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H.P. Hovercraft posted:that's cool now google how much a physics or engineering phd can make in finance that's fine if you want a job completely unrelated to your degree most people don't
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Proteus4994 posted:their budget is getting gutted weekly (same with darpa) so it's even worse than it used to be if america's robot killing machines are going to be more futurama than terminator i'm in
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guess what percentage of ivy postgrad STEM degree holders are hoovered into finance it's certainly not small Cream_Filling posted:cardiologist has way more school/training to pay for exactly and that's what nasa has to compete with i'm very not happy about it
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Proteus4994 posted:that's fine if you want a job completely unrelated to your degree if you are math guy you will still be doing math stuff just getting paid $200k base to do it. plus bonuses.
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Jul 17, 2013 20:40
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also 70 hour weeks which is totally different from academiahahahahaha
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:But before you polish up your resume, NASA isn't loosening its standards. You must have at least a bachelor's degree – most astronauts have a master's or a doctorate – in engineering, biological science, physical science or math. You must learn Russian, but be a U.S. citizen. You must know basic physics. Being a medical doctor or a teacher helps. You must have vision that can be corrected to 20/20, no high blood pressure and be between 5 foot 2 inches and 6 foot 3 inches. i've heard the astronaut corps is super straight-laced these days and that NASA basically won't accept anyone who admits to being actually enthused about possibly going to space. they basically want those loving honors student kids who just see 'astronaut' as another bullet point on their cv. also is that just for the scientist-astronauts? usually the astronaut corps has a gigantic hardon for military pilots.
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when the americans came back from mir, the doctors wanted to study the effects of long-term spaceflight (b/c the russians never really gave a crap about it and admitted they had just been using our old skylab data) and wanted the returning astronauts to stay still and not get up when the shuttle landed. the hilarious thing is that contrary to initial expectations, the presumably macho military pilots were the guys who were the best at doing what they were told, and it was some of the scientist-astronauts who tried to be macho and "walk off of the shuttle" despite it totally skewing their medical data.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:also 70 hour weeks which is totally different from academiahahahahaha nobody does this in my department in oz, and yet our output is fantastic. it's liek they actually believe in a 40 hour work week here
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Blackula69 posted:lol gently caress yourself, middle class update since the last time this graph was posted: I still hate it here 
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last I heard Americans work almost the most hours [second to hong kong] but are average in productivity
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see also: medical/educational spending & results
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qirex posted:last I heard Americans work almost the most hours [second to hong kong] but are average in productivity i spend like two or three hours a day working
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true facts: on my last trip back to america it became even more blatantly obvious to me that working class americans are mostly miserable, angry people
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Trig Discipline posted:nobody does this in my department in oz, and yet our output is fantastic. it's liek they actually believe in a 40 hour work week here i sometimes wonder how brutally they would crush a ta/student researcher union
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the rich ones are miserable and angry all the itme too hth
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Al! posted:i spend like two or three hours a day working same if not less i'm definitely v good at looking like i'm busy and actually producing design through a combination of delegation and my bosses not knowing how much labor some things require nowadays
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Trig Discipline posted:true facts: on my last trip back to america it became even more blatantly obvious to me that working class americans are mostly miserable, angry people Oh man I'm excited for you to aeropress tomorrow you better not use lovely beans like a dumb idiot though.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:same if not less working for aging bureaucrats is the best because they still think things take as much time as they did when everything was done by hand
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:when the americans came back from mir, the doctors wanted to study the effects of long-term spaceflight (b/c the russians never really gave a crap about it and admitted they had just been using our old skylab data) and wanted the returning astronauts to stay still and not get up when the shuttle landed. idk why that's surprising. of course the military pilots are gonna be more disciplined.
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Al! posted:working for aging bureaucrats is the best because they still think things take as much time as they did when everything was done by hand i asked the ww2 vet in my office how long plans took to produce when it was all by hand he told me that you could expect ~10 hours for one sheet depending on how much lettering there was
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Cream_Filling posted:the rich ones are miserable and angry all the itme too hth No I'm not 
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i sometimes wonder how brutally they would crush a ta/student researcher union I'm in one, I get an almost living wage and health insurance And like 4% off cell phone plans and public transport or something stupid
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i sometimes wonder how brutally they would crush a ta/student researcher union university of california has a grad student union, it's part of uaw. seems kinda toothless, though.
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Al! posted:working for aging bureaucrats is the best because they still think things take as much time as they did when everything was done by hand this is why i love my boss.
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dur posted:VERY MISLEADING needs to be log and start at 20k
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i'm definitely v good at looking like i'm busy and actually producing design through a combination of delegation and my bosses not knowing how much labor some things require nowadays yospos bicth
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theflyingexecutive posted:I'm in one, I get an almost living wage and health insurance Trig Discipline posted:university of california has a grad student union, it's part of uaw. seems kinda toothless, though. holy poo poo i had no idea these even existed 
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lol literally like every TA/part-time prof/prof in Ontario is part of a union
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i asked the ww2 vet in my office how long plans took to produce when it was all by hand conversely in ww2 aircraft were designed, tested, built, fought with, and obsoleted in less time than it's taken them to make the f-22 capable of flying across the international date line alright there's a difference when you're talking proven technology vs. cutting-edge but the sr-71 went from requirement to first flight in two and a half years and foc less than a year after that, with every last component designed with pen and paper if it hadn't been for the soviet near-monopoly on titanium mining and pratt and whitney dawdling with the engine production you could have probably knocked 6-8 months off that timescale too
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yeah but i always wonder about stuff like how expendable test pilots were during ww2 vs today i mean you can make the argument that with cad modeling and design tech like that having been around for awhile now that we might've already designed all of the "easy" stuff and now it takes more effort to improve existing designs but really i think a lot of it comes down to cya stuff and testing in the modern world and y'know funneling money into contractors' asses
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:yeah but i always wonder about stuff like how expendable test pilots were during ww2 vs today it's all that last one also the f-22 has killed more of its own pilots than it has, or ever will, killed enemy combatants
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actually to expand on that more, the f-22 isn't even particularly novel - almost everything on it is well-proven technology. the sr-71 (and the spitfire for that matter) were literally at the very boundaries of what it was possible to do with materials, engines, aerodynamics, even fuel and coolant technology. it is literally because the procurement model for anything shoot-bangs, but particularly winged shoot-bangs, is "here is a requirement pulled directly out of tom clancy's fevered brow, who can make it for us?" "we'll do it, and we'll build it in your district too, and it will cost only a billion dollars" ten years pass "oh hey it'll actually cost 20 billion dollars but if you don't give us the money we'll close down our plant and gently caress your chances of re-election forever, also rush limbaugh will call you a pussy who wants the chinese to come over and steal all our poo poo, plus have you considered joining our board of directors once you leave politics?"
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goddamnedtwisto posted:it's all that last one a shoddily built house cries a single tear
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syscall girl posted:one loving inch t
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ripoff of memes thats impressive as poo poo
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its not a meme if nobody has ever heard of it ever
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Al! posted:its not a meme if nobody has ever heard of it ever it's yet another kickstarter about to get a massive smackdown from tard cats owners
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goddamnedtwisto posted:it's yet another kickstarter about to get a massive smackdown from tard cats owners wait when did this happen before
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Yodzilla posted:wait when did this happen before maybe it wasn't a kickstarter but someone was trying to sell merchandise for "frowny cat" or something and got smacked down, then changed it to "unhappy cat" and got smacked down, repeat ad nauseum
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