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haljordan posted:Why is baseball the sport where, much more than the others, the people voting for Hall of Famers want more attention than the actual athletes? The amount of self-serving lazy articles that get spewed out every year is so incredibly awful. It's a mystery. Basketball has a big hall so no one cares if you're making a point, and the NFL hall of fame just reflects the skewed priorities of the average fan (all QBs, winners only)
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haljordan posted:Why is baseball the sport where, much more than the others, the people voting for Hall of Famers want more attention than the actual athletes? The amount of self-serving lazy articles that get spewed out every year is so incredibly awful. Baseball has always been dominated by the written word rather than through images since the early days of the game (mainly because baseball has been around since like forever). Old-timey baseball articles were always written with a certain reverence toward the game with a touch of editorial proselytizing and these writers passed on the smarmy self-importance rather than the quality writing.
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Want to see a hilariously melodramatic article written about Ryan Braun and PEDs in which the author is dead loving serious the entire time? Then click here! click here for the soundtrack! A choice exerpt: Joe Strauss at Peak Emo posted:Its credibility shot, Braun’s show is all but over. All that’s left of the gutless act is an orchestrated presser in which he again looks soulfully at his audience while offering a soulful apology. Perhaps this time he’ll entertain questions. Who knows? Maybe he’ll grope for a kernel of truth within a sack of prevarication.
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Jul 24, 2013 22:39
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Baseball also lends itself to discussions of numbers and milestones because of the nature of the game. I bet a lot more of you know what 2130/2632 or 714/755/762 means than know what 297 or 508 means in football (personally I know the baseball ones by heart and had to look up the football ones).
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Jul 24, 2013 22:40
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Without looking them up, is that Gehrig/Ripken consecutive game streaks, the home run records from Bonds, Ruth and Aaron and the football ones are consecutive games started (Favre) and touchdown passes (Favre again?)?
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haljordan posted:Without looking them up, is that Gehrig/Ripken consecutive game streaks, the home run records from Bonds, Ruth and Aaron and the football ones are consecutive games started (Favre) and touchdown passes (Favre again?)? Yes.
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People also forget that CBS broadcasts golf which might be the biggest money sport in the whole world.
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Politicalrancor posted:People also forget that CBS broadcasts golf which might be the biggest money sport in the whole world. They broadcast The Masters which is about prestige, not money. Augusta National leaves tons on the table in the name of control.
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ElwoodCuse posted:They broadcast The Masters which is about prestige, not money. Augusta National leaves tons on the table in the name of control. They broadcast PGA events all the time and get that sweet, sweet Buick money.
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ElwoodCuse posted:They broadcast The Masters which is about prestige, not money. Augusta National leaves tons on the table in the name of control. Remember the year they ran the Masters with no ads at all as a very mature "gently caress You" to the groups protesting the tournament because at that time they didn't admit women?
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Jul 25, 2013 02:14
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Is there anyone on ESPN.com worth reading anymore or should I continue to avoid that site like the plague?
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Floridiot posted:Is there anyone on ESPN.com worth reading anymore or should I continue to avoid that site like the plague? Wright Thompson
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There's plenty of good stuff on there but it's mostly behind the Insider wall (although you can get that really cheaply with the discounted ESPN Magazine subscriptions that pop up all the time). Just off the top of my head: Keith Law, the Football Outsiders crew, Kevin Pelton, and John Gasaway (actually their college basketball coverage in general tends to be pretty good, but he's the best of the bunch).
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MourningView posted:(actually their college basketball coverage in general tends to be pretty good). Not just pretty good, really good. That Jason King guy is kind of awful but the rest of the staff is real sharp and they absolutely own news on some of the top programs (like Robbi Pickeral, who practically has her own locker at UNC). SI has good writers in Seth Davis and Andy Glockner but they don't have the volume of ESPN.
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Good ESPN story http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9452014/pitcher-tomohiro-anraku-future-japanese-baseball-espn-magazine
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Here's a piece that the New Yorker ran on Emile Griffith. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/07/boxing-emile-griffith-benny-paret-death-madison-square-garden.html It reminds me of old school boxing writing, which happens to be my favorite kind of sports journalism.
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Declan MacManus posted:Here's a piece that the New Yorker ran on Emile Griffith. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/07/boxing-emile-griffith-benny-paret-death-madison-square-garden.html I saw a piece on that fight on ESPN last night. Does any boxing career have a happy ending ever? 
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haljordan posted:I saw a piece on that fight on ESPN last night. Does any boxing career have a happy ending ever? George Foreman seems to be blissfully senile. 
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haljordan posted:I saw a piece on that fight on ESPN last night. Does any boxing career have a happy ending ever? 
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^^--Big George did take a decade off, which probably helped a lothaljordan posted:I saw a piece on that fight on ESPN last night. Does any boxing career have a happy ending ever? Not many, especially the great ones since they tend to keep fighting for so long. Out of the guys known for their chins the last I knew I think Marvin Hagler was doing ok, maybe? It wouldn't surprise me to find out that I'm dead wrong on that
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Grittybeard posted:^^--Big George did take a decade off, which probably helped a lot George Foreman also only fought 350 rounds despite having 81 matches. The key to a long and successful post-boxing career is to knock dudes out. Also I think Hagler is doing well. Tried the acting thing for a while then went to retire in Italy, where I assume he's doing okay. 
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I can never get far when I try to look up Hagler because one of the first links is The War (evidence of that chin I was talking about if anyone wants it there) and I always just watch that. Also on boxers and bad endings it's worth noting that Griffith seemed to be doing fairly well himself at first. For those who aren't familiar with him Emile was bisexual. He wasn't out during his career of course (in the 60's) but it was kind of an open secret from what I've been able to gather. Anyway he was beaten badly outside of a gay club in 1992 by some random guys and ended up in a hospital for two months. It was supposedly only after that when he started having problems with dementia. So in theory it's possible he would have been ok quite a while longer if that never happened.
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haljordan posted:I saw a piece on that fight on ESPN last night. Does any boxing career have a happy ending ever? Does this count? I can't remember where it was posted but there was a fantastic article on how much of a piece of work Hector "Macho" Camacho was.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Wright Thompson oh neat I'll go ahead and check hi- https://twitter.com/wrightthompson/status/359650958390734848 @wrighthompson posted:Would this be an effective PED punishment? Immediate lifetime ban and erasure of all records: You weren't ever a big leaguer.
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That seems to be working with Aaron Hernandez. No other football players have executed someone in the last month. 
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stuart scott irl posted:oh neat I'll go ahead and check hi- Oh well if he has one bad opinion then nevermind.
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Some folks over at Deadspin take a look at what Sportscenter covered last year: http://deadspin.com/what-i-learned-...dium=socialflow quote:CUMULATIVE STATISTICS (2012)
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Kalli posted:Some folks over at Deadspin take a look at what Sportscenter covered last year: I would love to see a breakdown of "Other", because I'm sure 99% of that is Little League World Series.
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I'd also like to see a breakdown of how much coverage each team gets in the MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL numbers.
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Kalli posted:Some folks over at Deadspin take a look at what Sportscenter covered last year: Hockey got more coverage than NASCAR what? Didn't expect that at all. Suck it NASCAR 
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Deathlove posted:I would love to see a breakdown of "Other", because I'm sure 99% of that is Little League World Series. I assumed poker and bowling, seems like I still find them on every now and again.
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Auto racing truly used to be ESPN's bread and butter. NASCAR especially. Whatever happened between now...and 2002, well, they certainly ditched that philosophy. I'd go on a further rant about this, but I think the great LASTCAR sums up my feelings on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdyoYbzZ6k0 Deathlove posted:I would love to see a breakdown of "Other", because I'm sure 99% of that is Little League World Series. Yup. Don't doubt that for a second.
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stuart scott irl posted:oh neat I'll go ahead and check hi- The first time I read this I couldn't figure out why he wanted all Erasure records removed. Give a little respect to 'em dude
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BasicFunk posted:I'd also like to see a breakdown of how much coverage each team gets in the MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL numbers. The graphs have some information that lets you pretty easily figure out which dots the Cowboys / Giants are vs the Titans / Jaguars, or Heat / Lakers vs anyone else at least, but yeah, definitely wouldn't mind seeing more information. DOOP posted:Hockey got more coverage than NASCAR what? Didn't expect that at all. Suck it NASCAR Yeah, looking at the breakdown, there's a titanic gulf between the big two in college and Golf which seems to show a pretty clear delineation in their programming. Kalli fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Kalli posted:Some folks over at Deadspin take a look at what Sportscenter covered last year: quote:Oh, sports pundit's beloved descriptors, you never disappoint us. The first surge in "elite" came after Super Bowl XLVI, during the ensuing discussion about Eli Manning and whether or not he was, er, elite. The second occurred during Peyton Manning's free agency, when ESPN debated if he was still a top-tier quarterback. ("Elite" had a very strong correlation with football, specifically quarterbacks.) "Clutch" tended to span across all sports, but usage peaked in relation to LeBron James after the Miami Heat won their first title, leading to the brief retirement of the LeBron-as-choker narrative and the consequent ascension of the one presenting him as a clutch god. 
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FuzzySkinner posted:Auto racing truly used to be ESPN's bread and butter. NASCAR especially. I'm honestly curious as to why you care so much about whether or not Sportscenter covers the sports you like. I guess I don't know why so many people still care.
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Kalli posted:Some folks over at Deadspin take a look at what Sportscenter covered last year: My honest takeaway was "who cares? Who watches SportsCenter?"
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I cannot remember the last time I saw Sportscenter that I wasn't in a waiting room or restaurant or something.
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Deadspin spends a shitload of time covering SportsCenter and the internal workings of ESPN. I guess someone cares but it sure isn't me.
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Yeah there is a lot of poo poo to call ESPN out on but Deadspin's coverage of them comes off as so weird and petty sometimes that I frequently find myself in the strange position of rooting for an organization that builds an entire hour of programing around Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith yelling outrageous things at each other. And that breakdown of what they devote time on Sportscenter to doesn't even seem that outrageous to me. I would guess that if anything their average viewer would prefer a much more NFL centric show.
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