Canadian Politics Megathread: That is simply not Trudeau

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MikeSevigny: Aug 6, 2002; Habs 2006: Cristobal Persuasion

They won't fold MSP premiums back into the tax system as long as people don't treat premiums as taxes. The CTF does but nobody really listens to them, so Christy can happily jack up premiums every year forever, just like with hydro.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 02:27

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 07:56

Mrs. Wynand: Nov 23, 2002; DLT 4EVA

HookShot posted:

Right now my current beef with the BC Government and MSP is that it doesn't cover physiotherapy, unless it's a WCB claim (or ICBC, they apparently refund you).

I tore the meniscus in my knee skiing and while I wait for an appointment from an orthopedic surgeon to see if I'll need surgery (two weeks and still waiting for the call! (But I also doubt I'll need surgery)) I'm on weekly physiotherapy appointments to help drain the fluid from my knee and so that it will heal properly.

Now, I don't have a financial problem paying $50 a week for a couple of months. It's not going to send me broke. But I can absolutely see how it would do so to a lot of people, and we're talking about a significant improvement in my quality of life since going to the physio. I can now almost walk like a normal person for the first time in weeks.

I know it's only $10 to low income families, but even those making $35000 a year or so, I can absolutely see that kind of thing being a hardship, and it's a damned shame it's not covered, because it should be.

Well you know, working legs are part of the many cosmetic luxury body parts, like teeth and eyeballs.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 02:33

Huge Liability: Mar 2, 2010

Helsing posted:

Angry Rant income

I felt this way when I read this joke survey yesterday. I mean, at least it alludes to some issues, but it's so poorly executed and unfunny. It whittles problems down to a bunch of shallow, half-asses pledges, implies that only an rear end in a top hat would've voted for Harper in 2011 (way to reach out to people!), and generally makes the NDP look petty and bitter. This is apparently the image the NDP wants to project right now, because it's the first time in a very long time that I've seen anything shared from the NDP website, and no less than four NDP-related pages I follow shared it yesterday.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 02:43

The Dark One: Aug 19, 2005; I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

HookShot posted:

Right now my current beef with the BC Government and MSP is that it doesn't cover physiotherapy, unless it's a WCB claim (or ICBC, they apparently refund you).

I tore the meniscus in my knee skiing and while I wait for an appointment from an orthopedic surgeon to see if I'll need surgery (two weeks and still waiting for the call! (But I also doubt I'll need surgery)) I'm on weekly physiotherapy appointments to help drain the fluid from my knee and so that it will heal properly.

Now, I don't have a financial problem paying $50 a week for a couple of months. It's not going to send me broke. But I can absolutely see how it would do so to a lot of people, and we're talking about a significant improvement in my quality of life since going to the physio. I can now almost walk like a normal person for the first time in weeks.

I know it's only $10 to low income families, but even those making $35000 a year or so, I can absolutely see that kind of thing being a hardship, and it's a damned shame it's not covered, because it should be.

OHIP only covers physiotherapy for minors, seniors and those who've been hospitalized, so I'm hoping that my doc is right when he thinks I've only nicked my meniscus.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 02:48

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

The Dark One posted:

OHIP only covers physiotherapy for minors, seniors and those who've been hospitalized, so I'm hoping that my doc is right when he thinks I've only nicked my meniscus.

Well, the way to tell for sure is to get an MRI, but if your doc doesn't think you need one, you're probably fine (note: I am definitely not a doctor).

If it helps, my physio told me if you've got a ton of swelling that's limiting your range of motion, go on the exercise bike on the lowest resistance and move your knee around slowly, lowering the seat as much as possible. I went from not being able to do a single full rotation to being able to do it on the lowest level in two days thanks to that.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 02:57

Sovy Kurosei: Oct 9, 2012

Helsing posted:

Angry Rant income

Anecdotally I find the Conservatives are much, much more effective at using the internet to get support and money than the NDP. Is it just my one off experiences the exception or are the Conservatives really better at 'winning the internets' than the Liberals/NDP?

It is just very odd to find a party have a better online game plan than the others when it caters to the stereotypical old, white men who yell at a computer when their remote control doesn't turn it on. :psyduck:

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:00

Alctel: Jan 16, 2004; I love snails

Sovy Kurosei posted:

Anecdotally I find the Conservatives are much, much more effective at using the internet to get support and money than the NDP. Is it just my one off experiences the exception or are the Conservatives really better at 'winning the internets' than the Liberals/NDP?

It is just very odd to find a party have a better online game plan than the others when it caters to the stereotypical old, white men who yell at a computer when their remote control doesn't turn it on.

The conservatives are shitloads better at reaching segments of the population and micro-focusing messaging onto them, and when I say shitloads better, I mean in a different league.

They also seem to handle the media a lot better - can you imagine what would happen if an NDP government tried half the poo poo this lot pulled?

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:04

Team THEOLOGY: Nov 27, 2008

Here I fixed it for you.

Sovy Kurosei posted:

Anecdotally I find the Conservatives are much, much more effective at getting support and money than the NDP.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:07

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

infernal machines posted:

In ONDP news, the potential lawsuit against ONDP/Giambrone has been dropped. No actual info on the questionable votes has been released but Amarjeet Kaur Chhabra has decided to drop it after speaking to her counsel.

http://torontoist.com/2013/07/scarborough-guildwood-ndp-runner-up-abandons-legal-challenge/

So a backroom deal to resurrect the political career of an NDP insider that became the poster child for a huge scandal? Did loving nobody in Ontario pay attention to what just went down in BC?

God I loathe the NDP some days. Most days. Generally every day.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:10

Mrs. Wynand: Nov 23, 2002; DLT 4EVA

Huge Liability posted:

I felt this way when I read this joke survey yesterday. I mean, at least it alludes to some issues, but it's so poorly executed and unfunny. It whittles problems down to a bunch of shallow, half-asses pledges, implies that only an rear end in a top hat would've voted for Harper in 2011 (way to reach out to people!), and generally makes the NDP look petty and bitter. This is apparently the image the NDP wants to project right now, because it's the first time in a very long time that I've seen anything shared from the NDP website, and no less than four NDP-related pages I follow shared it yesterday.

That was thoroughly depressing.

The fact that that exists, I mean.

I want to lead a faction of violent radfem anarchist to just shut down the internal inner workings of the NDP until everyone involved in this dies of old age.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:16

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

Huge Liability posted:

I felt this way when I read this joke survey yesterday. I mean, at least it alludes to some issues, but it's so poorly executed and unfunny. It whittles problems down to a bunch of shallow, half-asses pledges, implies that only an rear end in a top hat would've voted for Harper in 2011 (way to reach out to people!), and generally makes the NDP look petty and bitter. This is apparently the image the NDP wants to project right now, because it's the first time in a very long time that I've seen anything shared from the NDP website, and no less than four NDP-related pages I follow shared it yesterday.

This is actually quite appalling. Wow.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:37

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

mr. unhsib posted:

So a backroom deal to resurrect the political career of an NDP insider that became the poster child for a huge scandal? Did loving nobody in Ontario pay attention to what just went down in BC?

God I loathe the NDP some days. Most days. Generally every day.

When youve had to deal with everything from Bob Rae to Dalton McGuinty to Mike Harris, this kind of thing really doesnt even register anymore.

Ontario politics, the lowest bar. :smith:

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:44

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Huge Liability posted:

I felt this way when I read this joke survey yesterday. I mean, at least it alludes to some issues, but it's so poorly executed and unfunny. It whittles problems down to a bunch of shallow, half-asses pledges, implies that only an rear end in a top hat would've voted for Harper in 2011 (way to reach out to people!), and generally makes the NDP look petty and bitter. This is apparently the image the NDP wants to project right now, because it's the first time in a very long time that I've seen anything shared from the NDP website, and no less than four NDP-related pages I follow shared it yesterday.

I'm sure that second last question is going to sway a lot of swing voters!

# ? Jul 19, 2013 03:49

Quantum Mechanic: Apr 25, 2010; Just another fuckwit who thrives on fake moral outrage.
Waaaah the Christians are out to get me

lol abbottsgonnawin

mr. unhsib posted:

This is actually quite appalling. Wow.

If this is an example of a dysfunctional party being petty and appalling, I envy Canadian politics so goddamn much you can't even believe it.

For reference, this is an example of an actual, official, paid-for ad released by one of the two major parties in Australian politics as part of our current election campaign.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 06:42

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

That was really well-animated.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 13:38

Sovy Kurosei: Oct 9, 2012

We've had a really poorly animated puffin pooping on Stephan Dion.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 13:48

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

mr. unhsib posted:

So a backroom deal to resurrect the political career of an NDP insider that became the poster child for a huge scandal? Did loving nobody in Ontario pay attention to what just went down in BC?

God I loathe the NDP some days. Most days. Generally every day.

I'm so excited to bring it up on my weekly fundraising call. I'm also tweeting Horwath about it everytime i get forwarded one of her messages by my local riding. Also considering writing a letter. ONDP needs to know this poo poo doesn't fly with progressive voters.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 13:49

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

I've noticed some people really hate the ONDP.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 14:08

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

The BCNDP certainly has my hate right now. Why do they dash everyone's hopes at every chance?

# ? Jul 19, 2013 14:10

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Baloogan posted:

I've noticed some people really hate the ONDP.

I have been politically involved in the Toronto area for ~15 years, 5 of those as a street level organizer. My experience with ONDP, the young people they groom for candidates and the orgs they hire to canvass on their behalf (ACORN Canada I believe is their current go to) has been nothing short of atrocious. They run assholes for candidates and generally pander to unions whose membership don't vote for them. All the while neglecting real boots on the ground activism, except to jump in late on successful activist campaigns so they can share in the credit. All in all, a shameful progressive party.

e: I should also add I think (I'm an optimist, OK?) they are about to have their vote split into irrelevancy by the new Socialist Party of Ontario, if not in this election then the next one. My opinions about ONDP are not marginal and most people I know are tired of holding their nose to vote.

Reince Penis fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jul 19, 2013

# ? Jul 19, 2013 14:28

JohnnyCanuck: May 28, 2004; Strong And/Or Free

So who wants to buy ~~Detroit~~North Windsor?

# ? Jul 19, 2013 15:31

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

Quantum Mechanic posted:

If this is an example of a dysfunctional party being petty and appalling, I envy Canadian politics so goddamn much you can't even believe it.

For reference, this is an example of an actual, official, paid-for ad released by one of the two major parties in Australian politics as part of our current election campaign.

I meant more that it was poorly done and ineffective, not mean-spirited.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 15:32

The Dark One: Aug 19, 2005; I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

Sovy Kurosei posted:

We've had a really poorly animated puffin pooping on Stephan Dion.

Just imagine if the PUCAPAB video had been properly annimated. :allears:

# ? Jul 19, 2013 15:47

Lumius: Nov 24, 2004; Superior Awesome Sucks

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I have been politically involved in the Toronto area for ~15 years, 5 of those as a street level organizer. My experience with ONDP, the young people they groom for candidates and the orgs they hire to canvass on their behalf (ACORN Canada I believe is their current go to) has been nothing short of atrocious. They run assholes for candidates and generally pander to unions whose membership don't vote for them. All the while neglecting real boots on the ground activism, except to jump in late on successful activist campaigns so they can share in the credit. All in all, a shameful progressive party.

e: I should also add I think (I'm an optimist, OK?) they are about to have their vote split into irrelevancy by the new Socialist Party of Ontario, if not in this election then the next one. My opinions about ONDP are not marginal and most people I know are tired of holding their nose to vote.

have you ever worked with the york west ONDP candidate? He seems like a pretty good guy , comes out to tree planting events etc in the area and loving LOVES boardgames.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 16:34

The Dark One: Aug 19, 2005; I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/18/f-35-controversy-rears-its-head-as-national-defence-refuses-to-release-info-on-more-multi-billion-dollar-projects/

quote:

OTTAWA � National Defence has refused to release information about four troubled, multibillion-dollar military projects to Parliament�s budget watchdog, prompting concerns the department and Conservative government have failed to learn from the F-35 controversy.

The Parliamentary Budget Office asked Defence officials in February to provide cost estimates and planning documents for new armed Arctic patrol ships after opposition MPs asked the PBO to look into the actual costs of the project. Prime Minister Stephen Harper promised between six and eight patrol ships for $3.1 billion in 2006, but the project has since faced several delays and there are fears the government will either have to increase the budget or build far fewer vessels. Yet in a response letter dated June 25 and published on the PBO website Wednesday, the Defence Department�s top civilian, Richard Fadden, wrote that the cost estimates were secret and would not be released. Statements of requirement, which are created for all military procurement projects so the government knows what the Canadian Forces needs, were public documents under previous governments.

National Defence also provided the PBO access to the F-35�s statement of requirements when the watchdog was conducting its ultimately explosive study of the stealth fighter project two years ago. The PBO confirmed Wednesday that Fadden also rejected information requests related to three other military procurement projects, including plans to buy new search-and-rescue aircraft and armoured vehicles for the army. Both projects have faced major problems that culminated in the Conservative government pushing the reset button, leaving their status and viability in limbo. The final information request related to replacements for the navy�s aging frigates and destroyers, a project Defence Department insiders have privately acknowledged is facing its own share of difficulties.

The interim parliamentary budget officer, Sonia L�Heureux, has written Fadden to say the information is essential for her office to ensure the accuracy of its Arctic patrol vessel study and to propose another method of collecting what is required. �By providing this data to us, which can be obtained from the design teams and shipyards, you would be greatly aiding us in establishing a more accurate and comprehensive estimate,� L�Heureux wrote on July 16. A Defence Department spokeswoman said in an email that the department �remains committed to ensuring transparency and openness in its interactions with the PBO and the Canadian public.� However, she did not respond to requests for further information about why the statements of requirement and cost estimates were, respectively, deemed outside the PBO�s mandate and secret.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 17:09

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

So, votes on which is the worse trend in news 'reporting' - articles based entirely on unreadable twitter feeds, or CBC telling us why we care about royal babies almost a week before they ask whether we care about royal babies at all? Spoiler: no we loving don't.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 17:18

unlimited shrimp: Aug 30, 2008

The Dark One posted:

Just imagine if the PUCAPAB video had been properly annimated.

I had no idea what the PUCAPAB thing was before I visited Montreal, and had no idea what the word was supposed to mean when I got there, but seeing that poster plastered everywhere after I got off the bus was a beautifully absurd gift from Montreal to my heart and ensured I would be a Quebec supporter forever.

:quebec:

# ? Jul 19, 2013 17:24

tripwood: Jul 21, 2003; "Cuno can see you're trying to shit him, but Cuno's unshittable, so fuck does Cuno care?"

Hint: He doesn't care.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Bunny, why did a ton of people who aren't young, Liberals, or in Nova Scotia get an email from the federal NS young Liberals?

I got one too. Fuckers. This is like waking up with a turd in your morning coffee.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 17:38

Cocaine Bear: Nov 4, 2011; ACAB

Ofc. Sex Robot BPD posted:

I had no idea what the PUCAPAB thing was before I visited Montreal, and had no idea what the word was supposed to mean when I got there, but seeing that poster plastered everywhere after I got off the bus was a beautifully absurd gift from Montreal to my heart and ensured I would be a Quebec supporter forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi0q-qt1XIw

Need to make this my ringtone.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 17:45

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

Today in wretched Canadian media, Cory Monteith died because InSite, probably. Oh and a heroin addiction is compared to liking sushi a lot: http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Corbella+Vancouver+easy+drug+access+have+helped+kill/8678866/story.html

# ? Jul 19, 2013 17:56

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

mr. unhsib posted:

Today in wretched Canadian media, Cory Monteith died because InSite, probably. Oh and a heroin addiction is compared to liking sushi a lot: http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Corbella+Vancouver+easy+drug+access+have+helped+kill/8678866/story.html

hahahah

quote:

There will be some people reading this who will assume that finding heroin in any major Canadian city is an easy thing to do, so InSite really doesn�t make things that much easier for first-timers to find and partake in their inaugural heroin hit, or for people like Monteith � who had a history of drug use, to find some easily. But an anecdote, dating back many years now, proves this wrong.

There are no words.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 18:05

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

only movie stars from vancouver can get drugs

# ? Jul 19, 2013 18:11

Team THEOLOGY: Nov 27, 2008

Paikin strikes again as a possible candidate. Though, I thought he has explicitly said he wasn't running.

bam

# ? Jul 19, 2013 18:19

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

Not a single supportive comment on that article, which is heartening at least.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 18:55

colonel_korn: May 16, 2003

Looking forward to the follow up editorial about how "this is what happens when you challenge the left-wing orthodoxy in this country!"

# ? Jul 19, 2013 19:08

mr. unhsib: Sep 19, 2003; I hate you all.

ugh you're right.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 19:15

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Quantum Mechanic posted:

If this is an example of a dysfunctional party being petty and appalling, I envy Canadian politics so goddamn much you can't even believe it.

For reference, this is an example of an actual, official, paid-for ad released by one of the two major parties in Australian politics as part of our current election campaign.

I would love it if Canada adopted the Australian system for selecting party leaders. Less wistful navel-gazing leadership conventions. More backstabbings.

Labor's stance on refugees is absolutely outrageous, though.

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jul 19, 2013

# ? Jul 19, 2013 19:52

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

THC posted:

I would love it if Canada adopted the Australian system for selecting party leaders. Less wistful navel-gazing leadership conventions. More backstabbings.

Counterpoint: the Australian Labor Party, which has spent the last three years fighting a protacted leadership battle instead of, you know, governing. I'd really rather not my party fall into a leadership crisis every eight months.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 19:56

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

But it's so much more entertaining that way! :munch:

# ? Jul 19, 2013 19:58

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 07:56

Dallan Invictus: Oct 11, 2007; The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

The idea that LPC's last two or three years in office (or their first five years out of office) weren't a protracted leadership battle is hilarious.

I'm with THC, for once. The chain of accountability within our political parties is monumentally hosed up.

# ? Jul 19, 2013 20:00

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