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In addition to everything else people have mentioned, P3P gets rid of fatigue which is a terrible mechanic for the first 3 months of FES. If they found a way to put the cutscenes and in-engine stuff back in it would be no contest because mechanically it's a much more approachable game.
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Nuebot posted:Alright, thanks a ton guys I'm gonna grab myself a copy of FES if I can find one. If I like it I might play through portable if I feel like replaying it at a later date! If you have a PS3, you can get it digitally for $10! 
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Jul 23, 2013 00:08
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Firebert posted:In addition to everything else people have mentioned, P3P gets rid of fatigue which is a terrible mechanic for the first 3 months of FES. If they found a way to put the cutscenes and in-engine stuff back in it would be no contest because mechanically it's a much more approachable game. What was wrong with the fatigue mechanic? It seemed like it was just there to pace out the dungeon crawling more. But I stopped playing at the part where my character was studying for exams for weeks straight and haven't started again so maybe I missed something or just got lucky that my guys never got fatigued so much I couldn't get to the first couple bosses.
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Jul 23, 2013 00:17
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ChaosArgate posted:If you have a PS3, you can get it digitally for $10! Oh poo poo can I? I might have to look at PSN if local shops don't have one.
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Jul 23, 2013 00:26
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:What was wrong with the fatigue mechanic? It seemed like it was just there to pace out the dungeon crawling more. But I stopped playing at the part where my character was studying for exams for weeks straight and haven't started again so maybe I missed something or just got lucky that my guys never got fatigued so much I couldn't get to the first couple bosses. Fatigue goes away basically immediately. After your characters gain a few levels you're likely to never see that mechanic again unless you have to do an absolute shitload of dungeon crawling in a single day.
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Jul 23, 2013 00:30
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Firebert posted:In addition to everything else people have mentioned, P3P gets rid of fatigue which is a terrible mechanic for the first 3 months of FES. If they found a way to put the cutscenes and in-engine stuff back in it would be no contest because mechanically it's a much more approachable game. If only they could do that AND remove Aigis forever. It would be perfect. :iamafag:
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Jul 23, 2013 00:35
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King of Solomon posted:Fatigue goes away basically immediately. After your characters gain a few levels you're likely to never see that mechanic again unless you have to do an absolute shitload of dungeon crawling in a single day. I did that. I didn't mind it that much since I intentionally stayed in the dungeon till I got sick anyways for free courage-ups from the doctor. Got everyone else sick too just to artificially rotate my party members, leading to random imbalanced parties. Lead to an odd transition phase in P3P when I was left free to choose whoever I wanted without any consequences.
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Jul 23, 2013 00:47
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Nuebot posted:Alright, thanks a ton guys I'm gonna grab myself a copy of FES if I can find one. If I like it I might play through portable if I feel like replaying it at a later date! The nice thing about Portable is that the female protagonist makes a replay legitimately worth doing. Playing FES first works out nicely that way.
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tooooooo bad posted:The nice thing about Portable is that the female protagonist makes a replay legitimately worth doing. Playing FES first works out nicely that way. Yeah that's basically why I did it this way, that and I guess the changes people talk about would be more noticable if I went through FES first, then I'd be able to appreciate them more since as people mentioned the atmosphere in FES might be better? So it seems like it might be better for a first full playthrough. Either way grabbed a copy, didn't get very far yet but I am loving the music so far. Thanks again for weighing in everyone.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:20
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Alteisen posted:Remove Aigis forever. You and me needs to talk outside, I think. Get rid of Ken. Now that's a character that needs to go.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:26
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RadicalR posted:You and me needs to talk outside, I think. What did Ken really add to the story aside from being the reason Shinji left and rejoined SEES and being the person who indirectly caused his death?
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Jul 23, 2013 01:31
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Her S. Link was kind of creepy but I've never had a problem with Aigis. Thought she was pretty swell in P4Arena even. Ken was the worst though.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:33
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Aigis just always felt weird and out of place to me. Like, I know Persona 3 is what it is, but Aigis felt like this weird hyper-marketable thing jammed into the middle of the game to sell, right down to Maaya Sakamoto voicing her. It just rubbed me the wrong way for some reason, even in the game about dating your schoolmates so you can summon demons.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:37
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RadicalR posted:You and me needs to talk outside, I think. Small child who acts like an adult or creepy stalker robot who wants you to diddle her robo hole. This ain't a tough choice, Aigis was pandering otaku bait, Metis was somehow worse to my surprise.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:45
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Why not just take them all out? Then everyone can be happy.  I don't think I've seen a single person that actually likes Ken. One of the only times I've seen a character so universally hated.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:49
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I sure wish we got to see more of Shinjiro. I liked him, he looked like a Persona character. It's me. I'm the guy who spent a lot of money on gear for him and put him in my party. Thanks Ken.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:51
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Aigis might be blatant pandering, but Ken is worthless as a character. Even his Social Link is sluggishly bland in addition to potentially being really loving creepy.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:52
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TK-31 posted:Aigis might be blatant pandering, but Ken is worthless as a character. Even his Social Link is sluggishly bland in addition to potentially being really loving creepy. Only with the FeMC, he's perfectly fine beyond that, you'll forgive me if I don't care that he caused the death of a throw-away character. I also liked him as a healer by virtue of him not being Yukari, he also learns Mediarama right away which is nice AND he has no elemental weakness, he's tied with Koro for me most usefulness. Only gripe is that he has element overlap with Akihiko. quote:Why not just take them all out? Then everyone can be happy. I know this is typical  but at least the other chars acted relatively normal, Aigis was just creepy nerd bait.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:57
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As much as I hate Aigis, at least she contributed to the plot. Ken was just a worthless character in every conceivable way.
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King of Solomon posted:Fatigue goes away basically immediately. After your characters gain a few levels you're likely to never see that mechanic again unless you have to do an absolute shitload of dungeon crawling in a single day. The problem is the most efficient way to play Persona games is to do as much dungeon crawling as possible in one session to maximize your time improving your stats and doing S-links. I hope they some how change that sh itty situation in P5... Policenaut posted:I sure wish we got to see more of Shinjiro. I liked him, he looked like a Persona character. I did that, then played portable years later after forgetting the plot and did it again
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Jul 23, 2013 02:31
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I liked Ken because he got the healing done while still being less of a boring shitheel than Yukari. Shinjiro, though? He was the MAN. I want to see a beat-em-up spinoff game where Shinjiro, Reiji, Eikichi and Kanji all go around and wreck face.
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Dorroile posted:I liked Ken because he got the healing done while still being less of a boring shitheel than Yukari. Add in Yukino, or TANKINO as I like to call her as a poo poo wreaker and Maya to go around breaking into buildings and troll everyone and Atlus can take all of my 
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Jul 23, 2013 06:39
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Replace every character with Koromaru, problem solved.
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Jul 23, 2013 07:19
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Shinji was way better in P3P on the female route. They actually drew new portraits for him where he smiles! (Also if you max out his S.Link he goes into a coma instead of dying)
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My copy of Mayonaka Arena finally arrived from across the ocean. Still can't get over the fact that Somehow managed to get a joke ending the first time I sat down playing, so that was loving confusing, especially since the next path I played was actually intense and involved. At first I thought Yukiko just got a short shrift when it came to story paths, but according to the Gamefaq, there's more to see. Kind of enjoying this so far!
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Jul 23, 2013 08:14
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Man seeing all of you guys complain about the characters in P3 made me really happy that Atlus got their poo poo together for the P4 cast. Because the P4 cast is loving BALLIN and are just way better than the P3 cast (and social links as well).
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Jul 23, 2013 08:27
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I really feel like Yukari gets a lot of misdirected hate, especially since I like her S. Link so much and she was probably my favorite character until Shinjiro got his S. Link in P3P. gently caress YOU KEN
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Sex_Ferguson posted:I really feel like Yukari gets a lot of misdirected hate, especially since I like her S. Link so much and she was probably my favorite character until Shinjiro got his S. Link in P3P. I've noticed that a lot of very teenagery teenage type characters seem to attract hate. Yeah, she's catty and whiny. She's a teenage girl, and a teenager struggling with some serious issues. I'm not a fan of her and tend to use someone else, but. Ken can go jump off a bridge because man, his S. Link has the potential to get creepy fast and - yeah.
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Jul 23, 2013 09:36
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Mitsuru for example is infamous for the way her AI seems to work. I used her the entire time in FES and never had a problem with it. 
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Jul 23, 2013 10:39
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Ken is necessary because it means my final party can consist of a 10-year old, a dog, and a robot. Aint none of that happening in P4 (Fox should have been a party member  )
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Yo I'm gonna throw this out here right now but all the characters in Persona 3 are really detestable individuals to me. That's right, even the dog. They're all really obnoxious, and seem to get progressively more obnoxious the younger and/or more robotic they are.
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Amppelix posted:Ken is necessary because it means my final party can consist of a 10-year old, a dog, and a robot. Aint none of that happening in P4 (Fox should have been a party member Nanako should've been a party member! Dojima while we're at it!
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I think Dojima was supposed to, at a time. And to be the killer, but that was ultimately deemed too dark for the storyline.
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Amppelix posted:Ken is necessary because it means my final party can consist of a 10-year old, a dog, and a robot. Aint none of that happening in P4 (Fox should have been a party member Fox should have been playable in P4 Arena. And Daidara. Come on, why else would they have scars on their faces if not for that grueling battle experience!?
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Iceclaw posted:And to be the killer, but that was ultimately deemed too dark for the storyline. I'm glad they didn't do that, Dojima was great. But it would have at least removed the 'the killer was the only main character without a social link' problem P4 had until Golden. Does the dialogue at the choice scene not absolutely make it sound like he did it before they dismiss it out of hand? Or am I remembering that wrong? CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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The Fox is so much better than the dog it's not even funny.
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King of Solomon posted:Fatigue goes away basically immediately. After your characters gain a few levels you're likely to never see that mechanic again unless you have to do an absolute shitload of dungeon crawling in a single day. It's not a "few" levels. More like 15-20. I am in June on FES playthrough and I am still hating fatigue after playing P3P. It also makes maxing S.Links a lot harder on first playthrough. That said, so far I do like the presentation a lot more, 3D models are pretty good compared to P3P and just those small touches that get animated (for example you see more people in restaurants or during student council meetings) make it worth it. One note though, I am playing on my PC with 4x the internal resolution, presentation on a TV from PS2 is not nearly as nice and sharp. Edit: Not having a lot of issues with AI as long as tactics are properly used. I was actually surprised that it wasn't that bad. Also forces you to be a bit more sharp in your persona utilization and fusion. You could get a bit lazy in P3P.
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Sex_Ferguson posted:The Fox is so much better than the dog it's not even funny. Most untrue statement ever. When does the fox ever have the most adorable victory pose ever? Also, I never really found fatigue to be a big problem in FES. Sure, I didn't like it when it happened, but sickness was much worse. Of course, I always just ran up Tartarus to get to the next checkpoint, so I never really grinded up a lot. P4's a lot more punishing about this, because apparently enemies on the field are larger and faster and ignore your premptive strike when you're lower leveled? That game was just so unfun.
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I'm not sure I could go back to it now, but Marin Karin was the only aspect of the AI that I truly hated.Momomo posted:P4's a lot more punishing about this, because apparently enemies on the field are larger and faster and ignore your premptive strike when you're lower leveled? That game was just so unfun. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Chickenfrogman posted:As much as I hate Aigis, at least she contributed to the plot. Ken was just a worthless character in every conceivable way. Take both out and keep Shinjiro , problem solved. Both Ken and Aegis are just annoying and Ken is almost as creepy in FMC route as Aegis is in MC's. Everyone else is at least serviceable and not that bad. Yukari is all right, as mentioned, just put her in context (16 - 17, a lot of poo poo going down, her family life sucks). That said, I absolutely agree that P4 cast is absolutely head and shoulders above P3, especially in P4G and its extra content. Even if you don't like say Teddie or Marie they are much, much better then say Ken or Aegis.
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