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Nice Davis posted:Why do you think these people would let something like actually buying (or even reading) the book get in the way of calling in garbage? I don't know what I was thinking 
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Im surprised more people here havent heard of Reza Aslan before. Hes been on Real Time several times, as well as the Daily Show/Colbert Report. Hes even been on Fox News multiple times. He is a pretty good author too. Ive read No God But God and How to Win a Cosmic War. I definitely plan on picking up Zealot soon. Anyway, just saw this article. Its pretty conspiracy minded and its fun to see conservatives defending Occupy Wall Street in their own way: quote:In June, Infowars.com cited a report by WhoWhatWhy.com revealing that the “FBI was aware of an organization, possibly a local police department or private security company, that had plans to assassinate peaceful protesters during the Occupy Movement.” http://www.infowars.com/obama-planned-to-kill-peaceful-protesters-in-sniper-attacks/
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I'd describe Infowars as more gonzo than right-wing so it isn't too surprising - since they aren't as gung ho about the GOP their stories focus on fear and distrust.
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Jul 28, 2013 22:08
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So is infowars out of place in this thread? My bad.
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fade5 posted:Also, radical meme, what happened to your Edward avatar? It saddens me that it's gone, Edward is an awesome character, and the main reason to me that Cowboy Bebop lived up to the hype. I was just really proud of Wendy Davis and wanted to show some support, especially since Texas Democrats get so few opportunities to support anything political in our state. Which brings me to a personal anecdote about my Texas family. I can always rely on my family to spout off conservative talking points, especially AM radio talking points about current events. So my sister, who although I'm sure she votes Republican is a little more moderate than most of my family, and I were talking about Wendy Davis and how some 20+ women's health clinics will be shut down in Texas, leaving a lot of women in west Texas with little to no choice for affordable health care and my older brother chimes in and says, "just what was the point of that woman even disrupting the whole legislature with her clown act, she didn't accomplish anything by it at all". Well score one for the loving talking heads cause I wasn't going to waste my time to argue with him, even though my sister said "that wasn't the point at all, she should stand up for what she thinks is wrong, that's her job", which was not going to change his mind about the truthfulness of his smug rear end statement that it was all a waste of time. Funny thing, my brother thinks Matt Taibbi is the only honest journalist reporting about Wall Street. Go figure. radical meme fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 28, 2013 |
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AShamefulDisplay posted:So is infowars out of place in this thread? My bad. Alex Jones falls under the heading "Great Americans" in the thread title. As in, great at getting people to unquestioningly believe his conspiracy theory bullshit, despite lacking any education past high school.  The man who created "Loose Change" and "Prison Planet", despite lacking any: engineering, physics, chemistry, forensic, criminal investigation, political science, journalism, religion, history, medical, psychology, or sociology degrees. Yet he is an expert who reveals to us the truth that the intellectual masters of your country struggle to keep hidden from the brave men and wom- you get the idea. gently caress that idiot.
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AShamefulDisplay posted:So is infowars out of place in this thread? My bad.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:I wouldn't say it's completely out of place. Much of Alex Jones' shtick is John Birch Society style populist fear mongering. I don't know much about it besides the crazy conspiracy angle. Is it as racists as the Birchers, or is it a more equal opportunity group of paranoid con men?
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So does Amazon care about junk reviews? If Amazon starts deleting those reviews maybe some man of industry/job creator will try to make their own amazon/ebay.
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Alex Jones' U.N. agenda 21 conspiracy is ripped straight from the Birch Blue Book. Here's an article where "they" tackle his racial persecution complex. It doesn't take much editing to make either Birch or Jones to sound like the other. Swap out communist with shadow government, and it's the exact same argument: that a shadowy dangerous other is the cause for your problems. It's the universal plot, and it's inherently racist.SPLC Hatewatch posted:http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/08/31/conspiracist-alex-jones-whites-are-the-new-al-qaeda/
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It says something when Infowars almost immediately spins natural disasters and the Boston Bombings as false flags - but the Woolwich murder was reported with a straight face (and then maybe 3 days later it got a 'could it have been a false flag??')
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A Good Thing is happeningquote:Cumulus Media, the second-biggest operator of radio stations in the nation, is planning to drop Rush Limbaugh, according to a report from POLITICO. 
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Amused to Death posted:A Good Thing is happening
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Amused to Death posted:A Good Thing is happening It's really just cumulus blaming rush for their own failed business model. Clear channel will start airing rush and all in any major market where he'd disappear from because of cumulus dropping him.
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PostNouveau posted:Isn't Clear Channel itself struggling pretty hard right now? Maybe we can start paying Bain Capital to take over other businesses we don't like. I look forward to "Bain Capital acquires Wal-Mart".
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Reminder that Clear Channel only came to prominence after buying out an assortment of individually dying boradcasters and broadcast networks in the the 90s.
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HootTheOwl posted:Muslim wrote a book about the historical Jesus. Apparently being a Muslim means you have to ignore his twenty years of study. I watched the interview and thought he handled himself well, but wasn't speaking the language of Fair and Balance I wonder how they feel about Akhil Reed Amar.
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PostNouveau posted:Isn't Clear Channel itself struggling pretty hard right now? Yeah. They're on a downward spiral of losing listeners leading to cost cutting and shittier programming, leading to even more lost listeners. They aren't quite to the point of cutting their big name right wing talent, though.
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Install Gentoo posted:Reminder that Clear Channel only came to prominence after buying out an assortment of individually dying boradcasters and broadcast networks in the the 90s. They weren't really dying, it's just that flush with investor cash Clear Channel and others showed up on their doorstep offering 3-4 times the usual multiples for these stations. Most of these stations/clusters were cash cows, but once you throw in the Bain effect of leeching off all the capital they can get their hands on the model didn't work.....unless you're Bain. Radio has always made a decent amount of money, but not the level that Wall Street would look for long term. What Cumulus did was a little different. Up until recently they bought all the small markets they could get, with the same markup, with no real intention of actually operating them. Their model was based on constantly searching for more capital to invest and as the well has dried up that's led to bigger and bigger deals in markets they can't dream of operating effectively- which is why you're seeing long time heritage stations die on the vine. A lot of liberal groups are going to take credit for killing Rush and Hannity on Cumulus stations but the real reason they're going away is that Cumulus only wants to air the trash like Geraldo and Huckabee that they own themselves to try and save pennies.
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baw posted:I wonder how they feel about Akhil Reed Amar. Unfavorably I would imagine. Conservatives get squeamish when you even bring up the mention that Jesus was in fact a Jew.
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Amused to Death posted:A Good Thing is happening YES YES YES
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What will be the most beautiful will be the cries of "right wingers FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS VIOLATED" when Rush or Hannity lose broadcasting platforms due to the free market. 
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Zwabu posted:What will be the most beautiful will be the cries of "right wingers FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS VIOLATED" when Rush or Hannity lose broadcasting platforms due to the free market. Coming at noon tomorrow! Man, I can't wait. Hopefully, they complain enough that Cumulus fires them, and sends them on a forced vacation for a while.
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I remember that being rumored a while back but then denied. Good to see it was legit, ahahahaha. Wonder if it'll come up on either of their shows tomorrow.
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I am guessing that this is Cumulus playing with their contract negotiations. They play up the idea that they have no problem with getting rid of Rush and Hannity (by secret sources saying so) just so they can lowball their contracts.
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Rush and Hannity are contracted with Clear Channel. The dispute with Cumulus is over CC's distribution fee for carrying them. It's not the first time this has happened.
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At first blush the more conspiracy-minded part of me thought this was a play at the big money players of the GOP trying to tame the Tea Party monster that is so inflaming the base as to make Republicans unelectable in national elections. Kill the recognized "thought leaders and drivers" of the party and rein Fox back into a more reasonable-appearing direction and boom, lots of middle aged people turned off by the crazies come streaming back to them. But it turned out to be a spat between CC and Cumulus.
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Doctor Butts posted:Yea but isn't Limbaugh contracted to the 20's or something insane like that? Contract negotiations can come up mid contract as well. Anybody who's worked under contract knows it's completely possible to end up making more or just being out of a job mid contract because it was rebid. In the case of Rush he's had contract spats all through his career, so there being another one or saying Fluke caused it well... requires ignoring his history. Rush is done anyways, his audience is older and dieing off rapidly. I doubt he gives a poo poo as he's older and dieing off, but it's not like conservatives are generating new culture warriors.
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I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but this is exactly why Clear Channel bought WOR in New York last year. At least they'll have a safe landing spot there. Meanwhile, Sinclair, who you might know as a tv station owner who has a history of putting right-wing programs/news segments on it's stations, agreed to buy a tv station group which includes the ABC station in DC: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/allbritton-announces-agreement-to-sell-television-group-to-sinclair-broadcast-group-2013-07-29 Nevermind the fact that in nearby Baltimore (where they are based), they own one station and have used loopholes to operate 2 others. And they've been buying a lot of stations lately.
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SilentD posted:Rush is done anyways, his audience is older and dieing off rapidly. I doubt he gives a poo poo as he's older and dieing off, but it's not like conservatives are generating new culture warriors. Are you sure about that? I know there's a bunch of people on this forum who shook off their parents' right wing bullshit, but it can't be easy escaping from a current Tea Party household unscathed. The constant persecution complex, methodical dismissal of logic, reality, opposing viewpoints and education seems like a rather fruitful breeding ground for culture warriors.
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Everyone's favorite publication is celebrating 25 years of El Rushbo.The Onion posted:Rush Limbaugh’s eponymous national radio show celebrates 25 years in syndication this Thursday. Here are some of the major moments in the conservative pundit’s controversial career: Source.
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If you want to know what Rush's problem is, go stare into the abyss and read the threads on it over at freep. For all the yelling about what a horrible mistake Cumulus is making and that they'll surely suffer financial woe, half of them then go on to admit that they basically don't listen to him anymore, or that they maybe catch the commercial-free first fifteen minutes or so before bailing out. That's his problem; his ratings were inflated to begin with by bullshit reporting and the real(and much lower) figures are currently in decline. People just aren't really listening. They may read about something he said, or they may listen to clips online later or whatever if some particular thing is generating news, but they're not listening live and sitting through all the commercials, and those are the only listeners that really count.
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Walter posted:Air America, Maher and Olberman are the same as right wing media. At a certain point, I don't feel like left leaning media figures were left with much of a choice except to fight fire with fire in some cases. You had Maher being fired from his job, Dixie Chicks albums being steam-rollered, all sorts of accusations of "supporting terrorists" by not endorsing the Bush Doctrine, boycotting Heinz ketchup and French wine, "freedom fries", and all sorts of horrible nonsense directed at John and Theresa Kerry in the 04 election, up to and including mocking Kerry's war record. How much of that bullshit are we supposed to take before we say "let's stop being ridiculous for a moment?" Olbermann, Moore and Maher were amongst a scant few who were speaking truth to power in the buildup to the Iraq War. History has shown they were right. Most of the time, history shows people like Rush, Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. are wrong. I don't think Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, Bill Press or Rachael Maddow adopt the tactics that even the most mainstream of right wing media pundits do in a way that's nearly expected of them every single day. The mods shut down the Maher talk for the reason he/she said and they were right to do it. There's already a Maher thread, the false equivalency arguments are indeed stale and no one I know watches those shows to be told what to think the way Rush listeners do.
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Install Gentoo posted:Reminder that Clear Channel only came to prominence after buying out an assortment of individually dying boradcasters and broadcast networks in the the 90s. After the fairness doctrine and corporate monopolies of media were allowed. I'm not sure whether to be happy that the free market is dumping Limbaugh, punishing Clear Channel's shortsighted greed or worried that Rush will start crying "censorship" at whatever home he finds. Basically what Zwabu said. Good God. How do these assholes not make money? They're entire programming is one big advertisement, basically.
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Trast posted:Have any of the usual noise boxes flipped their poo poo about the Pope asking people to treat gays as anything less than subhuman scum yet? They'll ignore it probably, just like his comments on high finance. They'll only mention authority figures when they say something or useful or they can be safely attacked.
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