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Captain Trips posted:I have no proof and no way to confirm it, but I'm 99% sure that Kanye sampled Steve Miller's "Fly Like An Eagle" on Guilt Trip. That little electronic crescendo you hear a couple times at the beginning, and then throughout. I thought the same thing, but it could just be a very similar synth effect and not a sample.
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setafd posted:"Real rappers is hard to find, like a remote jesus, I know right? That was the first time I'd ever heard Common. Worst introduction possible
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Jul 11, 2013 06:59
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Final version of "BlacK Skinhead" http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=iRZ2Sh5-XuM&video_start=0&audio=Oq2DVxyJcCI&audio_start=0
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Stick Figure Mafia posted:Final version of "BlacK Skinhead"  I just choked on the iced tea I was drinking. Goddamn, that was fabulous.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I thought the same thing, but it could just be a very similar synth effect and not a sample. Cue Mike Dean saying "I've never heard of Steve Miller Band, nope, definitely didn't rip it off".
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Stick Figure Mafia posted:Final version of "BlacK Skinhead" Holy poo poo the stairs at the end
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scary ghost dog posted:You don't think the juxtaposition of
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40 lbs to freedom posted:saying a thing then saying something really stupid is only "juxtaposition" if you're trying really really hard but kudos for effort i guess! Being so obtuse and anti-intellectual is probably far more effort than actually attempting to discern meaning from something rather than dismissing it, but whatever dude. 
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Jul 11, 2013 21:29
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scary ghost dog posted:You don't think the juxtaposition of Not really. Pretty good rhyme pattern for a rapper like Kanye? Yes. Saying something clever or funny with that pattern? No. Like I said earlier, it is simply an embarrassingly cornball line (not to mention offensive) that I daresay would wind up on the cutting room floor of a  (yes even for Kayne, a well known cornball)
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Jul 11, 2013 21:34
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Brett824 posted:Being so obtuse and anti-intellectual is probably far more effort than actually attempting to discern meaning from something rather than dismissing it, but whatever dude. Honestly, it would be less embarrassing if he used any other words than "Asian pussy". It would be a non sequitur, but at least I wouldn't be rolling my eyes so hard, it would just be a non sequitur to shoehorn in a multi-syllable rhyme. edit: I should mention that it is one corny line on an otherwise good and cool album, I don't think there's any need to get too hung up on it
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Jul 11, 2013 21:42
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So when's the Yeezus tour start?
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Brett824 posted:Being so obtuse and anti-intellectual is probably far more effort than actually attempting to discern meaning from something rather than dismissing it, but whatever dude. **throws hands in air....** Good Grief **exhale** the line is clever if you haven't taken down your Aqua Teen Hunger Force posters. which is to say: "it's clever but like nah". Kanye's proven to be at least marginally smarter than that before (ie "i'll hit you up maņa-- nahhh" & his severe aversion to punchline rap on MBDTF during it's peak). I mean I like Yeezus a lot, and sure he may have scored 40 in the 4th quarter, but like, even Kobe will miss a shot when he scores 40.
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Jul 11, 2013 21:49
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reflex posted:So when's the Yeezus tour start? It wouldn't surprise me if, like his collaborators Daft Punk, he didn't tour behind this new album.
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Jul 11, 2013 21:49
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I came in here looking for the new Jay Z album thread, stumbled across this but I will throw in my 2 cents and agree the album is a bit abrasive. I really liked Kanye's new album. This one is taking me a bit longer to get into.
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Jul 11, 2013 22:24
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Please note how many of the 'problematic' lines happen on one song, I'm in It. Considering the song is all about his older abrasive persona, he's doing it on purposequote:Your titties, let 'em out, free at last
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Jul 11, 2013 23:06
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Because talking about fisting someone like a civil rights sign can only get better when it's meant ironically.
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Jul 11, 2013 23:17
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Because talking about fisting someone like a civil rights sign can only get better when it's meant ironically. It's not meant "ironically," but it's definitely not meant to be shown in a positive light. I'm In It is a dark as gently caress song. He's In It, but he can't get out. He can't escape from the nightlife. It's not a positive thing. The scream at the end of that verse doesn't sound like a scream of pleasure.
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Jul 11, 2013 23:24
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Too many of you are judging Kanye as if he's a sane logical person.
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Jul 11, 2013 23:30
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Oh good, well as long as it's ironic.
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Jul 11, 2013 23:37
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theflyingexecutive posted:Oh good, well as long as it's ironic. Do you know what irony means?
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Jul 12, 2013 00:41
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Depends on what you think he was trying to do with the lyrics and song. If he's dropping lines like that to point out how stupid/crass/bad lines like that are, then I would say that's the definition of being ironic about it. Looking at it as just an illustrative part of a song about the disgust and evil of the nightlife that rappers talk about...bit murkier. I don't find them appealing, interesting or meaningful either way.
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Jul 12, 2013 00:55
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Ironically, no.
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Jul 12, 2013 00:55
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I'm In It, if you ask me, is Kanye saying "I can rap about whatever I want, and people will buy it, and I'm going to prove it with this track."
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Jul 12, 2013 01:00
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I don't think Kanye is capable of being ironic. His lyrics have always been extremely superficial.
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I think a lot of people aren't separating Kanye, the actual recording artist, from Kanye, the character/narrator. He raps pretty matter-of-factly about losing all of his money to alimony and child support a couple of times in this album and in MBDTF- and as far as I know that's never actually happened to him in real life. To me, it's the same sort of mentality that gets people thinking that Nabokov was somehow promoting pedophilia in Lolita, or that Huck Finn is racist and should be banned because it has the n-word in it a bunch. J.D. Salinger wasn't sympathetic to Holden Caulfield and he didn't write Catcher in the Rye as a manifesto for sad teenagers. Dismissing those verses as artistically bankrupt or going "oh he's trying to be ironic  " because they're ugly or abrasive reeks of laziness to me.From all of the behind-the-scenes stuff I've read, it's pretty apparent that a tremendous amount of care, work, and curation went into making this album- so the idea that some of the narration, for lack of a better term, might be deliberately "unreliable" isn't exactly far-fetched. And it doesn't mean it's pure "shock-rock" either. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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When people start forcing Asian women down to get their pussy ate with condiments or a rash of fisting starts happening, I think people need to chill with the literalizing of metaphorical lyrics. There are a lot stronger real life misogynistic raps that reflect stuff that that happens in real life that people can criticize (but that would mean listening to hiphop).
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temple posted:When people start forcing Asian women down to get their pussy ate with condiments or a rash of fisting starts happening, I think people need to chill with the literalizing of metaphorical lyrics. There are a lot stronger real life misogynistic raps that reflect stuff that that happens in real life that people can criticize (but that would mean listening to hiphop). edit: also we knew it wasn't literal because he talked about using a blackberry in 2013
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temple posted:When people start forcing Asian women down to get their pussy ate with condiments or a rash of fisting starts happening, I think people need to chill with the literalizing of metaphorical lyrics. There are a lot stronger real life misogynistic raps that reflect stuff that that happens in real life that people can criticize (but that would mean listening to hiphop). Yeah. The backlash is kind of silly, especially considering Kanye is probably one of the most progressive rappers out there. This is another lovely opinion that pissed me off recently: quote:Kanye West has never advocated raping anyone. His persistent fixation on conquering white women -- the lure of white women, injuring white men via their women, etc. -- is troublingly retrograde for a multimillionaire who some consider to be the harbinger of a neo-Black Power movement. It ultimately gives lie to the fact that Kanye sees himself as "a god," as he claims on Yeezus, or, as he told Jon Caramanica in that winding New York Times interview, that he is "so credible and so influential and so relevant." I've yet to see a black man who is truly confident in his human worth and his power spend time crowing about ejaculating onto white chicks. What's more, what does it yield West in the end? As Kiese Laymon asked the other day: "Do you think the white men who run these corporations you're critiquing really give a gently caress about you dissing, loving, fisting, choking white women?" cool. whitey will get mildly angry about misogynistic rappers but when they start coming for their white women really poo poo starts getting bad? there's more here: http://kottke.org/13/06/the-troublingly-retrograde-yeezus
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Hey guys what's going on in this th--  Edit: In all seriousness, "sour sauce" aside, I think I'm In It is the darkest and maybe most effective song on the album. Professor Funk fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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I look at the Asian pussy line as the same. As long as rappers are denigrating black women and instructing them on what do with parts of their anatomy, no one cares. Childish Gambino and Kanye writes some lines about Asian women and its full stop on the misogyny train. I recognize the prickly porcupine nature of white writers criticizing black media. You see it with Tyler Perry. He is finally getting mainstream disapproval but only because of his portrayal of AIDS as being a sinner's disease. AIDS was an 'in' to address all the other dumb stuff in Perry's movies. I think the key is praising good artists and then criticizing the bad ones. You won't find that in a lot of reviews of Kanye's Yeezus. Or you will find people praising the same circle of artists (Kweli, Mos Def/Yaasin Bey, Roots, Common). There are ways to criticize hiphop artists (the artists specifically not the whole genre) without coming off as a racist as long as you actually listen to hiphop. het posted:I think the issue isn't really misogyny per se, but that it seemed particularly corny/immature. Fayez Butts posted:Yeah. The backlash is kind of silly, especially considering Kanye is probably one of the most progressive rappers out there. Nobody remembers this Kanye  quote:"I'm still trying to get over my own homophobia. I still wouldn't feel comfortable at a gay bar. I wouldn't go to a gay parade. I don't know if I'm in favor of gay marriage or not. People said to me, 'Were you scared of speaking out against George Bush?' No. The bravest thing I did this year was speaking out against homophobia. That's a scarier topic, because if you bring it up, people think you must be gay. But you don't have to be gay to not gay-bash. We're a very close-minded people." This is one of my favorite songs. He might be talking about women in the song but really, everyone feels that way at some point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQwd9dxZTn0
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temple posted:Mayonnaise colored Benz, I push Miracle Whips edit: I of course agree with your point that there's more scrutiny when rappers direct their misogyny towards white women/away from black women, and that that's lovely and wrong and should be addressed, don't get me wrong. het fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Jul 12, 2013 04:28
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Imagine a parallel universe where Kanye did Rick Ross' verse on UOENO. Tumblr would crash.
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het posted:I don't really think that's a bad line? Like it's actually a pun, I don't think there's an actual joke to the Asian pussy line. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Scorched Spitz posted:It's playing off the stereotype that Chinese people eat cats. Asians eat dogs not cats poo poo is a stretch Stretch like an anus I'm in it and I can't get out
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Fayez Butts posted:This is another lovely opinion that pissed me off recently: It's interesting that you bring this up, because anybody who has even a basic understanding of 20th Century American history and race relations should understand the dead obvious historical connotation here. The sexualization of "virile, animalistic" black men, the exoticization of black women, and the fear of miscegenation- most especially of black men taking white women- has historically formed a major cornerstone of white racist ideology toward African Americans since the institution of the North American slave trade. It's a major thematic element in media like Birth of a Nation and people like James Baldwin wrote extensively on the subject- to name a few. So either Kanye's horribly regressive and childish for trying to bait people with the whole "I'm gonna get me some white women" thing, or he's deliberately pushing a button that historically (and still today) has carried a great deal of weight within racial politics. I wonder which one it might be...  It's the same thing with sampling "Strange Fruit"- one of the most politically significant songs of the 20th Century, which is literally about a lynching. Does anybody really think that it's an accident or that he doesn't know any better? I wonder what's more unbelieveable: that some enfant-terrible rapper would just publicly fixate on white women as a status symbol, or that the son of a Black Panther and a university professor would be aware enough of American history and race relations to know which buttons to press when making an art object about his own place within American culture? Is it more unrealistic to assume that Kanye stuck some horribly off-putting verses in an exhaustively revised album that he worked on for months with some seriously talented, thoughtful, and intelligent people out of laziness or that the son of the chairwoman of a university's English & literature department would be capable of incorporating a fairly basic literary tool in his writing? I'm pretty sure that Yeezy's a bit smarter than some of the people in this thread are giving him credit for. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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het posted:I don't really think that's a bad line? Like it's actually a pun, I don't think there's an actual joke to the Asian pussy line. The joke is that the line beforehand gives the impression of a sensitive, sympathetic guy who has failed to find love many times and then he contrasts it with the most stupid, sexual, cliched bullshit imaginable. It isn't subtle at all and the amount of people who genuinely still believe Kanye is this stupid buffoon who doesn't know what he's doing is astounding. Or basically: the post above me is right about everything
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Brett824 posted:Being so obtuse and anti-intellectual is probably far more effort than actually attempting to discern meaning from something rather than dismissing it, but whatever dude. except back in the day when kanye would release some stupid poo poo instead of strapping on their monocle to "discern meaning" people would just admit to themselves their favorite rapper made a whoopsie. when kanye put out drunk and hot girls no one was talking about "juxtaposition" or breaking out their numerology books or talking about black history professors or whatever holy gently caress
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I don't think you need a have a deep critical understanding of the song to understand that he's not just saying that line because he thinks it's funny
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The whole point of that first verse of that song is that is about how Kanye is ashamed of the way he treats sex. He is constantly flip flopping from belittling it to playing it up. The line is goofy and racist, but it does serve a purpose and he probably knew exactly what he was doing.
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One thing I'll say for Yeezus that really puts it over for me: It's concise. There might be tracks I don't like but there's absolutely no fat on the thing. It's what I also liked about Action Bronsons' SAAB Stories. You can sit down and enjoy the entire thing and when it's over you want just a bit more and it doesn't feel like an undertaking to listen to every track in order. MBDTF is the better album in my eyes but I'm guessing I'll end up listening to Yeezus front to back waaaaay more. Edit: My new favorite description of this album (from a friend): "This is what Alec Empire circa 2000 wished rap sounded like" Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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