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My favorite subtle detail was the horrified expression on Nale's face in the corner while Durkon killed Z.tylertfb posted:If Rich doesn't make a "Durkon is REALLY afraid of oak trees now" joke soon, he's blowing it. Seconded. It'll probably be another palm tree like in Sandsedge unless they get the hell out of Dodge soon.
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Johnny Aztec posted:...Because it's Thor. You think a lighting bolt throwing, drink a swimming pool of ale a day, creating a dozen demi-god children a day God is Lawful? Also, Thor has a D&D stat block, and he's listed as Chaotic Good, which is what I imagine most people are going off of, really.
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TunaSpleen posted:Seconded. It'll probably be another palm tree like in Sandsedge unless they get the hell out of Dodge soon. You wanna talk about dropping the ball in dialogue, Durkula said the world is at "stake" and nobody called him on it. He's very new to being a vampire.
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Sefer posted:This rule was already being ignored since Thor, a CG diety, was already 2 steps away from LG Durkon. Either the setting ignores the rule entirely, it's a more flexible rule there, or Thor is an exception to it. Unless becoming a vampire made him chaotic for some reason, Durkon's alignment is now diametrically opposed to Thor's. He may bend the rules to have Lawful followers, but they won't bend that far.
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TunaSpleen posted:My favorite subtle detail was the horrified expression on Nale's face in the corner while Durkon killed Z. Which seems a bit weird because Nale already had a lot of experience with how vampires are and putting himself at the mercy of such a risky diplomacy check seems extremely careless. Then again we don't know what exactly happened when Nale was nine years old, perhaps he thought for some reason that Malack was the only evil vampire and all others can be easily reasoned with?
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peak debt posted:perhaps he thought for some reason that Malack was the only evil vampire and all others can be easily reasoned with? Malack could be reasoned with. We know this because we saw Tarquin reason with him. He was counting on Durkon being an "evil vampire," taking delight in turning on his former companions, and losing interest in saving the world. His mistake was in assuming that all vampires are as evil as Malack, not the other way around.
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Aug 6, 2013 21:15
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I am hoping to see Z's corpse thrown into the rift.
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Angela Christine posted:Even if the party is cool with it, having Durkon around could hurt them socially. Belkar was evil, but most people won't expect a halfling to be evil. Everyone expects a Vampire (and his companions) to be evil. It is going to be basically impossible to work with the paladins with Durkon around. Or nearly anyone else who can easily detect that Durkon is undead. Nah, he'll just have to carry a lead sheet around with him and he'll be fine. Maybe he can hold it above his head to shelter from the sun too.
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Suaimhneas posted:Maybe he can hold it above his head to shelter from the sun too. I can see a future point where he has to hang out with MitD under the umbrella for a while.
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Aug 7, 2013 00:35
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Would obscuring mist be enough to protect a vampire from sunlight? Since even darkvision can only go give feet through it.
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DoctorTristan posted:Pfft. They're both "Vita, Mortis, Careo" and I won't hear otherwise Soooooo now I just want to go play a bunch of BG2.
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Aug 7, 2013 02:41
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Theler posted:I am hoping to see Z's corpse thrown into the rift. It's amazing how little respect the deceased get in the Stickiverse since resurrection is such a viable option. The only real reverence to any corpses have been to Shojo and maybe the Cliffport cop. I mean, Roy was hauled around in a wagon with a pine tree air freshener, the teleporting Azurite wizard's skeleton was used as a puppet by Shojo, Evil V abandoned his/her family again with a melted house covered in the splatters of dead black dragon, Kubota was blown to the wind, multiple kobolds have been used as hats and dipping sauces... not even going into dealing with the undead, Team Evil, or the sheer amount of corpses that must have been left all over Azure City when the hobgoblins moved in.
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Carrasco posted:Unless becoming a vampire made him chaotic for some reason, Durkon's alignment is now diametrically opposed to Thor's. He may bend the rules to have Lawful followers, but they won't bend that far. Thor is Chaotic. He has no time for your alignment rules.
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Guys, Durkon has a stick that can cast Protection from Daylight with him, presumably once per day. There will not be sun-related hijinks.
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Lurdiak posted:Guys, Durkon has a stick that can cast Protection from Daylight with him, presumably once per day. There will not be sun-related hijinks. Staffs have limited charges; we've been over this.
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Replacing or recreating the staff probably wouldn't be a big deal. Other than Haley's dad and his ludicrous ransom, has money ever been an issue for the party?
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IMJack posted:Replacing or recreating the staff probably wouldn't be a big deal. Other than Haley's dad and his ludicrous ransom, has money ever been an issue for the party? It's more that it contains a homebrew spell; recreating it could be problematic.
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MikeJF posted:It's more that it contains a homebrew spell; recreating it could be problematic. I'm guessing it could be an issue if Vampire Durkon ends up a priest of Hel instead of Nergal, but honestly it will work either way depending on whether Rich thinks it's worth the drama.
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Aug 7, 2013 04:32
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Most of the next adventure is probably in caves anyway.
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Aug 7, 2013 04:38
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Trapezium Dave posted:How does the D&D rulebook handle inventing new cleric spells? Clerics that research spells can cast them, but if it's not on the standard(quite broad) cleric spell list, they can't automagically get it from their deity? It's a gray area.
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greatn posted:Most of the next adventure is probably in caves anyway. I'm pretty sure the next gate is in a cave.
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Durkon's gonna borrow the Monster in the Darkness's paradol. Problem: Solved.
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fool_of_sound posted:Staffs have limited charges; we've been over this. To keep the plot moving requires a solution to the issue of Durkon being in the sun. He has the staff. He has a book that lets him translate spells from Malack's religion to his. We've already done 11 strips on Durkon researching a spell. We've already done jokes about the spell research rules with V. Any combination of this will let it get waved away and let things proceed, just like getting the diamonds to rez Roy was. At most it will either be handled with him dealing with his god after this, or it will be a minor subplot like getting Roy's skeleton back. But it isn't going to be a dealbreaker.
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Fried Chicken posted:Story overrides your sperglord rules; we've been over this. They are going to the land of the dwarves, who live below ground and hate trees because of it. Then they might just be going into a dungeon. You're sperging about hating rules talk is also overturnable for the sake of drama and intrigue. Rich wanted Durkon to be a vampire for almost a decade now, he's going to want one of the defining traits (hates sun) to at least get a little show. Not to mention that, while story overrides the rules those rules very much are still present, something like charges limits will at least in theory exist.
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Fried Chicken posted:Story overrides your sperglord rules; we've been over this. Re-read the post I was responding to, then your own. We agree that the issue is will probably be brought up at some point. I don't know any more than you do how big of a deal it will be. There's nothing spergy about that, so gently caress you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kajeesus posted:You were the most competent and likable member of the linear guild. That's not a high bar to vault really. At least now we have seen the linear guild getting it's arse handed to it and probably its complete dissolution is coming up.
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TunaSpleen posted:It's amazing how little respect the deceased get in the Stickiverse since resurrection is such a viable option. The only real reverence to any corpses have been to Shojo and maybe the Cliffport cop. I mean, Roy was hauled around in a wagon with a pine tree air freshener, the teleporting Azurite wizard's skeleton was used as a puppet by Shojo, Evil V abandoned his/her family again with a melted house covered in the splatters of dead black dragon, Kubota was blown to the wind, multiple kobolds have been used as hats and dipping sauces... not even going into dealing with the undead, Team Evil, or the sheer amount of corpses that must have been left all over Azure City when the hobgoblins moved in. They have full knowledge that the corpse is not that person. The person has a soul and is elsewhere. It's not a matter of disrespecting the dead more of that a dead body is meaningless (except of course if someone is gonna resurrect that person and that person may hunt you down and kill you). Turning it on the real world I would assume a lot more people would be willing to be organ donors or donate their body to science if they knew no matter what they would be going to the afterlife.
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I think the most interesting thing is that while Belkar has taken a slow swerve away from evil, Durkon has now taken a rather sharp plunge into it. Perhaps he'll be the one to object to him rejoining the party perhaps even putting him at odds with Roy.
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I wouldn't be surprised, Durkon almost killed Belkar. Not of his own volition but if I was the guy who almost got sucked dry I don't know if I'd appreciate the difference, especially since the blood issue is still on the table and not likely to go away anytime soon. (On the plus side, at least Durkon can fix the ability drain now.)
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Hire often does a vampire need blood, and does it have to be humanoid? An unblemished goat is like 80 cp.
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Technically, vampires don't actually need blood according to srd  That said, according to later books, vampires need both blood and life force (negative levels); life force every day and blood every three. They slowly go insane otherwise, but they don't actually deanimate for years. I figure Rich is just using those as guidelines though.
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If you rules-lawyer it, I don't think anything in D&D (or at least, anything in the SRD - haven't looked at a real book in forever) actually says vampires must drink blood to survive. edit: yup. But seriously, I'd imagine any DM would decide on their own about the blood thing.
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Is there anything in the SRD that says humans must consume food to survive?
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Colonel Cool posted:Is there anything in the SRD that says humans must consume food to survive? Actually, yes. Humans need 1 pound of food/1 gallon of fluid per day according to the DMG starvation rules.
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I think the Druid spell goodberry would technically provide sustenance and even healing to a vampire.
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Really? Wouldn't that be a positive energy effect, and therefore anathema to vampires?
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fool_of_sound posted:Actually, yes. Humans need 1 pound of food/1 gallon of fluid per day according to the DMG starvation rules. Huh! Those are even surprisingly sensible rules. I mean a high level character can probably go for like 3-5x as long as a real person could without food but it is high fantasy after all. It's nothing like the stupidness of the falling rules. If there aren't any rules for vampires drinking blood you could probably just sub those starvation rules in for them.
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I guess in praxis this is handled the same way as ammunition. Who really has the nerve to keep track of every character's nourishment.
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Cthulhuchan posted:Really? Wouldn't that be a positive energy effect, and therefore anathema to vampires? Nah, it has no positive energy associated with it at all. The one hp it heals is from having a delicious fulfilling meal all packed into one berry.
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e X posted:I guess in praxis this is handled the same way as ammunition. Who really has the nerve to keep track of every character's nourishment. I vaguely recall some game where your guns had infinite ammo and you never needed to reload...until the DM decided the moment would be dramatic enough for you to run out. This often occurred to both you and your enemy at the same time, of course. That's a good way of dealing with ammunition.
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