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Story-wise I saw the issues coming when I noticed that in the stage-beginning cutscenes, all of the characters who're playable in Story Mode for that stage will appear even if it makes no sense for them to do so, but I suppose that that's a byproduct of going away from specific character per stage.
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Not having played 7 or any Dynasty Warriors for a long time, yeah, the story is not particularly well explained. I also think most of the voice acting is pretty corny.
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chunkles posted:Not having played 7 or any Dynasty Warriors for a long time, yeah, the story is not particularly well explained. I also think most of the voice acting is pretty corny. Yeah the impact of some of the What Ifs is kind of lost if you don't know what to expect normally. I think 8 relies on having played 7 a bit too much for its own good. That said I'm having a blast with the drat game, most of the new weapon types are really fun. I equip every character with a rake now.
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I think it comes from having the lack of narration for the between level bits, and that the game was designed with Jin in mind. For Wei, at least, it was probably the best place to stop it because after that point Cao Cao wasn't in charge. Overall 7 probably had the more cohesive story.
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Jul 22, 2013 04:04
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Define "designed with Jin in mind"? Although DW7 cut off with Cao Cao's death and Cao Pi's enthronement, the Jin campaign quickly established that Cao Pi passed away before long and Sima Yi got in good with his successor Cao Rui.
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Jul 22, 2013 04:08
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Is there a guide in English for the DW8 unlocks? And the funniest narration problem I can see is that Guan Yu cannot die enough different ways in each title. He gets three elaborate death cutscenes just playing through the regular stories.
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I only played part way into Wei in 7, and I do not really know the Three Kingdoms story otherwise. Should I look up 7s cutscenes sometime so I get extra context of what happens in 8? Edit: or I can just read the drat history section in the encyclopedia... Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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Jul 22, 2013 04:30
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5er posted:Is there a guide in English for the DW8 unlocks? What are you looking for unlocks? Characters? 5 Star weapons?
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I wouldn't mind a simple understanding of how to get the best weapons, or how to unlock costumes. Like, I have Yueyings DW 7 costume, but I don't have Pang Tongs.
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The 5 Star weapons can be obtained like how they were in DW5 and prior games -- you have to play on Hard or Musou level difficulty and do something specific with a character on a stage. EG, Xiaohun Yuan's 5 Star weapon is obtained by reaching a certain point in the first Wei stage before Lu Bu manages to break a single gate down. You then get a 'treasure has been found!' message and you have to go pick up the weapon. This is a partial list of 5 Star weapons and how to get them. People are still working on translating poo poo, so it's incomplete: http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/7027507/1/ The other way to get solid weapons is through Ambition Mode. Once you get the Blacksmith up to level...30 I think, you get the ability to Temper weapons. This is different than the Reforge option that the Blacksmith first provides you, which is lovely, unpredictable and a waste of weapon materials. Tempering weapons works like how it does in other titles, you select a base weapon, then pick another weapon that will take the abilities and put it on. It can be tedious, as you can't pick what weapon abilities you want to use (like in WO3) but you can build some OP weapons through that. The whole weapon system is actually one of my main complaints with this latest game. Every iteration of the Musou series that I've played gives you an option to either discard whatever new weapons/animals/etc you've found or replace it with something in your existing inventory. Given that it seems that the total number of weapons you can have is 'pooled' amongst all the weapon types (EG, I have max weapons right now and have something like 30 clubs and 2 Flying Swords) and I'm a little annoyed, as it's a micro-managing nightmare. E: and I don't know about costumes, but I do have Pang Tong's costume unlocked in my game and I haven't touched the Shu campaign at all...just Wei and Ambition Mode (I do have Pang Tong as a playable option in Ambition Mode, but he's not 'unlocked' in Free Mode.) Perdido fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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Unlucky7 posted:I only played part way into Wei in 7, and I do not really know the Three Kingdoms story otherwise. Should I look up 7s cutscenes sometime so I get extra context of what happens in 8? It's not like 8 comes after 7, it's the same story every game, repeated forever. If you want to know more about Three Kingdoms I recommend the book, but since nobody likes having to read you should check out the 2010 TV show on youtube.
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Chortles posted:Define "designed with Jin in mind"? Although DW7 cut off with Cao Cao's death and Cao Pi's enthronement, the Jin campaign quickly established that Cao Pi passed away before long and Sima Yi got in good with his successor Cao Rui. Eh, I suppose I used the wrong words, but it seems like the game was built specifically around having two distinct "Era's" One with the Three Kingdoms, and the other built around Jin's rise, with little to no overlap AT ALL, so it feels like there's a disjointed skip between Wei and Jin. Many of the later warriors in each kingdom go unused, but exist to face off against Jin. And NOBODY gets their backstory explained very well. I mean, you don't exactly have Gan Ning killing Ling Cao, or anything to explain why certain officers pop up and depart. And it doesn't help that many of the battles that were staples of the series (Yellow Turban Rebellion, Chang Ban, Wu Zhang) are only really given 1 fight on them and they move on. Edit: Can I just say, I hope they add Cheng Pu into the game... and play off his title "General who Rocks Bandits" (seriously)
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As for the distinct "Jin period vs. the Three Kingdoms period" feel, it seems like 7 explained the interregnum -- as did the tail end of Shu's story -- relatively well at the start of Jin's story since it's only a few years since Wu Zhang Plains (which I guess is why this time around Wu Zhang Plains is outright the first Jin stage in 8). As for the Yellow Turbans... I think it's both for setting up the overall plot and the over the top hamminess of Zhang Jiao. Changban is in the games mostly so that you can watch Zhao Yun "do his thing", though you can also read it and that's cool too (seriously, loving read this).
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Belzac posted:It's not like 8 comes after 7, it's the same story every game, repeated forever. If you want to know more about Three Kingdoms I recommend the book, but since nobody likes having to read you should check out the 2010 TV show on youtube. Just chiming in to say that the 2010 series is a lot of fun and Chen Jianbin does an incredible job as Cao Cao. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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Perdido posted:The 5 Star weapons can be obtained like how they were in DW5 and prior games -- you have to play on Hard or Musou level difficulty and do something specific with a character on a stage. Yeah, that's what I was after, unlocking final weapons. And, hopefully guides on how to manage some of those stage unlocks, but I suspect once I get Red Hare or Hex Mark (and perhaps an egregiously overlevelled Guan Yu with a couple 5 star weapons) I won't have too much of an issue with those. Unless I can't unlock the branching story paths in Free Mode, in which case better weapons become more imperative. Speaking of which, how DO I get Red Hare unlocked?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Just chiming in to say that the 2010 series is a lot of fun and Chen Jianbin does an incredible job as Cao Cao.  Samurai Sanders posted:Is he saying "hee hee hee heee! WOOOO!!" as he runs away? Please tell me he is, even if it isn't true. Chortles posted:The latter, plus apparently this version has better subtitles than the official translation anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkjnGlkEdw The series is definitely more readily accessible and explanatory than The Ravages of Time.
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Are there any good sources for what was going on in Wu specifically during the Three Kingdoms era? They always seem to end up as a footnote to the Liu Bei/Cao Cao conflict in the games and books, but they've been my favorite of the three kingdoms since I discovered that little part of history.
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Speedball posted:So how does DW8 stack up against Orochi 3? I loved WO3. I loved both Dynasty Tactics games. The "chaining" thing and unit movement stuff made it feel like a puzzle game rather than a war game. I really wish they'd made another one of these, but also understand it's probably a very limited appeal.
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OatmealRaisin posted:Are there any good sources for what was going on in Wu specifically during the Three Kingdoms era? They always seem to end up as a footnote to the Liu Bei/Cao Cao conflict in the games and books, but they've been my favorite of the three kingdoms since I discovered that little part of history. Most of the histories were written with Liu Bei and Cao Cao as the antagonists. I'm sure somebody else could tell you better, but for the most part Wu was the kingdom that was swapping allies back and forth, which is probably why it's treated as the wild card.
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Calax posted:Most of the histories were written with Liu Bei and Cao Cao as the antagonists. I'm sure somebody else could tell you better, but for the most part Wu was the kingdom that was swapping allies back and forth, which is probably why it's treated as the wild card. The liberties KOEI takes with the history, just have to be rolled with. It's comedy at this point. Newer characters are just amalgams of overkilled anime tropes with very little to absolutely no bearing on the disposition of the heroes they are meant to represent. I might be a grognard to say so but it just gravitates me back to the pillars whose attitudes don't seem to change much, and don't seem to be horribly embarrassing anime fanservices- Zhang Fei's fight'n and drinkin, Zhang Liao's fight'n and having dignity'n, Lu Bu's fight'n and hanging for it, etc. Old guard, best guard. I particularly adore the second episode of GameCenter CX where KOEI's lead developer, with a serious and earnest face advised the interviewer that the ending of Kessen 2 brought tears of genuine emotion to his eyes. If I remember right, it's been a long time... Cao Cao took a lightning bolt to his loving head while his closest, dearest ally Liu Bei holds him as he dies. I was crying too but I think it was gastronomic pain.
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I thought Wang Yi had a refreshingly, uh...classic KOEI interpretation, and she's only been around since 7:XL. fightin' and revengin'?
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I read about Wang Yi yesterday. She was actually pretty loving hardcore in real life.
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Well, they do kinda make for amalgam characters rather than just stand alones. *Glares at Xing Cai* Personally, if we had the Kessen 2 character designs in DW I'd probably be laughing to hard to fight. 
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Speaking of Xing Cai, does anyone else get really mad about the way she holds her shield? He's gonna break her drat hand! She wears it right in cutscenes what the hell 
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Selane posted:Whenever someone complains about DW's outfits being bad or unrealistic, I'm going to link them that image. Frankly, I regard them about the same, looking at that lot.
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OatmealRaisin posted:Speaking of Xing Cai, does anyone else get really mad about the way she holds her shield? He's gonna break her drat hand! She wears it right in cutscenes what the hell What annoys me about her is her refusal to wear pants. It probably shouldn't bother me so much, but... Shoulder pads. Metal grieves. Big rear end shield. Pant-less. I don't understand. No like, kick-rear end metal skirt, or like chain, or anything. I like Xing Cai, well I like her more than most Shu officers. But come on.
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I haven't played Kessen before so I had to look some of these up, apparently 26 is Xu Zhu as a lady  I like Xing Cai, besides the lack of pants she's probably got the most reasonable weapon to charge into some of these fights. Definitely my favorite Shu officer to play as.
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Can someone tell me who the people are from the Kessen image. Particularly Antler Man, The Black Widow, Chinese Heracles, and... I have no joke for number 12 because holy hell hahaha.
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alpha_destroy posted:Can someone tell me who the people are from the Kessen image. Particularly Antler Man, The Black Widow, Chinese Heracles, and... I have no joke for number 12 because holy hell hahaha.  How did Yu Jin become more effeminate than Zhang He? Calax fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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I'm not 100% sure on the others, but Number 12 is almost surely Ma Chao, judging by his trademark hat/helm e;fb
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Meng Huo is my favorite. He killed a lion for his clothes and then killed a baby lion for his hat.
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5er posted:Speaking of which, how DO I get Red Hare unlocked? 90 consecutive battles in Ambition Mode. That means no Returning to Camp. Someone on another forum is insistent that you can do it in 30 battle intervals (so that you can Save and Return to Camp), but that didn't work for me (I may have hosed it up.) IMPORTANT: You will NOT get Red Hare or any of the other special Horses if your Animals are maxed out. Sell any junk animals you have before trying to unlock Red Hare and avoid picking up the ones that are randomly dropped by Officers. You will get a 'You cannot obtain any more Animals' message if you're maxed out. Thankfully, I found this out with Shadow Runner. That's how all the horses get unlocked, actually. 20 Battles: Trophy/Achievement 30 Battles: Shadow Runner 50 Battles: Trophy/Achievement 60 Battles: Hex Mark 90 Battles: Red Hare 100 Battles: Battle Elephant You also get animals unlocked every 10 battles, too. IIRC, you get a generic lovely horse at 10 & 20, a Falcon at level 40, a Wolf at level 50, an Elephant at level 70 and a Panda at level 80. This might be randomized. My advice if you want to crank it out quickly is to do nothing but Materials battles on Beginner difficulty. Fame Missions usually involve some kind of running around, while Ally Missions require you to kill a bunch of officers. Do it before you have a majority of your Allies are obtained so you can level up skills while you do it (maxing out Allies replaces named officers with nameless 'Unit Commanders' who, as far as I can tell, do NOT give skill ups when you beat them.) Then, just plow through the levels. You can beeline straight to the head officer you need to kill and get most stages finished in ~2 minutes. Also, smash any pots or crates you see while doing Materials battles, as they will always contain Materials. You will need a ton of Materials...Fame and Allies are very easy to obtain compared to Materials. I also recommend having a fairly decently levelled character (not because it gets hard, but because it takes forever to kill poo poo the higher you go) with a decent weapon. Again, I recommend Xiahou Yuan, as his EX attack will get your Rage bar filled in several uses and you can just use your Rage attack to splatter the officer instantly. Any other officer that has an AE attack that hits multiple times could work, too.
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I want to post 'gently caress that' and walk away. But I foresee myself doing it.
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5er posted:The liberties KOEI takes with the history, just have to be rolled with. It's comedy at this point. Newer characters are just amalgams of overkilled anime tropes with very little to absolutely no bearing on the disposition of the heroes they are meant to represent. I might be a grognard to say so but it just gravitates me back to the pillars whose attitudes don't seem to change much, and don't seem to be horribly embarrassing anime fanservices- Zhang Fei's fight'n and drinkin, Zhang Liao's fight'n and having dignity'n, Lu Bu's fight'n and hanging for it, etc. Old guard, best guard.  5er posted:I particularly adore the second episode of GameCenter CX where KOEI's lead developer, with a serious and earnest face advised the interviewer that the ending of Kessen 2 brought tears of genuine emotion to his eyes. If I remember right, it's been a long time... Cao Cao took a lightning bolt to his loving head while his closest, dearest ally Liu Bei holds him as he dies. I was crying too but I think it was gastronomic pain.
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Chortles posted:Was Koei's lead dev the one described as a negative stereotype of otaku? He's the one that has a striking resemblance to Chairman Kaga from Iron Chef. The one that most looks like a creepy pantysniffer would be Omega Force's lead.
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Is anyone aware of any 5-star weapon unlocks for Shu characters? I'm playing through that campaign now and I'd like to grab them.
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chunkles posted:Is anyone aware of any 5-star weapon unlocks for Shu characters? I'm playing through that campaign now and I'd like to grab them. 
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Thanks man.
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Someone asked earlier, but is the multiplayer less clunky than Orochi 3? I have a friend who would love to play this if we did a share, but the complete lack of a lobby made WO3 a really cumbersome experience for us.
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