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Lexicon posted:Wow, pretty significant Koodo pricing changes today: https://shop.koodomobile.com/plans/plans/index.html Hahaha, poo poo, glad I got my plan ordered the day before this happened. Although if it turns out this also applies to existing plans... It'll be the shortest run I've had on a carrier!  Edit: All the cheaper base plans also increased by $5 each, with zero change in content. What a bunch of twats. Jan fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jul 15, 2013 |
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I am never letting go of my 6GB/$30 addon holy loving poo poo.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I am never letting go of my 6GB/$30 addon holy loving poo poo. Also: Telus prices  http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/07/15/telus-to-increase-prices-as-it-moves-to-two-year-plans/ Edit: Durr posted on the last page. Here's bell's new plans: http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/07/15/heres-bells-new-monthly-rate-plans-voice-voice-and-data-lite-and-voice-and-data-plus/
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Jesus christ, those are so ridiculous - who the gently caress would pay that much for that little of data. Even regular people should loving gasp at that.
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Jul 15, 2013 17:43
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It's amazing. All that should have changed for carriers from the shorter contracts is phone subsidies. Instead, they... increase cost of all their plans? Logic!  I'd really like to see a comparative graph of plans vs. price over the years for different countries. Canada would be going up.
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Do the new data saver rates on Koodo apply to existing accounts that use data saver, or only when you switch your plan? I'm on Virgin's pay per use data and I'm considering a preemptive switch to bundled data before we get an "industry standard" adjustment.
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ZShakespeare posted:Do the new data saver rates on Koodo apply to existing accounts that use data saver, or only when you switch your plan? I'm on Virgin's pay per use data and I'm considering a preemptive switch to bundled data before we get an "industry standard" adjustment. If you're not already on Koodo, I think you're too late. For those who already are on Koodo, I did just swing by their kiosk and asked if I would still have the old data saver rates, even though it's not really "part" of the plan... Take this with a grain of salt, but I'm told I would keep them. I will still be watching my first invoice like a hawk.
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Holy poo poo those are brutal! I'm going to hold onto this $60 6GB Canada wide thing as long as I can.. but technically I guess it's only a matter of time now since Koodo is month to month.. They could just technically bump me to some retarded plan whenever they wanted, couldn't they?
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According to FB: "Honestly, if the devices cost $500+ to buy them outright, then what did we all expect with this CRTC 3yr ban? The money needs to be made from the original purchase of the device. If you have your own devices or buy them out, the prices for the plans will decrease. I'm sure this is only to make back the cost of the devices. Sorry, this CRTC 2yr plan is a good idea, but there was no loving way the cost would have stayed the same. What did we all honestly expect? CRTC should ban high costs of cell phones. That way it's more affordable. gently caress this CRTC bullshit, I was never happy with it to begin. Sorry for the rant." "Yes the device is paid off within a year (depending on the model), but they do have to make money as well. To employ people, like myself, in tech support/sales, for upgrades/repairs that are needed for the network and towers, technicians to fix/install/repair towers... I understand the CRTC are trying to help, but then we could all argue against all companies re: huge markups. Like manufacturing glasses. There is a HUGE markup for what they really pay to what our customers pay. Lenscrafters charge the highest (my sunglasses were shy of a thousand bucks) where the material cost them was dollars...and they're becoming dominant. It's unfortunate as this world will only become worse in time."
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Vintersorg posted:If you have your own devices or buy them out, the prices for the plans will decrease. I want what this guy is smoking.
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Does anyone have a cogent explanation for the prevalence of this absurd subsidy model in cellular? It's far from a Canadian-only concept, so we can't simply blame Canada's docile consumers. I can't think of another market where this odd coupling of device and service goes on. No one expects their cable company to chip in for, and directly sell, televisions. I get that these things are expensive and progress is swift, but so is the case with computers (especially historically). And if financing is really that big of a deal - well, tire leasing is apparently now a thing - so if finance industry can manage that one, it should also be able to find a way to finance phones outside of a carrier setting. I feel like most of the abuses in this market would go away if only device sales were divorced from service, and switching costs were lower.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I want what this guy is smoking. No kidding. The only indication of plan discounts for BYOD are tablets.
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Godinster posted:No kidding. The only indication of plan discounts for BYOD are tablets. Telus does have that $35 for BYOD, but it doesn't go into detail.
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Lexicon posted:Does anyone have a cogent explanation for the prevalence of this absurd subsidy model in cellular? It's far from a Canadian-only concept, so we can't simply blame Canada's docile consumers. Businesses know this and take advantage of it. Our government has zero consumer protection and is controlled entirely by industry so they let them exploit consumers.
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cowofwar posted:People are really bad at long-term thinking. They will spend $1000 over three years in order to not have to pay $200 now because they compare the $25 payment to the $200 payment rather than the $1000 payment to the $200 payment. Yeah, I totally get this. What I don't get is why we don't see more of it elsewhere in the economy. Obviously bad deals abound (e.g. payday lending in its entirety, or the unit cost of toilet paper at Shoppers versus Costco), but I don't know of any other examples where the linkage of a service and a product is such a dominant paradigm.
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Maybe this was just an American thing, but as I recall you sued to have to rent telephones themselves from AT&T, not just pay for the landline itself. I bring this up to effectively say "'twas ever thus", because telephones are almost-but-not-quite unique in how utterly useless they are WITHOUT that ongoing service contract, and so it has always made a certain amount of intuitive sense to tie initial sale and initial service together. Add "people value short-term profit over long term" and "businesses like money" and you have the recipe for inertia. Obviously the part about phones being useless without that ongoing service is less true now than it's ever been, but we (general we here) still think of our smartphones as phones rather than the PDAs they actually are and so we are still stuck with the accompanying habits of thought.
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Lexicon posted:Does anyone have a cogent explanation for the prevalence of this absurd subsidy model in cellular? It's far from a Canadian-only concept, so we can't simply blame Canada's docile consumers. Remember that TVs started out with free service via an antenna and over the air transmission. Cable services came into the game fairly late, when people were already used to spending a pile of money up front for a TV. And like Dallan said, phones were useless without a service contract, so were traditionally sold/rented with that in mind. As a result we get to pick and choose our TV hardware but get the shaft when it comes to phones.
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Dallan Invictus posted:Maybe this was just an American thing, but as I recall you sued to have to rent telephones themselves from AT&T, not just pay for the landline itself. I bring this up to effectively say "'twas ever thus", because telephones are almost-but-not-quite unique in how utterly useless they are WITHOUT that ongoing service contract, and so it has always made a certain amount of intuitive sense to tie initial sale and initial service together. Add "people value short-term profit over long term" and "businesses like money" and you have the recipe for inertia. Yeah that was in Canada too. I think it wasn't until they split up Ma Bell in the 80's that you were finally able to purchase a land line phone separate from the service.
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terriyaki posted:Holy poo poo those are brutal! The one saving grace is no, they can't. It's illegal in Canada to unilaterally change cellular phone contracts without express consent of the paying customer. This includes month to month.
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Has Rogers come out with theirs yet?Squibbles posted:Yeah that was in Canada too. I think it wasn't until they split up Ma Bell in the 80's that you were finally able to purchase a land line phone separate from the service. It was a huge deal at my house when we got the phone with the LCD display.
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grack posted:The one saving grace is no, they can't. It's illegal in Canada to unilaterally change cellular phone contracts without express consent of the paying customer. This includes month to month. Thank you, baby Jesus!
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gently caress, now I am thinking that I should just sign a 3 year contract now to try and keep a reasonable rate. I'd be looking at $100/month for 2 lines, shared 6GB data, unlimited calling, and I could grab a couple phones on the subsidy to resell later.
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Don't do anything hasty. It won't stand.... This is posturing.
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Telus says their new two-year plans are better value despite higher prices, no joke. Here is their homework: quote:Multiple subscribers: Yes. Their own calculations show that a single subscriber pays an extra $120 over two years but it's a good deal because uhh something about new CRTC rules for 'bill shock' aka price gouging for roaming, or something. Yeah I don't know. Also, you know, they're 85 goddamn dollars per month. My mobilicity plan will cost under 40 spreading the ~$360 cost of a Nexus 4 over 48 months.
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Does anyone here have any experience with breaking a contract through moving internationally? My 3 year plan is reaching its end and I need to renew and get a new phone. There's a solid chance however that I'd be moving to Europe at some point within one to two years, which obviously has me somewhat hesitant to commit to another plan, as great as the discount on the hardware would be. Anyone know the rules around this? Is there an easy out if I do move (ex: just paying off the balance on the phone...)
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Cart posted:Is there an easy out if I do move (ex: just paying off the balance on the phone...) No. Under the new CRTC rules, then you'll only have to pay the balance on your phone that hasn't been subsidized, but in the meantime earlier contracts still have arbitrary random cancellation fees.
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Unless you live in Quebec, where that has already been the law for a while now.
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Jan posted:No. This is actually incorrect, it depends when the contract was signed. Telus and Fido both currently allow you to cancel a contract by paying off your remaining device subsidy, I'm unsure about the other carriers.
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It'll be interesting to see which carrier ends up being the best for low-voice-usage, data-heavy, BYOD customers once all of this shakes out. That crown used to belong to Koodo, but they've almost certainly lost it already.
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grack posted:This is actually incorrect, it depends when the contract was signed. Telus and Fido both currently allow you to cancel a contract by paying off your remaining device subsidy, I'm unsure about the other carriers. Rogers too. If you signed up after the policy took effect (Jan 26, 2012, iirc) you pay the pro-rated amount of the hardware subsidy you received.
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WienerDog posted:Rogers too. If you signed up after the policy took effect (Jan 26, 2012, iirc) you pay the pro-rated amount of the hardware subsidy you received. I renewed before then so I think I owe them my left nut plus $1000 to cancel.
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Question, is this the thread we can use to talk about the almost monopoly of ISPs in Canada? Cause even though I'm with teksavvy, I got hosed by rogers today
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This, plus the stuff in the Toronto thread today makes me want to pick up and move back to Europe 
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bunnyofdoom posted:Question, is this the thread we can use to talk about the almost monopoly of ISPs in Canada? Cause even though I'm with teksavvy, I got hosed by rogers today You want this thread.
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If you're currently in a three year term and are considering changing your plan, do it now. With Bell, and possibly with other carriers, your rate plan is associated with your contract length. After July 31, we won't have any 36 month contracts anymore. Meaning that if you want to change your plan and you are already in a 36 month term, you will not have any 36 month term plans to pick from (they wouldn't have renewed your contract) and therefore must pick a 24 month plan, which will cut a year out of your contract, and charge you some amount of termination fee. If you are doing an upgrade, this will not happen. This new poo poo is still pretty confusing right now so I'll update if I learn anything new.
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And if you're currently looking to change your plan, you should do it now anyway because from what I've seen everything will cost a lot more in less than a month, particularly compared to what it cost here in Québec, where you could have a 60$ plan with unlimited canada-wide calling, caller ID, voicemail, messaging, and 3GB with pretty much any carrier.
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