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Rurik posted:Ok, that's great. Just play the long game -- conquer your way to the coast, get a fleet and then go raiding. And actually, if you're near present day Ukraine, it's not unusual to get Muslim preachers once the Abbasids (or similar) start eating into Turkmenistan/Cumania.
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But I've run across another problem with my plan to convert into Sunni. The Russian duchies don't get any any navies and there are Tengri Magyars and Cumans as well as Orthodox Byzantines between them and the nearest Muslims. (And if the Russians even had navies, I think only the Norse could navigate rivers.) So there's practically no way to siege a Muslim province and take potential concubines prisoners. Taking them via diplomatic screen is also impossible, because "----- Sunni faith prohibits taking concubines". And cause there's so much land and different realms between me and the Muslims, it's unlikely a preaching Muslim will show up anytime soon.
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You could ruler-design a Sunni with some daughters and put him in charge of a Baltic duchy or something, then save/load as your own Russian ruler and engineer a way for both of you to cross paths somehow.
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Rurik posted:Ok, that's great. I don't think a Muslim will ever let you marry anyone from his court. Maybe they'd allow a pagan courtier but I don't know for sure. There's no cheat to have people auto-accept diplomatic action as far as I know, but you can use "neg_diplo" then use "play <charid>" and forcibly accept whatever diplomatic action you send, then switch back.
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The easiest way to convert to Sunni without having someone appropriate in your court, or the appropriate religion, is to carve a swathe to the nearest Sunni province, wait for them to holy war you, and then convert. You could also see if you can get a Persian Zoroastrian or something in your court and give him land. I've observed that they have a chance, small as it is, to bring in a Shia Persian when they populate their courts, and that Shia will usually call in Shia women and start a family. Not quite the same as Sunni, but still Muslim. As a ruler you'd probably have better luck marrying one of them. Something else I've observed is that you can, as a pagan, manage to marry African pagans; they do have the malus for infidel, but you can bribe them and their lord up enough to let it go through, if they aren't particularly important. I've found it works best if you arrange betrothals between minors, lords seem more accepting of that. When/if Africa gets conquered and converted, you might have some Sunni Africans brought in to court if you can start by bringing in and giving land to a dude, and letting him keep his culture in the county you give him.
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So the navy.. anyway for ships to attack eachother?
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Rapdawg posted:So the navy.. anyway for ships to attack eachother? Nope, just friendly ships passing in the night.
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Soooo, i was playing my first game, and after a while i get a plot objective to kill my wife. At this point in the game, the three duchies around mine are at war, and i figure it would be a nice moment to attack. Then i remember i need a claim, and that my current king has 7 military strength, while his son has 17. But suicide isn't really an option. I raise taxes, and do everything i can to make people dislike me so they assassinate me or something, then i try to kill my wife, succeed, but the assassin gets caught. Shortly after, my king falls ill, i don't know if it's because of a plot or natural, then dies. The heir takes over, and at this moment a claim is fabricated, i go to invade the neighbor while his armies are somewhere else. EVERYTHING WENT ACCORDING TO PLAN This game is awesome.
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I've been playing as a Republic for a while and I really enjoy being able to hoard money and keep on playing even when I'm not the Doge. Still, is there anything more? I can't be a patrician and somehow have a claim to a kingdom or duchy? Can I destroy the other Republics (Genoa can be very annoying) or it's all going to be wars for trading posts?
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Rurik posted:I don't know about this problem, so maybe. It was ironic, actually - people always complained about not being able to colonize California as Japan, and no one complained about not being able to colonize the Philippines from Peru 
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Does any one know of a Gender Equality mod that doesnt require CK2+?
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radlum posted:I've been playing as a Republic for a while and I really enjoy being able to hoard money and keep on playing even when I'm not the Doge. Still, is there anything more? I can't be a patrician and somehow have a claim to a kingdom or duchy? Can I destroy the other Republics (Genoa can be very annoying) or it's all going to be wars for trading posts? You still can go to wars and take land, you also have special CB on those who hold counties with your trading post in addition to claim fabrication/holy war. You can become duke in king-level republics like Venice or Genoa. Pressing a claim to kingdom will convert it to republic with you as doge if you only hold cities, if you have castles you might become feudal.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Does any one know of a Gender Equality mod that doesnt require CK2+? The CK2+ one doesn't actually need CK2+ running, I don't think. Otherwise check my post history of this thread, I posted the one I made & use 10~ pages back
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Yeah I looked it up, it's a simple matter of putting # in front of the basch requirement. Thanks though. Wiz can't guarantee CK2+ will work with the converter so im gonna play vanilla to play it safe, but I need to be able to have my dynasty of queens.
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I just conquered England as William de Normandie and it made my demesne explode to 32/5. Is there some way to prevent my automatic seizing of all these locations? Was it related to all the holdings I sieged during the war? Is there a way to hand these holdings out to the right vassals in a way that isn't mind-numbingly tedious?
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fleshweasel posted:I just conquered England as William de Normandie and it made my demesne explode to 32/5. Is there some way to prevent my automatic seizing of all these locations? Was it related to all the holdings I sieged during the war? Is there a way to hand these holdings out to the right vassals in a way that isn't mind-numbingly tedious? What you could do is whenever you want to hand out a county click 'include lower titles'. It will automatically give out cities, temples and castles without having to go through each and every one of them. The person holding them will get to dole them out. This also helps with 'x desires the city/temple/barony of x' which is a pain in the rear end to deal with after the fact.
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fleshweasel posted:I just conquered England as William de Normandie and it made my demesne explode to 32/5. Awesome! This is way better than having twenty some odd non-culture vassals pissed off at you. Get a posse of Normans to help you deal with this noise. fleshweasel posted:Is there some way to prevent my automatic seizing of all these locations? Was it related to all the holdings I sieged during the war? Yes. Any holdings you conquered during the war becomes yours. If you just take one holding and enforce demands, then you get that one holding. It's better to take as much land as you can then hand it out to loyal same-culture vassals than to inherit a country where 99% of the lords hate you. fleshweasel posted:Is there a way to hand these holdings out to the right vassals in a way that isn't mind-numbingly tedious? Use 'Include lower titles' to hand off whole chunks in one go. You can use this to hand off a ducal title including all counties and baronies... if you want one guy to hold a duchy and all the counties in it (you don't unless he's your heir).
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I think "include lower titles" will also hand out the castles, temples, and cities under a county, which will let the AI count do all the tedious clicking (though it may mean the AI keeps, say, a second castle in a county and becomes more powerful than you might otherwise want).
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I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I'm curious: in general how accurate is the CK2 depiction of feudal structures? Wikipedia is kind of vague on this, but I've heard that in particular the Byzantines and Muslims didn't have a whole lot of vassalage in their government.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I'm curious: in general how accurate is the CK2 depiction of feudal structures? Wikipedia is kind of vague on this, but I've heard that in particular the Byzantines and Muslims didn't have a whole lot of vassalage in their government. I believe it's pretty accurate for western Europe, less so for everyone else.
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You ever get to a point in a game where you're just so powerful you've lost all interest..
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Pretty much any general structure of feudalism is going to be flawed. In particular, CK2's model uses a kind of pseudofeudalism from the War of the Roses where a count vassal to a Duke, but not the King. Kings were a Big Deal in Western Europe and that county would still owe fealty to the master of the realm as a whole. The game doesn't really represent that. Once a vassal takes another as a subvassal, the king no longer has any real way of interacting with them in the capacity of "you hold a province in my realm; I own you".BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You ever get to a point in a game where you're just so powerful you've lost all interest..
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Dallan Invictus posted:I think "include lower titles" will also hand out the castles, temples, and cities under a county, which will let the AI count do all the tedious clicking (though it may mean the AI keeps, say, a second castle in a county and becomes more powerful than you might otherwise want). You can also use the random char generator for all the baronies you don't want the count to inherit (or just all of them except the county seat). Once all the baronies are handed out (takes like 5-10 seconds per county) give the country title and all lower titles to whoever you want to have it.
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I picked up The Old Gods during the last sale, and I've been having a ball with it. Started out with Haraldr Fairhair and by the time he was 50 I ruled all of Norway and Denmark. To be fair though, the only reason I got Denmark was the last Danish king made the mistake of converting to Christianity. I used it as a great chance to learn how Prepared Invasions worked!  I have a few questions though.
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Is there a mod out there that simply lets everyone use the major rivers? I kinda want that and so that everyone can raid in some capacity (Musilms raid with boats like Norse, everyone else can raid neighbors like non-norse pagans).
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You ever get to a point in a game where you're just so powerful you've lost all interest.. All the time, the only thing to do is either tart over or try to make the current game interesting by eithe adding self made conditions or purposfully sabotageing the realm, granting independance to a bunch of powerful vassels or saveing and reloading as a small fry in your current game. I had a game going after the Norman conquest of England where I was playing the last of the Saxon Nobles with the goal of reclaiming England for the Saxons. I gain control of England France and Ireland and in the process set to exterminating House Normandy. Unfortunatly I dont do a complete job and they survive with a moderate ducal title under me in Spain. So after awhile I reload as them and seek vengence for my house
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Rurik posted:Goon reasons? I can give you good reasons, but even though Paradox has honored us with its presence I don't think SA is that prominent. Well, there is this:
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Well, there is this: Is that a legit event or something someone modded in? in either case 
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Mickey McKey posted:Is that a legit event or something someone modded in? in either case Posted by Johan.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I don't want to derail the thread too much, but I'm curious: in general how accurate is the CK2 depiction of feudal structures? Wikipedia is kind of vague on this, but I've heard that in particular the Byzantines and Muslims didn't have a whole lot of vassalage in their government. The best way to model the Byzantine theme system would be have mayors be in control of all of the counties and the Dukes have their succession laws set to None so when the current ruler dies their family returns to Constantinople and you replace him. It's a lot of micromanagement but really there is a reason you call things Byzantine when it's somewhat backwards and tedious for what appears to be little gain.
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Im really having a hard time getting into this game. Any goons playing tonight?
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Alkanos posted:I picked up The Old Gods during the last sale, and I've been having a ball with it. Started out with Haraldr Fairhair and by the time he was 50 I ruled all of Norway and Denmark. To be fair though, the only reason I got Denmark was the last Danish king made the mistake of converting to Christianity. I used it as a great chance to learn how Prepared Invasions worked! Great Holy Wars are crusades for reformed pagans. Disabling Sunset Invasion should stop the invasion from ever happening, but I have no idea what happens if you disable it after the Aztecs invade. You can also use the console to switch to the Aztec leader, disband all their armies and gently caress with their vassals as much as possible without unpausing, which should have the same net effect. You have no control over your vassals' inheritance laws, but the AI doesn't seem to change them often unless a faction wins a civil war.
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You can disable Sunset Invasion on a saved game where SI was previously enabled with no ill effects so long as the Amazons haven't actually invaded yet. I did that myself after I got my first taste. Fuckers cheat.
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CapnAndy posted:You can disable Sunset Invasion on a saved game where SI was previously enabled with no ill effects so long as the Amazons haven't actually invaded yet. I did that myself after I got my first taste. They're Aztecs, but that sounds like a mod in waiting.
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CapnAndy posted:You can disable Sunset Invasion on a saved game where SI was previously enabled with no ill effects so long as the Amazons haven't actually invaded yet. I did that myself after I got my first taste. Try the Zoro start and get the Seljuks to invade. There is no way to fight them at all due to your middling supply limits in Khiva.
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CapnAndy posted:You can disable Sunset Invasion on a saved game where SI was previously enabled with no ill effects so long as the Amazons haven't actually invaded yet. I did that myself after I got my first taste. I've actually yet to get a game up to the Aztec invasion since I bought that DLC. Are they really that bad?
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Yureina posted:I've actually yet to get a game up to the Aztec invasion since I bought that DLC. Are they really that bad? The one game I actually played with them as Empire of Britannia I had no loving way of dealing with them. Turned it off after that.
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Yureina posted:I've actually yet to get a game up to the Aztec invasion since I bought that DLC. Are they really that bad? chunkles posted:The one game I actually played with them as Empire of Britannia I had no loving way of dealing with them. Turned it off after that. They. Cheat. It's not a challenge and it's not fun, it goes so far overboard that it's just the computer jerking off and making you watch. I did not sign up for that sort of bullshit.
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I'd hate to see how you would react to a Persia game.
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Yeah, I really don't know why anyone who ever faced a horde would buy Sunset Invasion. There's nothing particularly enjoyable in it, as there's no real skill involved in dealing with them. It's simply "Are you unbelievably huge enough to be able to collect onto a single fleet more forces than they have in their doomstack?" If so, you can beat them. If not, there's nothing whatsoever you can do to stop them. It's only interesting as "a thing that happens on the other side of the map, away from you, and shakes things up." Terrible to face as a player.
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I imagine it's more interesting when you're not the guy the Aztecs are going to sit on first. If you're situated in central Europe and Aztecs are moving east while the Mongols are moving west and both have conquered massive swaths of territory already, I'd imagine it'd be a bit more intense. One of my gripes with this game is that occassionally just by forming a mid-sized kingdom you're big enough to push everyone around since the AI has problems progressing beyond the 'petty fiefdoms fighting miserable little wars' stage. I honestly wouldn't mind a tiny bit of rubber banding to keep things competitive all the way through.
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