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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:It's literally like D&D (more accurately, WH40K), and was one of the ancestors of D&D. Little figures on a map with stats and an objective rule system, different sides play against each other. Wargames conducted by professional militaries usually involve live excercises involving actual-factual personnel and equipment. Millenium challenge 2002 involved thousands of troops conducting training excercises. This is part of why they "refloated" the fleet after Van Riper's stunt- because they'd spent hundreds of millions staging the excercises and wanted to actually get some training done.  HSV-X1 Joint Venture taking part in Millenium Challenge 2002.
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Man, you guys are being such dicks to Van Riper. Dude gave them the best lesson that money was ever going to get them, regardless of his D&D (not this drat forum) tricks, which have been exaggerated here, especially considering what "Blue" assumed themselves. Look at this loving dude. Look at his name. I'm not gonna tell him he's wrong. (13th time this guys face is in this thread is the charm.)  Edit: Does this mean "herp derp aircraft carriers are over!" No. Does this mean "herp derp there are some serious vulnerabilities in the USN that could be exposed in an unlikely but entirely fesable perfect storm." Yes. Cesar Cedeno fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 2, 2013 |
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KoldPT posted:
In the top one he doesn't believe that, hes putting them together to show how stupid people are who believe that. You get alot of people here in UK who believe if you're not in the armed forces your opinion is void on the armed forces and you get called a pussy, a gay, a pinko etc.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23389757 quote:Frankie Boyle hunger strike in support of Shaker Aamer.
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Nckdictator posted:This is fairly sweet. Isn't he sweet. http://i.imgur.com/efJixGa.jpg Linked for NSFL. I wonder what he'll shave to support these kids.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Isn't he sweet. Y'know, I really dislike and don't see the relevance of all that 'such-and-such is kind to children/has deep personal experiences/loves animals/loves art/whatever' stuff. I'm sure they are, but who gives a solitary gently caress? What makes authentic inner experience a privileged site of truth? Let's go for broke here:  'Look at this lovely man: he's kind to animals, loves his girlfriend, cares deeply for art. We shouldn't allow petty political differences to cloud our judgement of this deep and sensitive soul.'
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Aug 3, 2013 00:13
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Humans are complex and contradictory creatures, hopefully we will get some actual news at 11. Guess the Chinese Communist leader and win a prize!
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Aug 3, 2013 00:17
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Someone here must know which album this song is on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po09lcDxXIA Buena Vista Social Club - Hasta Siempre Commandante
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Josef bugman posted:Humans are complex and contradictory creatures, hopefully we will get some actual news at 11. Zhou Enlai 
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Josef bugman posted:Humans are complex and contradictory creatures, hopefully we will get some actual news at 11. Zhou Enlai.  Edit: gently caress Beat.
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Branis posted:Zhou Enlai Well I know the guy on the right is Ho Chi Minh, right?  I always think its fascinating how Zhou, according to some readings, basically have to stop Mao from loving things up pretty much constantly. Like he was trying to keep the most populace country on earth together and also has to deal with the boss essentially not being all there.
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Gay Abortions posted:Any chance of a translation? I'd love to see what horrifying imperialism this fully contains. http://mangafox.me/manga/our_alliance_a_lasting_partnership/v01/c001/1.html - I remember reading it before and was amazed at the cutesy attempt to propaganda.  
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Youtube recommended this video to me, I blame all of you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAm-kbzT7xw Jewish people are literally aliens from the future and all the evils of capitalism is the fault of male Martians.
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botany posted:Someone here must know which album this song is on! related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvn4CeaJp_s
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Top Gun Reference fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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Aug 3, 2013 03:22
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Sidney Poitier, Harry Belafonte, and Charlton Heston at the March on Washington.
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Charlton Heston: Charlton Heston:  Also Charlton Heston: 
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On the subject of the March on Washington, Bill Moyers did an excellent piece on John Lewis, for the 50th anniversary of the march: http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-john-lewis-marches-on/  (4th from left) Moyers continues to do amazing work. If you haven't seen his new work yet, I highly recommend it.
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Pobama posted:Edit: Does this mean "herp derp aircraft carriers are over!" No. Does this mean "herp derp there are some serious vulnerabilities in the USN that could be exposed in an unlikely but entirely fesable perfect storm." Yes. Yeah I don't think it means carriers are useless, I do think it means that they're incredibly vulnerable and the US puts way too much stock in them. Navies of the world had the same opinion of battleships before WWII (they were masters of the sea blah blah blah blah) and then witnessed them sinking to large numbers of airplanes. I don't see how missiles aren't capable of doing the same to aircraft carriers.  Hole left in USS Cole after a fishing vessel full of explosives drove into it.
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Rand alPaul posted:Yeah I don't think it means carriers are useless, I do think it means that they're incredibly vulnerable and the US puts way too much stock in them. Navies of the world had the same opinion of battleships before WWII (they were masters of the sea blah blah blah blah) and then witnessed them sinking to large numbers of airplanes. I would say though that the USS Cole was stationary when that attack happened. Additionally, carriers often tend to run around with escort. Carriers do need to take great care in general, however. 
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SkySteak posted:I would say though that the USS Cole was stationary when that attack happened. Additionally, carriers often tend to run around with escort. Carriers do need to take great care in general, however. There are many countries currently looking for cheaper means of fielding effective navies. Even with air escorts, early warning, and all other capabilities, there is still the problems of dealing with a numerically superior and diffuse force. With AA missiles being available to every force on the planet, there's nothing keeping a navy consisting of small boats and fishing vessels from arming them with several manpads to act as a screening force for a bunch of missile boats like the one below. They might not be state of the art, or even be able to manage 5:1 ration of their ships destroyed for ours taken out, but they are vastly cheaper, easier to replace and train crew, and they don't risk losing a politically and strategically important asset. Just throw poo poo loads of cheap 1970's anti-ship missiles at us till one hits. It is the equivalent of the insugency tactics we are having so much difficulty with in Iraq and Afghanistan. I did electronic warfare(read: missile defense) in the Navy, and our nightmare scenario was to have 10+ anti-ship cruise missiles fired at us at once. Jamming, chaff, and things like CWIS and other "hard kill" defenses we were simply unable to deal with that much poo poo at once, and with each missile boat carrying 2 missiles, and with nations being able to realistically send out 20+ ships if not more for a serious attack, you can see how that could overwhelm even a perfectly coordinated and performed defense. And even worse, some yokel can just pack a bunch of boom onto a go-fast and take a run at us in the middle of the night. We might see him and we might not, but a USS Cole scenario is still possible underway. 
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E, bad points.
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Nyyen posted:There are many countries currently looking for cheaper means of fielding effective navies. Even with air escorts, early warning, and all other capabilities, there is still the problems of dealing with a numerically superior and diffuse force. With AA missiles being available to every force on the planet, there's nothing keeping a navy consisting of small boats and fishing vessels from arming them with several manpads to act as a screening force for a bunch of missile boats like the one below. They might not be state of the art, or even be able to manage 5:1 ration of their ships destroyed for ours taken out, but they are vastly cheaper, easier to replace and train crew, and they don't risk losing a politically and strategically important asset. Just throw poo poo loads of cheap 1970's anti-ship missiles at us till one hits. It is the equivalent of the insugency tactics we are having so much difficulty with in Iraq and Afghanistan. The question comes if you'd really be able to get enough people to do suicide missions day in day out. It is apparently a limiting factor in the current insurgencies, even with all the pressure and rewards, they still have a lot more bomb vests than they do people willing to walk them in. If you joined the Iranian Navy for the paycheck, maybe do a little fishing on the side, you probably aren't looking to go all Trench Run on the Death Star. Most especially the ninth or tenth trench run on the second or third death star. 
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Slo-Tek posted:The question comes if you'd really be able to get enough people to do suicide missions day in day out. It is apparently a limiting factor in the current insurgencies, even with all the pressure and rewards, they still have a lot more bomb vests than they do people willing to walk them in. Well they still have shore facilities which can reach across the Persian Gulf sending fire, and while the ration of ships destroyed on either side might be wildly uneven, they only have to cripple or destroy the carrier or similar large asset to be able to claim a significant victory, while we would have to kill hundreds of small boats to claim a similar amount of damage. They also have a conventional navy including submarines and warships, and you can certainly argue about thier effectiveness, its still that much more crap shooting for a single large ship and its escorts. You are right about how difficult it would be to keep their men motivated in the face of complete carnage day in and day out. I would think that it would be similar to Iraq 1.0 where the Army had huge numbers of individuals throwing down their guns and giving up. Strait up war with Iran is not something I can honestly make predictions about, but I imagine the naval component would be a small part of an enoumous region wide conflict with other nations also providing arms and assets. So its fun to talk about how our Navy can beat up their Navy, but its likely a pretty useless to look at it separate from everything else. Edit: A link on the matter and a picture of an Iranian sub with a fabulous paintjob. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/irans-doctrine-of-asymmetric-naval-warfare 
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Nyyen posted:And even worse, some yokel can just pack a bunch of boom onto a go-fast and take a run at us in the middle of the night. We might see him and we might not, but a USS Cole scenario is still possible underway. I don't know if it could be done but I'm thinking the best attack would be tiny autonomous subs - like the Iranian one but a few hundred of them and unmanned. I guess you could even put them on the seabed and just have them wait like a mine with torpedoes. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Anosmoman posted:I don't know if it could be done but I'm thinking the best attack would be tiny autonomous subs - like the Iranian one but a few hundred of them and unmanned. I guess you could even put them on the seabed and just have them wait like a mine with torpedoes. The US and a lot of other navies already have that tech, where a mine detects a target and shoots a torpedo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine#Torpedo_mine (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Chantilly Say posted:The purpose of the DF-21D is to give them breathing room, since from their perspective the seas have been a constraining factor rather than a zone in which to operate; looking out from their shores the Chinese see a series of barriers called the First Island Chain: That "series of barriers" is also known as "the place where we live" to members of the 3rd, 12th and 18th largest economies in the world. China can dream about hegemony all it wants, but it can't simply wish away Japan and Korea and Taiwan and the Philippines. (which will be a regional power whenever it gets its act together.) 
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Slo-Tek posted:The question comes if you'd really be able to get enough people to do suicide missions day in day out. It is apparently a limiting factor in the current insurgencies, even with all the pressure and rewards, they still have a lot more bomb vests than they do people willing to walk them in. That's okay. If Iran can't find enough suicide bombers they'll just rely on looking down the Straight of Hormuz with their poo poo load of ASCMs. They've also said that if anyone attacks them one of their first targets will be the Al Başrah Oil Terminal in the Northern Arabian Gulf. This would cause not only an ecological catastrophe possibly larger than the BP spill but an economic one of a great scale. I'm saying they're a great military power to be feared but they have a couple of things that basically keep Israel, the US and the West as a whole from attacking. And obviously many of their coastal defense ASCMs are quite old but that's actually an advantage in some cases vs. more modern combatants.  
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Arglebargle III posted:That "series of barriers" is also known as "the place where we live" to members of the 3rd, 12th and 18th largest economies in the world. China can dream about hegemony all it wants, but it can't simply wish away Japan and Korea and Taiwan and the Philippines. (which will be a regional power whenever it gets its act together.) That's pretty funny that you mentioned Taiwan as the whole reason the US and PRC face off in the Pacific is because of the Taiwan issue. But the graphic posted wasn't necessarily linked because of the DF-21s range in regards to land targets (although it's pretty much the same) it was linked to show the threshold that the PRC could theoretically keep US carriers at which would make their air assets useless. So long as the PRC doesn't attack the nations you listed they wouldn't wage war in a unification scenario so they're kind of irrelevant to the equation. While we're on the subject of China and the Philippines have a picture of the Spratly Islands, one of the most hotly contested regions in the world. It used to be an issue just for the sake of claiming them but for some time they've been known to have a poo poo load of oil. 
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Pitch posted:
Well to be fair we couldn't exactly write a comic about how we're there because your grandfather was a murdering psychopath who gave us our first 9/11 moment so they could dominate the Pacific, and since then we've stayed in your backyard this long partly as a check to Chinese and Soviet/Russian ambition in the area but also because of lingering cultural worry that as soon as we turn our back Mitsubishi will start cranking out Zeros again...  The men of Unit 731.
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You are literally the only person I have ever heard talk about fear of Japan attacking America again.
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ShortStack posted:You are literally the only person I have ever heard talk about fear of Japan attacking America again. 
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Man I forgot all about Tom Clancy. I used to love his books in high school but I was an intolerable little poo poo back then. Sorry for jumping on your poo poo GD.
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ShortStack posted:Man I forgot all about Tom Clancy. I used to love his books in high school but I was an intolerable little poo poo back then. Sorry for jumping on your poo poo GD. We had a decent-length discussion of Clancy's post-Cold War decent into madness in the Freep thread recently, and Debt of Honor was one of the kickoff points. It really is where he starts going permanently nuts. I still like his stuff up to and including Sum of All Fears but most everything since is garbage, both his own work and that under his brand. 
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Wasn't there one book where a lone US submarine sank the entire Chinese navy?
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Lord Tywin posted:Wasn't there one book where a lone US submarine sank the entire Chinese navy? You're thinking of this book: 
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Lord Tywin posted:Wasn't there one book where a lone US submarine sank the entire Chinese navy? Wasn't there one thread where you need to post a picture? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxS98q6YLnA NZ Labour Party leader
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I'm more worried about terrorists from East Meg One. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_p7zuR-nC4
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