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TheImmigrant fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Jul 9, 2013 03:26
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icantfindaname posted:Those colonies already had native civilizations that survived relatively intact and then forced out the European countries during decolonization, as opposed to the Americas where all the natives died. In other words the cultural identity of the USA and to a lesser extent South America is basically Europeans who were no longer members of actual European societies and who created new national identities, while that of Asia is still Chinese people living in China, or Indians in India. TheImmigrant posted:Colonization in Africa and Asia didn't result in mass immigration or genocide, like it did in the New World. (Algeria is one notable exception, but the vast majority of the pieds-noirs left in 1962, with independence.) (Edit: okay, genocide, yes, but not to the extent it did in North America especially.) The Westphalian model of nation-states prevalent in Europe is based on ethnicity. This model made no sense in the New World. The question is, then, why didn't Australia and New Zealand adopt similar immigration policies?
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Jul 9, 2013 03:35
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platedlizard posted:The question is, then, why didn't Australia and New Zealand adopt similar immigration policies? Actually, it is basically the same in Australia, the child just has to get to the age of 10 or one of their parents has to be a citizen or permanent resident. Between 1949 and 1986 it was the same as the US. New Zealand it was normal Jus Soli laws until 2006, when it became the same as Australia (minus the "get to age of 10" part).
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Jul 9, 2013 03:42
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Vegetable posted:Why haven't the Asian and African former colonies done the same jus soli thing though? I don't think the map shows all that much except Americans are ballers for birthright citizenship. What TheImmigrant said is in the right direction of the explanation. In the Americas (esp. vis-a-vis Spanish America), the types of proto-nationality and citizenship that existed in Europe in the sixteenth century did not work - especially with regard to claiming privileges, benefices, or public offices - for the immigrant population of the Americas and it also had to account for the native population, however diminished it had become by the mid-seventeenth century. Added to this was the complication of creoles' conflicts with individuals who were from Europe, who consequently maintained distinct privileges from creoles. This context and these conflicts created a citizenship that differed from the types of citizenship that developed after the French Revolution. Because European imperialism in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries was rather different in character from its earlier empires and also had the context of post-1790s Europe, the American notion of citizenship would not have been a natural result. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Jul 9, 2013 03:48
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platedlizard posted:The question is, then, why didn't Australia and New Zealand adopt similar immigration policies? Australia was a primarily Anglo enterprise from the start. The Whites-Only immigration they maintained until recently ("Welcome to Australia, where the local time is 1950.") reflected this, and no small amount of racism. In the US, there was a similar strong current of nativism ("No black or Irish need apply") in the 19th century, although massive immigration at the end of that century and beginning of the 20th overwhelmed that movement. The anti-immigrant (which is often in reality anti-Latino) sentiment you see today mirrors the rhetoric used against Irish/Italian/Jewish immigration a hundred years ago.
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Jul 9, 2013 04:07
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Konstantin posted:Is there really that much of a divide between eastern and western North Carolina? Yup, coastal lowlands in the east and wooded foothills in the west.
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Jul 9, 2013 05:34
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Arglebargle III posted:Yup, coastal lowlands in the east and wooded foothills in the west. The real signifying factor is the different barbecue styles that tear the state apart.
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Jul 9, 2013 05:53
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foobardog posted:The real signifying factor is the different barbecue styles that tear the state apart. edit: chopped with slaw, lunch and dinner. Cheerwine only once, in Lexington. Teriyaki Hairpiece fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Jul 9, 2013 09:12
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Reading this thread made me want to find a particular kind of map that I couldn't locate with a quick Internet search. I'd like to see what countries ban murder in general at the national level. I know that Canada does this, and that the United States does not (with some exceptions, like murdering a federal employee; that's why I'm asking in general). I mean, I'd guess that the French probably do, and the Australians probably don't, but I don't want to have to look up laws for 150+ countries. This is primarily to provide a visual baseline for how law works in different countries. I've never seen anyone try to argue that the United States is doing something wrong by not bothering to ban murder at the national level; there isn't necessarily a whole lot of point in showing that it doesn't do other things at that level either. Does this exist? I know that such a map would be similar to a federalism map, but this is different enough that I'm still interested in seeing it (a federalism map would show Canada and the US as both federal, but a murder map shows them as different).
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Jul 9, 2013 09:43
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Vegetable posted:Somebody needs to make a strategy game with this map. Board game or computer game?
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Jul 9, 2013 11:09
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 http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2011/01/24/the-united-states-of-shame-chart/ az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Jul 9, 2013 14:42
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I look at this map and wonder - what does it mean to be The Worst at using porn?
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Jul 9, 2013 14:44
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Highest porn subscription rate
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Jul 9, 2013 14:47
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^^^^^^ A_Raving_Loon posted:I look at this map and wonder - what does it mean to be The Worst at using porn? Probably this: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn-subscriptions-report-says.html?pg=all quote:Utahns, famous for their wholesomeness and frugality, buy online pornography at higher rates than the rest of America. The worst because they actually pay for online porn.
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Jul 9, 2013 14:47
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A_Raving_Loon posted:I look at this map and wonder - what does it mean to be The Worst at using porn? I'll take "most sexually repressed state" for 500 alex. Does anyone still have that link where they broke down what porno countries/states watched. edit: ahhh beaten sorta. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But yes we should all take this moment to giggle at the people who actually pay for porno. Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Jul 9, 2013 14:49
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Worst at tornadoes?
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Jul 9, 2013 14:51
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I think we can all agree that they got at least one right. Kenneth Pinyan truly was the Worst at Bestiality.
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Jul 9, 2013 15:14
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Florida is just identity theft? No way dude.
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Jul 9, 2013 15:18
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Vegetable posted:Florida is just identity theft? No way dude. They had to pick one thing. I would have gone with simply "the worst"
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Jul 9, 2013 16:09
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redscare posted:They had to pick one thing.
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Jul 9, 2013 16:47
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PrinceRandom posted:Found it! And a complementary map from the blog post that GIS took me to. The US is not getting Canada's water, you have to move here and labour in our water farms.
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Jul 9, 2013 18:14
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sbaldrick posted:The US is not getting Canada's water, you have to move here and labour in our water farms. If anything it looks like the Northern US is the sweetspot, while the confederacy and the south west is going to be having a rough time. Basically just move to Portland or Seattle.
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Jul 9, 2013 18:19
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are we even certain Florida is the worst at everything? Maybe it's just the runner up across the board (identity theft exluded), while everyone else specialize in specific things? Yes, by virtue of it being Florida.
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Jul 9, 2013 18:31
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This makes Ohio look really good.
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Jul 9, 2013 19:17
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Bringing this one over from another thread: It seems rates in border states and rich states are higher. Mississippi loses on both.
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Jul 9, 2013 20:13
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sbaldrick posted:The US is not getting Canada's water, you have to move here and labour in our water farms. I think you mean Michigan may let the rest of you labor in its water farms. 
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Jul 9, 2013 20:15
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Yeah well Canada is going to come to your house and kick your rear end.
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Jul 9, 2013 20:38
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As an American I've never really understood how jus sanguinis works. How do you prove an ethnicity? Not everyone has access to genealogical records. Semirelated content: Map from an HRW report on the Arakan riots:  The caption, which cut off for some reason posted:In June 2012, a series of violent crimes in Ramri, Toungop, and Maungdaw led to widespread violence, abuse, and displacement of Muslim communities in four townships. In the months that followed, Buddhist monks, political party operatives, and government officials organized themselves to permanently change the ethnic demographic of the state. Burma has an odd sort of jus sanguinis that doesn't recognize Rohingya as native, so a lot (most?) of them are stateless.
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Jul 9, 2013 21:19
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Syritta posted:As an American I've never really understood how jus sanguinis works. How do you prove an ethnicity? Not everyone has access to genealogical records. It's not about ethnicity, it's about citizenship, which you either have or you don't, and which shows up in modern records up to the second generation usually. Most jus sanguinis citizenships are granted on the basis that your mother or your father is a citizen of Ruritania. This happens automatically when you are born. Sometimes there's an extra requirement if your father is Ruritanian, i.e. if your father is married to your non-Ruritanian mother, it's automatic, but otherwise your father may need to sign a piece of paper affirming he's your father for you to get citizenship. It works the same way US citizenship does, except the right to jus soli citizenship does not exist on the side. One exception is children whose citizenship can not be determined at birth by jus sanguinis: they may receive jus soli citizenship, to avoid making them stateless. Some countries may grant you citizenship on application, if you can prove that you have Ruritanian ancestry, such as two Ruritanian grandparents, or if you used to have Ruritanian citizenship but lost it back when double citizenships weren't allowed. If you don't have access to any documentation, then you're SOL and have to stick to whatever citizenship you had in the first place.  The Märket skerry in the Baltic Sea, a popular tourist destination for radio amateurs since it has its own prefix. The border looks like that because the lighthouse was built by the Russian Empire in the 19th century when there were no proper maps, and then people realized the lighthouse was actually on the Swedish side of the agreed upon border. In 1985 they readjusted the border so that the division of land area remained the same but the lighthouse would be in Finnish territory.
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Jul 9, 2013 21:37
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Right. Ius sanguinis and ius soli are not necessarily mutually exclusive, and neither is the most common method of obtaining citizenship in the vast majority of countries.
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Jul 9, 2013 21:43
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That makes sense. Guess I shouldn't have let Burmese laws skew me 
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Jul 10, 2013 01:10
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How exactly is Maine the dumbest state? Do their students perform the worst or something? I thought that'd be Mississippi. Is New Hampshire's corporate tax rate the worst because it's really low or really high? And I thought that Kansas would have the most tornadoes. Massachusetts having the worst drivers is absolutely 100% accurate, however. Here in Connecticut we refer to them as "Massholes". Map:  "How Europeans see the USA". More accurate than you'd think, when I go to England to visit family and I tell their friends I live in Connecticut, they give me a blank stare until I tell them it's near New York. Florida should probably be separate though, if only for Disneyworld.
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Jul 11, 2013 17:47
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There is no way that Maine is the dumbest state by any sensible metric, but we probably shouldn't be overanalyzing a gimmicky map that is barely 'politically-loaded' to begin with.
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Jul 11, 2013 17:57
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Bishop Rodan posted:How exactly is Maine the dumbest state? Do their students perform the worst or something? I thought that'd be Mississippi. Is New Hampshire's corporate tax rate the worst because it's really low or really high? And I thought that Kansas would have the most tornadoes. The actual 2011 data's here for anyone interested: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AqduBXrlJrJxdGpLZWlxN2t0WW5zcjRua1laal9wX0E&output=html
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Jul 11, 2013 18:23
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Bishop Rodan posted:Map: New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland should be part of "New York". Florida should be it's own special area. Alaska and Hawaii don't even exist. 
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Jul 11, 2013 19:01
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Jul 11, 2013 19:04
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VirtualStranger posted:New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland should be part of "New York". Florida should be it's own special area. Alaska and Hawaii don't even exist. Yeah, i'm a Brit and this is about right, its a little shameful (though you could do something similar with Europe. Or Africa.)
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Jul 11, 2013 19:09
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People not knowing geography outside of their own continent seems to be pretty universal, really.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:12
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Koramei posted:People not knowing geography outside of their own continent seems to be pretty universal, really. Seriously, how many people know that Kazakhstan is not a fictional country made up by Sacha Cohen?
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Jul 11, 2013 20:12
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Roblo posted:Yeah, i'm a Brit and this is about right, its a little shameful (though you could do something similar with Europe. Or Africa.) If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure most of the US thinks England, the United Kingdom, and Great Britain are all completely interchangeable terms that mean the exact same thing.
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