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You could buy a road-going one too, through Pratt and Miller, for a while.
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sean10mm posted:Chevy sticking with pushrod engines for the Corvette is kind of like Porsche sticking with the rear-engine layout for the 911. You can say it's "wrong" all you want, but the results speak for themselves. Nobody drives a theory. Well, I'd argue that Porsche itself provides a pretty compelling argument for why the 911's engine placement is "wrong". It's called the Cayman.
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Yeah, that analogy is pretty flawed because pushrod engines at least have some advantages in terms of weight and packaging and are really good at making gobs of low-end torque. Rear engine layout is pretty objectively inferior to a mid-engine setup, Porsche has just worked really hard to mask the drawbacks of it.
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Q_res posted:Rear engine layout is pretty objectively inferior to a mid-engine setup, Porsche has just worked really hard to mask the drawbacks of it. The one benefit is having rear seat "space."
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I've also heard it provides better traction over the rear wheels in the winter, but surely the whole "lift off oversteer into a tree" thing is also worse in the winter too.
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Throatwarbler posted:I've also heard it provides better traction over the rear wheels in the winter, but surely the whole "lift off oversteer into a tree" thing is also worse in the winter too. Yeah but is it better or worse than some Corvette "snap oversteer into a *something*"?  (Okay now I know they pretty much mean the same thing) I don't really care though. The only thing I've ever oversteered myself into (or out of?) was a date. I drive FWD cars. 
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kimbo305 posted:The one benefit is having rear seat "space." That's one thing I never got about 911's. Would anyone notice if the rear seats were done away with? Are people going on family trips in those, because any kid with legs is just gonna be complaining the entire ride. 
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Jul 29, 2013 16:22
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davebo posted:That's one thing I never got about 911's. Would anyone notice if the rear seats were done away with? Are people going on family trips in those, because any kid with legs is just gonna be complaining the entire ride. If you're short, you probably don't have to put the seat all the way back in a 911, so children could actually fit back there. They probably engineer the seatbelts to clear the collars of polo shirts too.
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In college I rode to New Orleans in the back of an 82 911sc. I don't recommend this.
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dissss posted:The very small car class is always dubious value compared to something a size up unless you really do want the smaller size - its not like a Splash is any cheaper than a Swift either Yeah, the problem there is that in the US, most places were designed to accommodate the massive sedans that were the norm before the '70s. Most of the places where anything smaller than a Civic would be advantageous are densely populated cities where you can feasibly get around without any car. Though if Mitsubishi actually can end up matching the gas mileage of the old Geo Metro (which appreciated in value quite a bit when gas first hit $4/gallon), that might just attract respectable sales. You know that "lane keep assist" feature that some cars use to jerk you back into the lane if you drift off course? Acura is releasing a version which can, on highways with no more than gentle curves, do a respectable job of acting as an autopilot system (though it isn't explicitly designed or marketed as such): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0KRWJwA2Q And it looks like Lexus has had something similar since late 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS_TxOIqLfg This is making me even more excited to hear what Toyota has planned for the 4th gen Prius. Cockmaster fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 29, 2013 |
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Cockmaster posted:Yeah, the problem there is that in the US, most places were designed to accommodate the massive sedans that were the norm before the '70s. Most of the places where anything smaller than a Civic would be advantageous are densely populated cities where you can feasibly get around without any car. The latest version of cruise control. I like it...
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Linedance posted:If you're short, you probably don't have to put the seat all the way back in a 911, so children could actually fit back there. They probably engineer the seatbelts to clear the collars of polo shirts too.
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I'll chime in as a rear seat 911 rider as I had to ride (with another friend nevertheless) for 2 hrs in the back of a 964 Cabrio back in the early 90's. I think my knees still hurt. They only have seats still because owners bitch for them (insurance 2+2 savings) which I think still applies.
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I was a skinny kid with short parents that had to ride for multiple hours in the back of a 911 several times during my childhood. It wasn't so bad until puberty when I grew over 6ft. I left a big hair-grease mark on the back window and had to basically curl into the fetal position. On the plus side, we got where we were going really fast. Also, in winter it was pretty cozy with the engine acting like a defacto seat warmer. I have to say having at least some kind of rear seating came in handy quite a bit since most people fit well enough for a quick ride across town or for emergencies.
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I still remember at 10 years old how cramped it was in the back of my dad's '88 Mustang LX. I also remember my grandma telling me about how she had to cram in the back of some old car driving from D.C. to NYC. Is not having sufficient legroom really such a hardship that we carry the memory the rest of our lives? That's such a weird thing to never forget.
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davebo posted:I still remember at 10 years old how cramped it was in the back of my dad's '88 Mustang LX. I also remember my grandma telling me about how she had to cram in the back of some old car driving from D.C. to NYC. Is not having sufficient legroom really such a hardship that we carry the memory the rest of our lives? That's such a weird thing to never forget. Well I think its a war crime to put people in a cell the size of those rear seats, even if you don't do anything else to them, so thats some traumatic poo poo. I still remember one like 2 hour drive we took and the terrible headache I had from the combination of exhaust drone, my sitting position and the heat from the sun and engine compartment.
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davebo posted:That's one thing I never got about 911's. Would anyone notice if the rear seats were done away with? Are people going on family trips in those, because any kid with legs is just gonna be complaining the entire ride. I think 2 extra seats makes it a realistic daily driver. Being able to toss someone in the back for a couple miles is a huge benefit over a 2 seater. And unlike a 2-seater, you don't need to get rid of it immediately when your first kid is born. You can squeeze a few extra years out of that 911 easy - and since it is a 911 you're going to want to. Also golf clubs and luggage or something.
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Goober Peas posted:In college I rode to New Orleans in the back of an 82 911sc. I don't recommend this. My sister and I once went to the South of France and back in the back of an XJS. That wasn't particularly pleasant, but it was more than 20 years ago. The longest I could sit in the back of a 996 before it was too much was about an hour.
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sean10mm posted:The 6.2L LT1 engine in the C7 weighs 465 pounds. The 4.0L S65 in the BMW M3 weighs 445 pounds. The latter has 414 HP and gets 20 MPG on the highway, while the former has >450 HP and gets 30 MPG on the highway.
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Linedance posted:kids these days will grow up with memories of only having a whole bench or captain's seat to themselves The worst I've had to deal with was riding in the back of an old Ford Probe for a month or so. It was inconvenient, but not particularly uncomfortable (and it was the closest thing I'd ever been in to a sports car at the time, so I guess that's where my love of cars started, oddly enough). I would never condemn an adult to sit in the rear seats of my Mustang. One time my buddy's wife gave us a ride to the airport, and being shorter, he took the rear seat of his wife's Mustang (along with the one suitcase that wouldn't fit in the trunk). I still feel bad about that in a way, but more accurately I feel like I dodged a bullet.
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ynotony posted:I think 2 extra seats makes it a realistic daily driver. Being able to toss someone in the back for a couple miles is a huge benefit over a 2 seater. And unlike a 2-seater, you don't need to get rid of it immediately when your first kid is born. You can squeeze a few extra years out of that 911 easy - and since it is a 911 you're going to want to. This is also why they still sell a shitload of convertibles too, you can pile stuff back there (like golf clubs) with the top down. They also make it easier to jump in there. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jul 31, 2013 |
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davebo posted:That's one thing I never got about 911's. Would anyone notice if the rear seats were done away with? Are people going on family trips in those, because any kid with legs is just gonna be complaining the entire ride. This is where the dogs go.
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I've never been in the back of a 911, but aren't the seats in the coupe more usable though?
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Keyser S0ze posted:I'll chime in as a rear seat 911 rider as I had to ride (with another friend nevertheless) for 2 hrs in the back of a 964 Cabrio back in the early 90's. I think my knees still hurt. They only have seats still because owners bitch for them (insurance 2+2 savings) which I think still applies. I really think the "but it has a back seat" line is just some old wives' tale. I just ran some quotes for shits and grins and even though it'd cost about $20k more to buy / replace, full coverage on a C6 would run me about $2 per month more than on a Mustang GT. They're looking at statistical history of that particular model, not "does it have a back seat". At any rate my old man had a '74 911 until I was about 10, and even then I remember it being damned cramped back there. He replaced it with a then-new fourthgen Camaro and it felt like I had all the legroom in the world by comparison.
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It might make some impact on totally brand new vehicle rates as one of their initial inputs but yeah, with the amount of data collection that can be done now, it doesn't make sense to set insurance based on arbitrary factors.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I really think the "but it has a back seat" line is just some old wives' tale. Insurance risk calculations are really complex statistics that take a ton of variables into account. They aren't about to be fooled by the existence of back seats.
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I think the Porsche Panamera is a pretty swank car. Interior is nice too but that screen for the dash section has got to be updated. It's not as sexy as something like out of an Audi A8.  vs  
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You guys seriously pissing about 77 miles on a brand new ZL1? Im pretty sure the thing can handle being treated a little aggressively for less miles than someone's weekly total commute to work.
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Bob NewSCART posted:You guys seriously pissing about 77 miles on a brand new ZL1? Im pretty sure the thing can handle being treated a little aggressively for less miles than someone's weekly total commute to work. There's aggressively and there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ6atGhmVU8&t=38s I wouldn't sweat it, either.
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Gatts posted:I think the Porsche Panamera is a pretty swank car. https://www.lenscrafters.com <-- Please go get yourself checked out. The interior is nice, but goddamn the outside looks like a 911 mated with a blowfish.
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Mighty Horse posted:https://www.lenscrafters.com <-- Please go get yourself checked out. Ya its been a while and I just can't get into them. Even the Cayenne grew on me a little but the proportions just don't work.
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Styled like a CLS would work better?
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The Panamera's problem is that they didn't commit to making it an actual wagon or sedan and instead stuck some horrible half-assed liftback thing on there. I'm not sure CLS styling would really work since it might be a bit too far from typical Porsche design.
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ya it looks good from the front and 3/4 view but that rear end just doesn't work. I'm not a designer so I can't say what they should do or what exactly is wrong but its just "off". Like someone stretched the wheelbase of a 911 in their garage.
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And then teased us with what it would have looked like if they actually did build a wagon version.  And then said they won't build a wagon version.
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DropShadow posted:And then teased us with what it would have looked like if they actually did build a wagon version. God drat it, Porsche.
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ya that looks way better.Guinness posted:God drat it, Porsche. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh1ZFNoREjg Nelly is also the only rapper I've heard say it right.
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Xguard86 posted:ya it looks good from the front The gently caress it does. It looks like a bloated, overinflated 911. It's a disaster from basically every angle.
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