|
Canvas 2 is about as mediocre as VN writing gets without being a nukige, really.
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2013 22:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 18:41 |
|
|
I just started Grisaia and I hope the protag stays an rear end in a top hat forever 
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2013 22:55
|
|
|
Suleman posted:Grisaia seems to be getting a good reception. However, I figured jumping straight into another huge visual novel after Clannad might be a bit too much, so I decided to read something shorter and really generic in between. I randomly picked Canvas 2, and I'm regretting it already, less than 30 minutes in. Mostly because the teacher-student setup is creepy as all hell, and because the mouthflaps in the CGs are slightly off-putting. Elis is pretty much the worst character and after playing that game I decided it would be pretty cool if I never had to hear the word "oniichan" again. I don't think there's anything worthwhile in that game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2013 23:12
|
|
|
Welp, Michiru done. Gotta say, I was thinking "this is less crazy than advertised", up until I got to the very ending. Still, it was a little better than Yumiko's. The burial sequence was really well done.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2013 23:42
|
|
|
Oh wow, Grisaia is awesome. I'm 30 minutes into the game and I can't stop laughing at some of the lines. There wasn't any homework assigned today...Which would mean my hypothesis just now can't be accurate. When students shut themselves in their room, homework and masturbation are the only things that come to mind...
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2013 23:46
|
|
|
Abalieno posted:The comments mention a lot of new things. Compared to the PC version as we know it. Most important question of all: Will we have Tyranids instead of dickworms from now on?
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 00:03
|
|
|
Bholder posted:Most important question of all: Lustworms.  Is Tyranids the Realta Nua replacement name?
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 00:07
|
|
|
Cynic Jester posted:Oh wow, Grisaia is awesome. I'm 30 minutes into the game and I can't stop laughing at some of the lines.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 00:19
|
|
|
ViggyNash posted:Lustworms. They didn't change the RN names, they just redid the CGs and boy do they look like Tyrranids.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 00:22
|
|
|
DerLeo posted:They didn't change the RN names, they just redid the CGs and boy do they look like Tyrranids. Ooooh. Didn't realize you were talking about the CGs. Though how they manage to function the same way looking like that is a scary thought.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 00:31
|
|
|
Magic~.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 00:35
|
|
|
I think Deus Machina Demonbane is the only VN I've played with a beach episode in it. I didn't expect that one coming, not before I started playing and not after I saw what sort of a game this really was. So far, I really think this game would be better without the cthulhu-mythos and seriousness, or the wacky hijinks. I can't really take the less comedic parts seriously when nobody has died halfway(?) in, all collateral damage is purely structural (the main character even handwaves this) and the grimoires. Oh, and the gratuious amount of fanservice. Then again, the serious parts undermine the comedy for me. At least the mad scientist is great. Maybe things just get serious later on and comedy takes a backseat when that happens? e: Actually I remembered they go to the beach in Muv-Luv Unlimited too. Huh. I suppose it's more of a beach scene than an episode though. Ottumon fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jul 30, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 02:26
|
|
|
In Grisaia is it a lost in translation thing with why the MC always calls Amane the "Large Woman"? She doesn't seem particularly tall or large in any real respect from the CGs and sprites of her so far.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 02:33
|
|
|
Ibram Gaunt posted:In Grisaia is it a lost in translation thing with why the MC always calls Amane the "Large Woman"? She doesn't seem particularly tall or large in any real respect from the CGs and sprites of her so far. Nope, that's in the original. She's supposed to be unusually tall for a woman and has more meat on her bones than the others
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 03:04
|
|
|
Removing the Cthulu mythos from Demonbane? That's like its drawing point, otherwise it would be Giant Robot Anime #0278627384234234.Ottumon posted:Maybe things just get serious later on and comedy takes a backseat when that happens? It does. Then again, the mixture of "serious" and "slapstick" where you're supposed to switch your brain on and off between the two has never really bothered me.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 03:06
|
|
|
Goddamn Grisaia is hilarious. I did not expect to be laughing this hard so soon. The protagonist's ultra deadpan reaction to harem shenanigans is just wonderful to watch.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 03:56
|
|
|
Sachi is dropping constant  s right now. Poor Michiru. Grisaia has the best characters.Edit; "Uhm, is there more to this story about your pillow-raping friend?" "Wasn't rape. He had the pillow's consent." This is the most hilarious thing I've read in a long while. Cynic Jester fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jul 30, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 11:23
|
|
|
All of this talk about Fate/Stay Night has me really wanting to play it! Is it recommended to play Tsukihime first for any reason?
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:16
|
|
|
No reason at all, really. Especially if you're used to newer VNs, Tsukihime is pretty dated nowadays.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:18
|
|
|
UnL337 posted:All of this talk about Fate/Stay Night has me really wanting to play it! Is it recommended to play Tsukihime first for any reason? No. They take place in the same universe but have no real connection between them, and Tsukihime isn't as good anyway. Oddly, Tsukihime is moderately important to Fate/Extra, but Fate/Extra isn't as good either.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:34
|
|
|
Alrighty, looks like I'll be skipping Tsukihime for now, thanks!
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:38
|
|
|
I personally disagree, I liked Tsukihime more than Fate. They are similar works, but Tsukihime is less pretty and where Fate has shounen action scenes, Tsukihime is a bit more like a psychological thriller at times.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:49
|
|
|
Fate/Stay Night is better in every single way, but I still liked Tsukihime more. I found Shiki more interesting than Shirou and I liked the horror theme.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:50
|
|
|
One reason to play Tsukihime first is that it's a good VN, and if you play FSN (with its really high production values) first then the relatively cheaptastic art of Tsukihime would be difficult to stand in comparison.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 20:50
|
|
|
Reminalt posted:Fate/Stay Night is better in every single way, but I still liked Tsukihime more. I found Shiki more interesting than Shirou and I liked the horror theme. I found Shiki an absolutely terrible character. He's pretty inconsistent, for one thing; I'm having trouble thinking of an action that would be unambiguously out of character for him.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 21:01
|
|
|
Finished Sachi's route in Grisaia, probably the best one so far. The ending reminded me strongly of Kotomi's, from Clannad, save that it was much better done. Didn't rely as much on wild coincidence. The route overall was a lot stronger than Yumiko and Michuru's since the other girls were more involved. In those routes, the humor dropped off sharply because the girls aren't nearly as funny when they can't play off of each other.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 22:19
|
|
|
Silver2195 posted:I found Shiki an absolutely terrible character. He's pretty inconsistent, for one thing; I'm having trouble thinking of an action that would be unambiguously out of character for him. Kill Akiha and not go insane from guilt. Also, it's not so much inconsistency but the fact that he carries much more "real world" complexity with him in his motivations and actions. Most characters will generally fit a role or number of roles (the friend, the magus, the sibling, etc) and act accordingly, but Shiki is just a "some dude" with no overarching goals or a code he adherest to or strong driving motivations besides living his life. Hey, weren't you the one that was complaining about Rin acting out of character in Heavens Feel?
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 22:19
|
|
|
Ibram Gaunt posted:In Grisaia is it a lost in translation thing with why the MC always calls Amane the "Large Woman"? She doesn't seem particularly tall or large in any real respect from the CGs and sprites of her so far. She's 5'6½", which is pretty tall for a Japanese woman. BTW, everybody's heights (along with other stats) are listed in the OP. Yumiko - 5'4" Michiru - 5'1" Makina - 4'8¾" Sachi - 4'11½" Amane - 5'6½" Yuuji - 5'10" Chizuru - 5'1¾" JB - 5'7¾"
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 22:58
|
|
|
Nephilm posted:Kill Akiha and not go insane from guilt. He's pretty inconsistent. In the Kohaku route, he shows signs of actual moral principles that he never showed anywhere else (contrast with Ciel Good in particular). He talks about how he lives in the moment, but his main hobbies are sleeping and watching something generic on TV. He figures out a few things that, as Seorin points out, basically rely on having knowledge from other routes/endings. The rest of the time, he's an idiot. He cares so much about his dear little sister that he hasn't communicated with her in a decade. He's more afraid of death than other people, except when he's less afraid of death than other people. That's just off the top of my head. A lot of this can be explained by a whole bunch of influences (Ciel's Mystic Eyes of Whisper, Makihisa's hypnotism, Kohaku's drugs, his connection with SHIKI, Nanaya Inversion Impulse, and the strain from using the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception) messing with his brain, but that makes him very unlike a "real world" person. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jul 30, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2013 23:09
|
|
|
Real people aren't hypocritical and contradictory?
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 02:59
|
|
|
Just got the bad ending of Amane's route in Grisaia. Jesus loving christ, I think that might have been more badass than Sparks Liner High. Good lord. I'm kinda speechless right now, but I think that might have actually been the most  poo poo i've ever seen. Grisaia loving rules. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 11:36
|
|
|
Oh my god, the flowchart system in VLR! It's a thing of beauty. It's crazy to imagine all the time you'd save if it were implemented in other VNs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 13:17
|
|
|
Then again, considering the complexity of the various routes and the fact that you have to revisit every route after exploring other routes, it would have been neigh impossible without that flowchart. But I agree that really should be a staple of VNs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:13
|
|
|
I think you'd basically wind up with YU-NO if you ditched VLR's flowchart. Meaning you'd only be able to go back to certain parts (and even then only if you used an orb to "save" that spot). It was a game that required you going into routes to encounter dead ends which you would revisit later with different items or knowledge gained from other routes. It was exactly as frustrating as you'd expect when you don't have the ability to zip around to any section you want.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:23
|
|
|
Frustrating would be the perfect word. After seeing VLR, I'm surprised that VNs don't autosave at decision points and don't have convenient flowcharts showing at least where you've been. They seem like relatively simple additions that would greatly improve most VNs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:28
|
|
|
Finished Takeuchi's route in Canvas 2. The VN is pretty bland, but it could be worse. It's not terrible on a technical level, and aside from the basic creepiness of the premise and the porn, as usual, it's mostly just been rather boring. Takeuchi's and Hiroki's dialogue is actually pretty funny at times. The last part of her route was really rushed, though. Regarding Kiri: What the hell, the possibility of an actual, almost normal romantic relationship between two adults? It's so reasonable it's sort of creeping me out. Regarding Elis: Hahaha, holy poo poo. Her menstruation freaks her out to the point of depression because it reminds her of her parents' brutal death. Harsh! I'm not even kidding.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 18:26
|
|
|
Nate RFB posted:Oh my god, the flowchart system in VLR! It's a thing of beauty. It's crazy to imagine all the time you'd save if it were implemented in other VNs. It's even crazier than it looks because it hides the "end game" until you can logically reach it so you don't realize day one "oh this route will definitely kill me and that one right there is the 'true ending' I should aim for"
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 22:05
|
|
|
Still on the common route in Grisia but I'm starting to warm up to it a bit, the first few scenes had some funny moments but were kinda "eh" but things are finally starting to hit their stride. If there's one flaw though, it's lack of a voiced MC. Yuuji's lines are great, but would be even better if he had a voice behind it. This applies to Majikoi as well in my opinion. If you're going to give your MC a personality in a VN give him a VA goddamn it!!
|
|
#
?
Aug 1, 2013 00:26
|
|
|
Man, Makina transition from meek shy kid to mischievous brat that teases everyone is so freaking great. Poor Michiru. This is pretty great and I'm still on the Grisaia common route. The common route has been very entertaining. Great writing.
Stall_19 fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Aug 1, 2013 |
|
#
?
Aug 1, 2013 09:26
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 18:41 |
|
|
Yeah Grisaia is pretty special.
|
|
#
?
Aug 1, 2013 13:03
|
|
