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Sir John Feelgood posted:I don't see the Wii U outselling the GameCube. It's pretty crazy the PS4 will only be $50 more, and that comes with a 500gig HD and much, much more powerful hardware.
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MUFFlNS posted:Because they're in a significantly worse situation now compared to then, to the point where it makes the N64 and GameCube look like major successes in comparison. If you look back at the N64, 95% of the games that everyone remembers on it were Nintendo first party titles. So how exactly is Nintendo in a worse situation now than then?
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Jul 31, 2013 16:45
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Crowbear posted:Man this thread got really aggressive while I was asleep They are getting beaten by themselves.
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Jul 31, 2013 16:47
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Spalec posted:It's pretty crazy the PS4 will only be $50 more, and that comes with a 500gig HD and much, much more powerful hardware.
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Jul 31, 2013 16:51
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Spalec posted:It's pretty crazy the PS4 will only be $50 more, and that comes with a 500gig HD and much, much more powerful hardware. It, in theory, will also have online play worth a drat and have its respective handheld well integrated into its ecosystem.
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Jul 31, 2013 16:51
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fivegears4reverse posted:At any point during the last seven years Nintendo could have observed all the things to be prepared for as experienced by their competition, and they did nothing. Yeah, Nintendo should have had this all ready for 2011 not 2012. No excuse not to be. They were dancing in their money. CapnAndy posted:Meanwhile, the Wii sold 260k units in the same period. To be fair, PS2 was crushing PS3 for a long time after the PS3 was released.
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Jul 31, 2013 16:51
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Barudak posted:It, in theory, will also have online play worth a drat and have its respective handheld well integrated into its ecosystem.
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Jul 31, 2013 16:55
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Nintendo has stated their unfamiliarity with HD and the earthqueake were major reasons for the game delays. Nintendo's been a bunch of loving luddites for a long time, honestly. Disc-based media? Whatever, enjoy your load times, scrubs. The Internet? Flash in the pan, who needs it. HD TVs? Haha that won't catch on, have an HDMI cable or something we guess, now shut up. This is the inevitable end result of 20 years of the arrogance to think they can stand athwart history and yell "Stop!"
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Jul 31, 2013 16:56
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CapnAndy posted:It's astounding that they think that's a valid excuse in the year of our Lord two thousand and loving thirteen. If that pattern follows then they're going to figure out Online at some point during the WiiU's lifecycle, but we'll need to wait till the next console for them to get HD right.
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Jul 31, 2013 16:59
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CapnAndy posted:It's astounding that they think that's a valid excuse in the year of our Lord two thousand and loving thirteen. Agreed. Nintendo must have been doing jack poo poo in 2009 and 2010 but telling everyone they were busy busy.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:01
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TaurusOxford posted:Except no gamer who knows any better is gonna buy a WiiU for next-gen games. Using your example, why the hell would I buy Arkham Origins for the WiiU when I can get it for PS4 where it will look and play far better? -They want to play Nintendo's exclusive franchises as well -Only have enough money to buy one system. -The WiiU is cheaper overall (no need to rebuy controllers at $60 each as well) -In November the WIiU will have an existing (though small) library of games already, compared to the much smaller PS4/XBO Library at launch -They want off screen play. -They don't want to have to pay for online play. -The WiiU is backwards compatible, so they can trade in their Wii for extra money towards the system. But if they just want to play it on the console that looks the best and don't care for Mario or Zelda, then they'll probably get another console.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:02
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Well, their eschewal of HD graphics was so the Wii would be affordable. Its low price allowed people to indulge their curiosity.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:02
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Pixeltendo posted:But aren't pretty much most Nintendo games mass appealed to all ages? Lots of people old and young still play Pokemon.. And Pokemon's main series is solely on the handhelds, which doesn't help their console sales. Katana Gomai posted:Do you even know what an Amiga is, you idiot? Here's a list of loving awful Amiga games which genuinely stink: Monkey Island, The Settlers, Lemmings, Cannon Fodder, Dune II, Flashback, Wings, Turrican, Pirates, Sim City, Worms, North & South, Civilization, ... That sure is a list of games that were on the PC, SNES, Macintosh, and several other systems as well! Interesting fact: only 4 million Amigas were sold, worldwide, over the 10 years they were available. Feel free to compare that to any major game console. Sir John Feelgood posted:I don't see Nintendo recapturing the casual market with a home console again. They got away with "We're not even competing" once. Now they have to compete. If their next console isn't attractive to third parties, they can either be satisfied with GameCube numbers or leave the market. To be fair, Wii games didn't look that bad so long as they were being used on old standard def CRTs, and the country didn't go majority HD until several years after it came out. For the first few years, plenty of people were content with what you could get out of it, especially with it costing $150 less than a base 360 and $250 less then a base PS3. Strange Matter posted:Worse how? The SNES easily trounced their competition sales wise, but when the PS1 came out all of their third parties jumped ship to develop for Playstation, including Squaresoft who went to produce arguably that generation's defining game on their competitor's console. Plus it came out the same year that they discontinued the Virtual Boy, which many would argue was the biggest flop in the industry since ET. Eh, the SNES vs Genesis was like 49 million versus 41 million. Nothing like the next generation where it was 102 million vs 33 million vs 9 million (PSX, N64, Saturn). Or the previous generation where it went NES -> SMS -> 7800 at 62 million vs 15 million vs 4 million. All told the 16 bit era was about the closest generation we've ever seen for the major systems.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:07
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Astro7x posted:-They want to play Nintendo's exclusive franchises as well This sure is a list of points that has been talked to death here, especially since some of the points are misinformed and stretching to make the WiiU look better. The only thing that I will comment on is that your November line about an existing library of games is going to go to poo poo when third party and indie developers constantly release on the XB1/PS4 within the first month of both consoles lifetime that will make this non-existent advantage go away. Especially having the benefit of them being actual new games instead of year old retreads
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Jul 31, 2013 17:08
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TaurusOxford posted:Except no gamer who knows any better is gonna buy a WiiU for next-gen games. Using your example, why the hell would I buy Arkham Origins for the WiiU when I can get it for PS4 where it will look and play far better?
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Jul 31, 2013 17:09
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Install Windows posted:All told the 16 bit era was about the closest generation we've ever seen for the major systems.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:09
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Install Windows posted:To be fair, Wii games didn't look that bad so long as they were being used on old standard def CRTs, and the country didn't go majority HD until several years after it came out. For the first few years, plenty of people were content with what you could get out of it, especially with it costing $150 less than a base 360 and $250 less then a base PS3.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:10
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Crowbear posted:Man this thread got really aggressive while I was asleep That's worse than my most pessimistic prediction. At this point they need to slash the price by a good 40~50%. Those sales are abysmal.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:13
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Sir John Feelgood posted:Arkahm Origins isn't coming out for next-gen systems. That's not the point, but I'm just saying. The person I was replying to used Arkham Origins as an example so I went with it. I could make the same point with AC4 Black Flag.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:14
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Sir John Feelgood posted:Arkahm Origins isn't coming out for next-gen systems. That's not the point, but I'm just saying. Speaking of Arkham Origins, its multiplayer mode was just announced today, but only for the PS3, 360, and PC. Seems even Warner Bros (one of the most supportive 3rd parties) is losing faith in the Wii U.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:15
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Astro7x posted:-They want to play Nintendo's exclusive franchises as well Must be nice living in fantasy land.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:15
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CapnAndy posted:Haven't all three consoles spent time in the lead this gen? As it stands, the Wii's at 100 million, the 360's at 77 million, and the PS3 is also at 77 million. Obviously the 360 was ahead for that full year of release it had before the Wii/PS3 came out, but the Wii stayed ahead of the PS3 easily and quickly got ahead of the 360 as well.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:16
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Are people honestly amazed that the Wii's initial drive is fading out. How long can you waggle the 'mote with grandma until it gets repetitive. I'm not hating on anything, just saying, does this really come as a shock after all the turgid shovelware, plus lukewarm reception of similar competing concepts such as kinect and move.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:19
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Ka0 posted:Are people honestly amazed that the Wii's initial drive is fading out. How long can you waggle the 'mote with grandma until it gets repetitive. I'm not hating on anything, just saying, does this really come as a shock after all the turgid shovelware, plus lukewarm reception of similar competing concepts such as kinect and move. I think people are amazed at how quickly it faded it out and how badly botched almost every facet of this launch is. There is pretty much nothing to point at in this launch that says Nintendo has learned anything about the years 2006-2012 much less the years 1996-2005. Also, Kinect wasn't luke-warm per se, for a midlife console attachment its probably one of the top performers at 30% attachment and allegedly managed to make back its insane launch costs.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:22
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I'm totally gonna pick up a used Wii U in 4 to 6 years or when it gets thoroughly hacked. It's gamefaqs level gamers.txt all the way down.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:29
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Geek U.S.A. posted:Must be nice living in fantasy land.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:30
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So what would Nintendo have to do here to have a chance at salvaging the situation? I personally feel even if they do attempt a relaunch during the Christmas period, what possible chance do they have of creating consumer interest? They couldn't manage it when they practically had no competition and now they have to deal with marketing from Microsoft and Sony.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:35
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Asuron posted:So what would Nintendo have to do here to have a chance at salvaging the situation? Price Drop, Ad Campaign, Games, and Software that should exist in 2013 instead of 2006 (hey guys it's me again bitching about the operating system)
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Jul 31, 2013 17:35
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Zomodok posted:Price Drop, Ad Campaign, Games, and Software that should exist in 2013 instead of 2006 (hey guys it's me again bitching about the operating system) I remember before E3 2012 I had a fever dream that the WiiU's home screen would be a world screen from Mario 3, where each level was either an app or a folder you could open to access content or services.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:40
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Asuron posted:So what would Nintendo have to do here to have a chance at salvaging the situation? That accounts for only so many sales, though. Unless they come out with something ingenious, I predict lifetime sales will be < 20 million.
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Zomodok posted:Price Drop, Ad Campaign, Games, and Software that should exist in 2013 instead of 2006 (hey guys it's me again bitching about the operating system) They also should probably work on better unifying their Handheld/Console experience in a way that doesn't involve internet tunneling or whatever term they came up with for "you can play your portable videogame online but only when near your home console"
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Jul 31, 2013 17:41
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Install Windows posted:As it stands, the Wii's at 100 million, the 360's at 77 million, and the PS3 is also at 77 million. Zomodok posted:Price Drop, Ad Campaign, Games, and Software that should exist in 2013 instead of 2006 (hey guys it's me again bitching about the operating system) Best solution might be to blow it all up and go third party. Not permanently! Get your R&D guys working on first being able to match next gen stuff, and then tell them "okay, now figure out what's next". They'll have plenty of time. Meanwhile you can figure out HD game development in an environment where three decent games a year is actually okay, because you're not carrying the weight of supporting an entire console on your shoulders any more. Plus, it might be the only way they'll ever figure out what other people want. Force them to develop in someone else's environment and actually see what it's like compared to theirs. Rub their noses in what's expected of a modern game studio, including using the Internet. Who knows, a miracle might happen and they might even realize why the other way is better and they've been hamstringing themselves by insisting on proprietary bullshit.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:53
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CapnAndy posted:Best solution might be to blow it all up and go third party. Not permanently! Get your R&D guys working on first being able to match next gen stuff, and then tell them "okay, now figure out what's next". They'll have plenty of time. Meanwhile you can figure out HD game development in an environment where three decent games a year is actually okay, because you're not carrying the weight of supporting an entire console on your shoulders any more.
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Strange Matter posted:It would be kind of amazing if that happened but it's the biggest pipe dream yet imagined. If Nintendo had a lick of sense they'd at least put one team on third party development, because for gently caress's sake. You aren't just getting beaten, you're getting stepped on like an ant. Your competitors don't even seem to notice they're crushing you. Maybe, just loving maybe, getting some intelligence on what they're doing that you're not would be a good thing. Arrogance. It all comes back to how utterly arrogant they are.
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Jul 31, 2013 17:59
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If they dropped out of the home console market, they would just focus everything they have on handhelds.
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Jul 31, 2013 18:01
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I want Nintendo to admit the WiiU is a failure and stop refusing to release console VC games on the 3DS in their desperate attempt to prevent the 3DS from cannibalizing WiiU sales. I want to play Earthbound, and I want to give Nintendo my money, but they're only getting $10. Not $360.
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Jul 31, 2013 18:02
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Sir John Feelgood posted:If they dropped out of the home console market, they would just focus everything they have on handhelds.
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Jul 31, 2013 18:03
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Sir John Feelgood posted:If they dropped out of the home console market, they would just focus everything they have on handhelds. Pretty much this, and as much as I love Nintendo's home console stuff, I'd be fine with them only working on Handheld stuff if it came down to that. They'll become a handheld only company long before they even think about becoming a third party for another companies home console.
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I think Nintendo makes beautiful home console games, so I hope they don't do that. I played New Super Mario Bros. U, and I thought it looked great. I think Mario Kart 8 looks great too. I can't wait to play Wind Waker in HD.
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CapnAndy posted:I said "best", not "most likely".
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