|
Chomp!
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 01:04 |
|
|
 I'm glad Reynardine is getting this all out of his system. Not healthy to keep all that bottled up inside.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:04
|
|
|
Well we know how he feels about his captivity I guess 
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:04
|
|
|
Good dog. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:05
|
|
|
SHISHKABOB posted:Yeah, and along with Rey's attitude as he flicks the match at her, I wouldn't be too surprised if this is not exactly a "Renard is murdering her by immolating her" but like maybe he is banishing her or something. Or something else, who knows. Nope. He's murdering her.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:07
|
|
|
Twist, that whole speech was just trying to hide the fact that he was really craving some shrimp.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:08
|
|
|
Whitenoise Poster posted:Twist, that whole speech was just trying to hide the fact that he was really craving some shrimp. "I'm sorry Hetty you just... you just look so delicious."
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:12
|
|
|
Renard no! That's not how you cook shrimp at all! You're never going to graduate from forest fox-wolf-doll culinary school like this!
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:21
|
|
|
Hetty memorial avatar. :<
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:22
|
|
|
RandomPauI posted:Chomp! I always love how unneccesary Toms comments tend to be.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:22
|
|
|
Endless Shrimp Days are back at Red Lobster™! 
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 08:23
|
|
|
Okay NOW we can assume Hetty is in danger of dying. I'm perfectly okay with this situation.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 09:28
|
|
|
This week on World's Deadliest Animals... Y'know I'd say Renard looks even scarier here than when he put Jack in his place and performing his majestic call combined.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 09:29
|
|
|
YES, I love this page.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 09:35
|
|
|
Man, now I'm hungry.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 09:36
|
|
|
I kinda wish we got a glimpse of Hetty before this chapter of her untimely demise. I feel like now she was dropped in just to give Renard some context, but instead of using an element the audience was familiar with we got a new element. While Hetty does help to serve in fleshing out the world and give us another perspective on Renard, she's a cardboard cut-out of a real character. Increasingly shown as irreconcilably evil only to give justification to Renard's murder in this chapter. People asking "Why was Renard okay with Hetty before this?" is a very valid question. In the beginning of the chapter it is shown that this is not the first time the two of hung out, and that Hetty often speaks of evil, loves it in fact, but her situation was never clear to Renard before this? Again, we have no prior context, and Hetty doesn't strike us as particularly sly or hiding of her activities, so are to to think that Renard was acting an idiot before hand? Prior context would help us understand the situation better and again, and serve to make Hetty seem more unlike an amateur writer's attempt at giving Renard some more depth and backstory.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 09:44
|
|
|
Before that page I thought it unlikely that we'd get completely rid of Hetty. It seemed quite unlike Tom to introduce and retire an important character in the same chapter. (She is a minor character overall, but in that chapter she was Renard's co-star and got more development than, say, Dr. Disaster did in his introductory chapter.) Even Basil, who did feel like a one-shot character, got cameos in later chapters; and Hetty as far as being Renard's possibly sole acquaintance outside of the main cast seemed relatively important. Now it does certainly seem like she's gone for good.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 10:35
|
|
|
Yeah, I was kind of holding back to see what sort of developments would come out of what was going on. Now, the chapter isn't over yet and there could be some surprise(s) awaiting, but as a day to day reader, this is the point where I feel really disappointed in this chapter.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 10:48
|
|
|
I think it's about 50-50 that Renard is banishing her from her body to free her from it, so she doesn't have an excuse for being a diabolical murdershrimp anymore.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 11:23
|
|
|
It's alright Hetty, I'll always remember you. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 12:04
|
|
|
Fookin' prawns.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 12:11
|
|
|
Even now you'll see that Reynard is biting between the visible shrimp-body and the doll. It certainly doesn't appear that Hetty is enjoying the process, but I think it's still a page or two too early to call it a killing. That said, I'd be pretty okay with him killing her at this point what with all the child murder. Characters that exist for a single chapter aren't anything new. Remember Alistair, the boy who appeared to give Kat some character development and then disappeared at the end of the chapter along with a note directly from the author saying she never saw him again (despite various fan theories that pop up about him every few chapters thereafter). It's a legitimate storytelling technique, especially in this case where the one-shot is specifically a foil for the character they're developing. Are we expecting to see Diego's projecto-doll again, or the power-station lady and her robot buddy? I'd be surprised if Basil ever comes back as anything other than a one-panel cameo. It's fair to say we could have had some more backstory on how they met (and might yet), but just speaking for myself I don't feel like it's necessary. Rey's interactions with her at the beginning of the chapter give us some idea of how things usually work. He just didn't happen to see Adam before today, and once he found out Adam was a small child all bets were off. And I don't really need or want to see The Further Adventures of Hetty, Psycho Shrimp Murder-Doll; what would that even consist of? "Hey, Reynard, I've found out about these wonderful things called 'guns' you can use to hurt or maim people! Aren't they excellent?" Then Rey shapechanges so he can shrug exasperatedly. "That's our Hetty!" he says, as sitcom music plays.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 12:21
|
|
|
The important difference being that none of those characters were being used to justify an established character resorting to murder? Alistair had his own development. We learned about him and through him, Kat. And then he left with a note from Tom saying he'd never return, but as part of the story, as you say, there's the possibility that he could return. Alistair didn't spend the entirety of his chapter saying how he'd butchered his parents and ending with Kat tearing out his throat with her teeth. Basil, too, is a character that is still alive. He wasn't there to give Annie character growth and then for her to slay. He was presented as a part of the world. And he even did come back to say hi once. His existence is still around. He has a character that extends past giving another character an excuse to do something. The other examples you give, the station lady & robot, the projecto-doll, these are not characters that were given a whole chapter to learn about or to provide growth to another. The projecto-doll you could argue because through its eyes we were seeing the past, because we weren't learning about it, we were learning about Diego and Jeanne. But in that case it is a literal object and was not shown to have any meaningful character at all except that it was a robot who saw something in the past.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 12:32
|
|
|
He's not slaying anybody, he's releasing a spirit from a trap it didn't belong in and presumably letting it vanish into the ether rather continue to fester in a body and place it hates to stop it from doing harm to others. That is not out of place in this story. That is literally what we've been waiting to see the kids do to Jeanne, only they won't use their teeth to do it so its OK? Calm down about this. And that weird faced robot kat awakened was totally introduced then killed never to return.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 13:23
|
|
|
Rasamune posted:Renard, you wear that mark with pride. Pride I say That's more like it, boy 
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:36
|
|
|
I think the important distinction here is that Hetty's behaviour isn't necessarily being used to justify murder. Many of us think her behaviour justifies murder, but that doesn't mean Tom does; that doesn't mean that Annie or Kat or any of the other characters would, if they ever found out. Renard probably does, because he's already said that he's okay with killing people in a "fair fight," but his values aren't necessarily the values of the story. I think Hetty and Alistair are very comparable; they both existed to serve another character's development. They're not totally different because the former raises more moral questions than the latter.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:44
|
|
|
Potsticker posted:I kinda wish we got a glimpse of Hetty before this chapter of her untimely demise. Huntersoninski posted:He's not slaying anybody, he's releasing a spirit from a trap it didn't belong in and presumably letting it vanish into the ether rather continue to fester in a body and place it hates to stop it from doing harm to others. Murderion posted:I think it's about 50-50 that Renard is banishing her from her body to free her from it, so she doesn't have an excuse for being a diabolical murdershrimp anymore.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:44
|
|
|
My only regret is not BRINGING SOME BUTTER Huh, somehow my joke guess was correct, I guess he was kind of hungry. This strengthens my belief that the body changes are only out of utility. Need some precision limbs to stomp and flick things? Dollmode activate! Need some chompin' pouncin' action? wolfmode activate! and that the whole "plaything of the body" stuff meant something different from "I have different personalities depending on my current form" Huntersoninski posted:He's releasing a spirit from a trap it didn't belong in and presumably letting it vanish into the ether rather continue to fester in a body and place it hates to stop it from doing harm to others. Yep, this is accomplished via murder.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 14:53
|
|
|
Pure Prawnage
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 15:27
|
|
|
RIP Hetty p.1210—p.1230 She will be inexplicably missed by some.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 15:32
|
|
|
Murderion posted:I think it's about 50-50 that Renard is banishing her from her body to free her from it, so she doesn't have an excuse for being a diabolical murdershrimp anymore. If her spirit is anything like Renard's, she dies if she doesn't find a new host immediately.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 15:46
|
|
|
Farewell, noble demon shrimp thing, I will miss you. I just love crazy characters. The more murderous the better.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 15:47
|
|
|
Angry Avocado posted:If her spirit is anything like Renard's, she dies if she doesn't find a new host immediately. Well the one thing we know is that it won't work exactly the same as Renard, since his power was a 'gift' of coyote, and when he gave it he lost that power so he couldn't have given it again to a murder shrimp.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 15:54
|
|
|
Blackheart posted:Yep, this is accomplished via murder. This. Remember that letting the soul vanishing into the ether is exactly what happens to (most) murdered humans, as recounted by Coyote. I don't really think Renard comes off as heroic here. At best, this can be argued as vigilante justice, but I disagree. My reading is that he's attacking her as a proxy for his own shame.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 15:59
|
|
|
Mmmmm, evil spirit shrimp... I like how Hettie is all <  > how could you!?
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 16:14
|
|
|
Blackheart posted:
So what? Is what the kids are planning with Jeanne murder? Why is nobody wringing their hands about justified murder with that plotline? Is kat ever going to be punished for that time she killed that robot with her own hands? Is tom supporting assisted suicide now?? Where is the justice in this comic! I never said this is the best option but just because a character does a thing you find morally questionable does not mean the storytelling is weak or the character is assassinated or the author supports murdering the mentally ill. edit: I'm actually wondering if Hetty has the proper version of Reynard's power, where she won't leave him dead after a possession, and winds up framing him for something. That bottle on the title page has to mean something. Rat Patrol fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jul 31, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 16:19
|
|
|
Huntersoninski posted:So what? Is what the kids are planning with Jeanne murder? Why is nobody wringing their hands about justified murder with that plotline? Jeanne is already dead. She's a ghost. What they want to do is no different than what the psychopomps had her do in the hospital, with the accidental arsonist boy who had to choose between an old crone and a scary dog. The robot was also something completely different. While it's compared to death, what she did was basically turn it on and then back off at its request. She could turn it back on at any time. A better comparison, if you want robot death, is that robot guard that spider Jack killed.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 16:35
|
|
|
dyzzy posted:I like how Hettie is all < I suppose she really thought they had a kinship being demons trapped in doll bodies. Betrayed by her own kind! Anyhow, I will miss Hetty but not because she herself was so awesome. Just because she's afforded up something more interesting than Renard's redemption arc into a noble beast. He's still a trickster god, hooray!
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 16:44
|
|
|
Huntersoninski posted:So what? Is what the kids are planning with Jeanne murder? Why is nobody wringing their hands about justified murder with that plotline? The robot thing is more subtle, but they definitely experience death in a different manner, and so have an alien cultural understanding of it. Translating any lesson directly to humanity kind of misses the point here. quote:I never said this is the best option but just because a character does a thing you find morally questionable does not mean the storytelling is weak or the character is assassinated or the author supports murdering the mentally ill. e:f,b FreeKillB fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 31, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 16:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 01:04 |
|
|
I think it's too early to draw any conclusions. I was frustrated by Tom's treatment of Coyote up to and especially in the The Great Secret by making him too wacky until the end of the chapter hit. This chapter made the entire setup for his characterization even better. This is very much a 'wait and see' kind of comic.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2013 16:58
|
|