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bobkatt013 posted:The Kingpin would never do that. The Kingpin actually killed the guys who outed Murdock.
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Mr. Maltose posted:And that's why The Fixed. Alhazred posted:The Kingpin actually killed the guys who outed Murdock. See?
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In cyberspace, Wire and Doom are trapped in a simulation of the Baxter Building. While looking for the exit... Doom 2099 #6
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Jul 8, 2013 19:23
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This is where I lost interest in The Ultimates: Hulk not gay.
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Jul 8, 2013 19:58
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BiggerBoat posted:This is where I lost interest in The Ultimates: I think Millar is actually quite liberal, so I'm guessing that he put this in there to show what an idiot hulk is. ... at least I hope he did  . I also have to give credit to millar for making me hate captain america, something I thought would be impossible.
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Jul 8, 2013 20:03
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Monaghan posted:I think Millar is actually quite liberal, so I'm guessing that he put this in there to show what an idiot hulk is. He is 12 years old. What he thinks would be cool or funny he puts in his comic story be damned.
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2002 was a very different time and Millar has a habit of being tone-deaf to the bigotry he's inadvertently writing into his stories. I think if he actually lived in America instead of copying what he sees on TV and movies it'd be better, but there you go.
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Jul 8, 2013 20:11
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If it came from a mainstream character I would be bothered, but c'mon, that's the Hulk that ate people. Hulk overreacting and being offended by such a comment is kinda what I would expect from the psyche of an imperfect character such as Ultimate Bruce.
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Frankly the problem with that page isn't Hulk, because yea, Hulk is stupid and emotionally crippled. The problem with that page is that Captain America decided that was a good way to rile him up, and that he's draw sneering like a shithead while saying it. Surely there is something else that could have been used? Like 'Those ships are going to bill Betty!' And, if not, Cap could at least be delivering it with distaste because he knows it's lovely.
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Ashcans posted:Frankly the problem with that page isn't Hulk, because yea, Hulk is stupid and emotionally crippled. The problem with that page is that Captain America decided that was a good way to rile him up, and that he's draw sneering like a shithead while saying it. Surely there is something else that could have been used? Like 'Those ships are going to bill Betty!' And, if not, Cap could at least be delivering it with distaste because he knows it's lovely. You're forgetting that captain america is a huge jingoistic rear end in a top hat in the ultimate universe. Doing stuff like that was par for the course.
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Jul 8, 2013 20:21
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Well, technically he only said they called him a "sissy boy" which Hulk interpreted as calling him gay. I mean, granted, the implication is there, but really didn't say gay.
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Monaghan posted:You're forgetting that captain america is a huge jingoistic rear end in a top hat in the ultimate universe. Doing stuff like that was par for the course. Never forget: 
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BiggerBoat posted:This is where I lost interest in The Ultimates: This is coming up as a broken link for me. Says it's a zero size reply or something when I try the url directly. Also holy gently caress I'd seen the splash of 'STANDS FOR FRANCE' Cap but I didn't know he was brutally murdering some dude on the opposite page.
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I'm more bothered by the fact that something so dumb WORKED on the Hulk, and basically the only reason it did is because the plot required it to do so. If it was so loving easy to misdirect the Hulk, why was he ever a concern? "Hey Hulk, I hear the sun said your mother is fat." "HULK JUMP INTO SUN!"
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Jul 8, 2013 20:49
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Phy posted:Never forget: Captain America 3 
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Ultimate Hulk, even more than regular hulk, is basically pure Id. He reacts exactly like I'd expect him to react. The thing I dislike about the Ultimates from that time frame is how he keeps name-dropping celebrities. It dates the comic really badly, no matter how funny "HULK SMASH FREDDIE PRINCE JUNIOR" is.
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John Dyne posted:This is coming up as a broken link for me. Says it's a zero size reply or something when I try the url directly. Huh. It shows up in your post and mine, which you quoted. It's basically Captain America goading Hulk into a rage by implying he's a sissy (gay). Frankly, I felt they handled this better in The Avengers movie. Cap: And Hulk? Hulk: Er? Cap: SMASH! Hulk: Grins. Smashes.
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John Dyne posted:This is coming up as a broken link for me. Says it's a zero size reply or something when I try the url directly. Some dude was a murderous alien, so it's okay, I guess.
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BiggerBoat posted:Huh. It shows up in your post and mine, which you quoted. It's basically Captain America goading Hulk into a rage by implying he's a sissy (gay). Frankly, I felt they handled this better in The Avengers movie. That Hulk had a radically different personality than Ultimate Hulk, though. I don't want to sound overly defensive of the panels, but UH is honestly a horrible monster (he ends up eating the dude cap is smashing in those panels) and you do whatever it takes to make sure he punches the person you need him to punch. The easiest way to do that is to make him insulted - he earlier killed a bunch of civilians because his girlfriend was dating Freddie Prince Junior.
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Yeah Ultimate Hulk is a different beast. It's actually really fitting that this raging small minded beast would get so insulted at such a comment
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Jul 8, 2013 21:14
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You think this "A" stands for "America"?
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I thought it was neat that Millar showed Banner/Hulk had reached more of a balance by the end of Ultimates 2, making the Hulk considerably less monstrous, but then Warren Ellis ignored that for Ultimate Human and then nobody ever wrote Ultimate Hulk the same way as the last writer did.
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Bloody Holly posted:You think this "A" stands for "America"? Nothing at all! Nothing at all! Nothing at all!
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Monaghan posted:I think Millar is actually quite liberal, so I'm guessing that he put this in there to show what an idiot hulk is. Another case where someone doesn't understand characterisation in a story. I can't wait for you to get to big boy books. CapnAndy posted:2002 was a very different time and Millar has a habit of being tone-deaf to the bigotry he's inadvertently writing into his stories. I think if he actually lived in America instead of copying what he sees on TV and movies it'd be better, but there you go. LOL. Because people can only understand bigotry if they live in America. Scandalous.
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caboodle posted:
Certain types are exclusive to the United States, yes.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Certain types are exclusive to the United States, yes.
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Phy posted:Never forget: As always, Nextwave is better. 
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theflyingorc posted:Ultimate Hulk, even more than regular hulk, is basically pure Id. He reacts exactly like I'd expect him to react. Yeah, exactly. And Cap too: he's from 70 years ago, guys. What do you THINK army boys and tough-guy talk were like back in 1940? Politely giving trigger warnings and checking their privilege or whatever? No, if "human being" was as commonplace an insult back then, they would've used it back then. Let's not kid ourselves here, a soldier from back then, even one as "heroic" as Cap, would use exactly that sort of language; real-life soldiers NOW are just as bad, if not worse.  New Avengers 1
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And if there's one thing superhero comics are about, it's dour, mean-spirited realism.
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I'm not sure why anyone is upset about the captain america bit. If old movies and television have taught me anything it's that insulting someone's manhood was like the go-to insult if you really wanted to insult someone. Plus he was in the military and every fictional drill instructor I've ever seen depicted uses insults along the same lines.
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The problem with this argument is that it boils down to "lovely people and assholes do this/did this, so it's realistic" when you're ignoring the part about it being the lovely people/rear end in a top hat part. There are plenty of people in the army, now and then, who managed to not be shitheads. There's no particular reason Captain America would need to be one, not even through realism.
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Kharmakazy posted:I'm not sure why anyone is upset about the captain america bit. If old movies and television have taught me anything it's that insulting someone's manhood was like the go-to insult if you really wanted to insult someone. Plus he was in the military and every fictional drill instructor I've ever seen depicted uses insults along the same lines. Maybe they don't want pointless realism, in their colorful men beating each other books, I dunno.
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Basically because Captain America is supposed to stand for the best of us, not the worst. He's a guy who fights for an ideal that he embodies. Plus, you don't need to denigrate women and call men sissies to be a tough-as-poo poo officer in the military.
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ImpAtom posted:The problem with this argument is that it boils down to "lovely people and assholes do this/did this, so it's realistic" when you're ignoring the part about it being the lovely people/rear end in a top hat part. There are plenty of people in the army, now and then, who managed to not be shitheads. There's no particular reason Captain America would need to be one, not even through realism. Ultimates was a product of it's time. They are George W Bush's Avengers. No way a cynical guy like Millar was going to make any of the characters halfway pleasant, besides maybe Thor.
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ImpAtom posted:The problem with this argument is that it boils down to "lovely people and assholes do this/did this, so it's realistic" when you're ignoring the part about it being the lovely people/rear end in a top hat part. There are plenty of people in the army, now and then, who managed to not be shitheads. There's no particular reason Captain America would need to be one, not even through realism. I'm not sure what super PC commune you grew up in where calling someone a sissy means that they are lovely people. I've literally never met a man, gay or straight, that hasn't called someone a wuss or the like. This really isn't an issue. Have I wandered into tumblr or something? Funny panel time!  Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine #2 Cousin Todd fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Vindicator posted:Basically because Captain America is supposed to stand for the best of us, not the worst. He's a guy who fights for an ideal that he embodies. And he is. Ultimate Cap, however, is an rear end in a top hat.
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Kharmakazy posted:I'm not sure what super PC commune you grew up in where calling someone a sissy means that they are lovely people. I've literally never met a man, gay or straight, that hasn't called someone a wuss or the like. This really isn't an issue. It really is PC gone mad stu.
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Phy posted:Never forget: Ladies and gentlemen, your President of the United States.
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Little Mac posted:Ladies and gentlemen, your President of the United States. Not MY President!  Marvel vs. Capcom 3
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Kharmakazy posted:I'm not sure what super PC commune you grew up in where calling someone a sissy means that they are lovely people. I've literally never met a man, gay or straight, that hasn't called someone a wuss or the like. This really isn't an issue. the dictionary posted:sis·sy If you can't figure out why this isn't a cool thing to call people in the 21st century, I don't know what to tell you. Have you wandered off reddit or something? E: For content, I can only hope this reference amused others as much as it did me. Flash is teaching Spider-man how to defeat Arcade's robot using his skills at the unauthorized Spider-man fighting game. 
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