
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Jul 2, 2013 04:59
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Up to season 4 on my 3rd time through the series. Seeing Paulie in that orange jump suit caught me off guard again. I had to do a quick check make sure I didn't skip an episode.
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Jul 3, 2013 11:33
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HBO showed Long Term Parking a couple of nights ago, and it was just as heartbreaking this time as it was the first time I saw it. That moment when they cut from Adrianna driving south in her own car to her riding into the woods in Syl's car . . .
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Jul 4, 2013 20:36
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ZekeNY posted:HBO showed Long Term Parking a couple of nights ago, and it was just as heartbreaking this time as it was the first time I saw it. That moment when they cut from Adrianna driving south in her own car to her riding into the woods in Syl's car . . . I was honestly fooled by that, and oh God when I realized what was going to happen  I think what makes it worse is that Sil is so casual about it, he even seems a little put-out and irritated when she tries to run away, like SHE is causing him a problem.
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Jul 4, 2013 23:23
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It fooled me, too, the first time I saw it -- I had read all the stories about De Matteo leaving the show and was sure that Ade was going to die, and then I was so elated to see her finally coming to her senses and getting out of there. And then they pull the rug out from under me. It was really perfectly done, I had that image of her crawling out of the frame in my head for days
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Jul 5, 2013 23:40
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haljordan posted:I always found Carmela's father to be an enormous scumbag. I love his outburst at Livia's funeral. SHE RUINED MY CHRISTMAS.
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Jul 6, 2013 00:58
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Hugh's birthday is one of the funniest episodes.
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Jul 6, 2013 01:15
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This is the best scene in a series that was seemingly composed of best scenes. The Sopranos is a tale of wolves, some pathetic and desperate. Some lethal and aware and very, truly, dangerous. Meet papa wolf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_AoiGVVjrY
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Jul 6, 2013 08:53
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Supreme Allah posted:This is the best scene in a series that was seemingly composed of best scenes. That dude apologizing the next (?) episode was the best. He had no idea what he'd done wrong, but he'd been assured it must have been something, so he was very sorry for being such an rear end in a top hat!
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Jul 6, 2013 09:07
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Jul 6, 2013 09:10
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I bet upwards of 75% of all the audio in the show is James Gandolfini breathing.
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Jul 7, 2013 01:03
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Supreme Allah posted:This is the best scene in a series that was seemingly composed of best scenes. It would have been better if the episode ended right after he saw no one getting up to greet him. Then next episode there's an actual story where Tony avenges the disrespect he felt.
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Jul 7, 2013 02:45
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Mr. Kite posted:I kinda thought the scene was a litle too obvious. Earlier in the episode, he enters the room and everyone jumps up to greet him. Then he falls down at the Sacrimone wedding [where John cries and discussion of manliness/respect arrises]. This scene was the end of the episode. He sees no one get up when he enters and needs to prove who's boss. No subtlety to the storytelling. However, in your criticism you failed to mention Melfi's advice: "they only see what you let them see." So they see him demonstrate his prowess by beating on the young tough guy, and then he goes to the bathroom and starts puking blood, where they can't see him.
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Jul 7, 2013 03:25
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Yes, calling that scene obvious means you sort of missed the point. Check the camera work, the viewer literally gets an extended sequences of long POV shots of Tony methodically sizing his entire crew up as they chill at Satriale's doing the boss math in his head to determine the magnitude of a show of force he's going to need to display to retain respect among his troops. It's an awesome scene, and the puking/grinning/puking in solitude at the end is a superb capper.
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Jul 7, 2013 04:31
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I'm on a rewatch, is there anything great that I might have forgotten from "In Camelot" or can I skip that?
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Jul 7, 2013 06:26
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The introduction of JT Dolan, the scene where Tony chases Phil down in the car, and Uncle Junior's obsession with funerals. Not to mention the Johnny Soprano's mistress storyline is illuminating even if it does drag a bit.
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the culminator posted:I'm on a rewatch, is there anything great that I might have forgotten from "In Camelot" or can I skip that? During my first watch-through, I hated this episode. On a random re-watch, I found it absolutely illuminating to the type of person that Tony is. Points out his flaws in a way that (for one of the first times, chronologically) shows him as creepy and desperate. Great individual scenes, too. What a guy Christopher is.
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Jul 7, 2013 17:22
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Something that's really interesting to me in the series is how these men choose to exalt Italian culture. There's a lot to admire there, but the only aspect I ever hear them talk about is the food. I think that it's because for all of the Italian achievements in science, art, and philosophy, the food is what they can relate to day to day, and indulge in themselves.
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Jul 7, 2013 20:20
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Then they go to Italy and Pauli doesn't like the food.
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Jul 7, 2013 20:22
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And Christopher never did make it to that volcano.
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TheBalor posted:Something that's really interesting to me in the series is how these men choose to exalt Italian culture. There's a lot to admire there, but the only aspect I ever hear them talk about is the food. I think that it's because for all of the Italian achievements in science, art, and philosophy, the food is what they can relate to day to day, and indulge in themselves. There was that episode of Columbus Day, too. Tony was pretty good about talking about his heritage. Tell him that Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone, for example.
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Jul 7, 2013 21:21
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Perdido posted:There was that episode of Columbus Day, too. Or that the Chinese invented spaghetti! 
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TheBalor posted:Something that's really interesting to me in the series is how these men choose to exalt Italian culture. There's a lot to admire there, but the only aspect I ever hear them talk about is the food. I think that it's because for all of the Italian achievements in science, art, and philosophy, the food is what they can relate to day to day, and indulge in themselves. I'm not an expert on this but my understanding is that actual Italian culture tends to be quite regional and there is a great deal of animosity between the various parts of the country, which is understandable somewhat if you consider that Italy as a unified country is less than 200 years old. However the Italian immigrant community,especially the later generations, of course didn't hang on to this aspect of the culture and as a result exalt an "Italian culture" that only serves to bemuse native Italians like Furio was a nice touch. I think it was the columbus day episode when a confused Furio says that Columbus was a Genoaese and he as a Neapolitan hated the Genoaese so why should he partake in a celebration of him? Queue "ooooohhh"s from the rest of the mobsters.
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Jul 7, 2013 23:04
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withak posted:Then they go to Italy and Pauli doesn't like the food. I just found out that the conversations Paulie has with the locals when he's wandering about weren't scripted - the dude who demands to know if he's with NATO and cut their ski cable was legitimately ranting at him. 
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Throatwarbler posted:I'm not an expert on this but my understanding is that actual Italian culture tends to be quite regional and there is a great deal of animosity between the various parts of the country, which is understandable somewhat if you consider that Italy as a unified country is less than 200 years old. However the Italian immigrant community,especially the later generations, of course didn't hang on to this aspect of the culture and as a result exalt an "Italian culture" that only serves to bemuse native Italians like Furio was a nice touch. I think it was the columbus day episode when a confused Furio says that Columbus was a Genoaese and he as a Neapolitan hated the Genoaese so why should he partake in a celebration of him? Queue "ooooohhh"s from the rest of the mobsters. Carmella's parents had a bit of this, too. Can't remember the context or the exact line, but Carm blasted her mom, "and I remember how you used to say how dark Meadow was, don't try to deny it." ... Might've been in that Columbus Day episode actually, now that I think of it.
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Throatwarbler posted:I'm not an expert on this but my understanding is that actual Italian culture tends to be quite regional and there is a great deal of animosity between the various parts of the country, which is understandable somewhat if you consider that Italy as a unified country is less than 200 years old. However the Italian immigrant community,especially the later generations, of course didn't hang on to this aspect of the culture and as a result exalt an "Italian culture" that only serves to bemuse native Italians like Furio was a nice touch. I think it was the columbus day episode when a confused Furio says that Columbus was a Genoaese and he as a Neapolitan hated the Genoaese so why should he partake in a celebration of him? Queue "ooooohhh"s from the rest of the mobsters. This is pretty on the money. Look into how Northern Italians view the South, and then remember where the mafia families come from.
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Perdido posted:Carmella's parents had a bit of this, too. I think that was in the one with Hugh's party, when Carm catches her apologising to the Governor of Maryland and his wife.
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Jul 8, 2013 14:39
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tbp posted:This is pretty on the money. Look into how Northern Italians view the South, and then remember where the mafia families come from. Hell, just look at the organized crime within southern Italy. 'Ndrangheta, Cosa Nostra and Cammora. I'm sure Northern Italy has their own OC outfits as well.
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tbp posted:This is pretty on the money. Look into how Northern Italians view the South, and then remember where the mafia families come from. My mother's family is from Northern Italy and my father's family is from Southern Italy, and I swear this caused more family problems than anything else. It never made sense to me, but it was such a huge deal to the grandparents. I'll never forget the time my maternal grandmother put her hand on my shoulder and said "You poor boy. Well, at least you aren't Sicilian." edit: Or when she'd yell at my mother "I can't believe my grandchildren are Napolidan!"
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It's important to remember that many of the Italian immigrants that came into the US were poor and uneducated from Southern Italy. Like any uneducated area around the world, those people had a certain dialect that strayed far from proper Italian. The result is passed down and can be seen in The Sopranos. They butcher (excuse the pun) basic Italian foods like capicola (gabbagool), manicotti (manigot), ricotta (rigot), etc.
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Jul 8, 2013 15:37
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kippa posted:I think that was in the one with Hugh's party, when Carm catches her apologising to the Governor of Maryland and his wife. Yes, that was the episode (he was a retired foreign service officer, not a governor, but that was the right scene). Until I saw that, I'd had no idea that "self-hating Italians" was a thing.
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ZekeNY posted:Yes, that was the episode (he was a retired foreign service officer, not a governor, but that was the right scene). Until I saw that, I'd had no idea that "self-hating Italians" was a thing. Oh I know he wasn't actually a governor, but that's what Hugh said they used to call him in the navy because he used to get crabs all the time (which also led to the speculation that he's Paulies dad).
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kippa posted:Oh I know he wasn't actually a governor, but that's what Hugh said they used to call him in the navy because he used to get crabs all the time (which also led to the speculation that he's Paulies dad). Gah, of course. I should know better than to post before I've had my coffee. 
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This scene sums it all up pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlA9Fs350PE
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Jul 8, 2013 20:11
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Is that party the only time that Tony and Carmella ever a proper intimate moment? It seemed like the first time they were really affectionate with each other which stood out to me
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So wait, did Ralph really set the fire at the stable or not? Or are we meant to not know?
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Mahoning posted:So wait, did Ralph really set the fire at the stable or not? Or are we meant to not know? I think it's supposed to be left ambiguous, but if I had to pick one side or the other, I'd say no. He was the biggest earner. He was adamant about not setting the fire. And he just pissed Tony off by trivializing (in Tony's eyes) the death of his horse, because Ralph's kid was in the hospital. "No I did not, but so what?" Joey Pants did so well on that show, I was sad to see him go. escape artist fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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