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Paccione
Aug 17, 2003

The most famous shot in the history of television
So I have the original HTC desire. I want to now upgrade it, and all the phones are crazy expensive to buy out right at the stores. How is the Nexus 4? I haven't been following phone technology at all, but I'm having to delete more and more apps because they are getting too big for my phone now. The nexus is the cheapest one I found, but is a one one right around the corner?

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Italy's Chicken
Feb 25, 2001

cs is for cheaters
How does this crap keep spreading?

quote:

Verizon entry could allow U.S. NSA to spy on Canadians, union warns
from http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=8770633

If you're doing business in Canada, you must follow Canadian laws. We don't have the patriot act and instead have the charter which specifically says we have a right to privacy.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
I just already assumed Harper is fully cooperating or allowing the US to spy on Canadians just as hard as their own citizens or who ever else they want to spy on.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

I imagine that anyone who actually thinks Verizon will allow the NSA to spy on us probably already thinks the NSA is spying on us.



(Also the NSA is probably already spying on us.)

Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Aug 10, 2013

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer
I love how there's no way to comment on that article about how bullshit that story is.

Rooted Vegetable
Jun 1, 2002

Italy's Chicken posted:

How does this crap keep spreading?
from http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=8770633 ... union warns

I would go on such an rant about unions there. One way or another, they are concerned that their income from Union Dues would fall as a result of this (ways include people leaving for the new Verison acquired start-up, loss of revenue leading to layoffs in big 3, something that I'm not thinking of that the Big 3 have told the unions to get them on side).

I went off and did a little Googling and found this: http://www.canadianprogressiveworld.com/2013/07/29/harper-government-should-stop-wooing-verizon-communications-union/
Seems Verison is anti-union... I quote: "Canadians dont want their government to give special benefits to a company thats blocked all the workers running its wireless network from union protection"

I also found this, which basically states that phone advertising etc is all about fear: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/08/01/kelly-mcparland-block-verizon-or-moncton-gets-it-big-wireless-warns/
... Rather lampoons this whole thing, basically calling the recent ads and lobbying anti-American and that the big 3 suddenly found their hearts to save us all when this all happened...

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib
Great infographic on how the spectrum is currently allocated:



If Verizon were to win every auction they were eligible for, they'd have the area marked in pink.

They would be stupid to bid on two blocks in all license areas however (it would be terribly expensive in SK/MB/QC for the 2nd block) so in reality they wouldn't even get the whole pink share on the chart.

In short, the three already have more spectrum than any other carriers worldwide and are just sitting on their rear end with it.

If past auctions are any indication:
Rogers will get on one block in every territory.
Bell and TELUS will get one block in every territory except SK/MB/QC where they'll split the licenses between each other.
Verizon will get one block in every territory.
Regionals like SaskTel and MTS will get one block in their respective territories.

less than three fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Aug 10, 2013

Science
Jun 28, 2006
. . .

Paccione posted:

So I have the original HTC desire. I want to now upgrade it, and all the phones are crazy expensive to buy out right at the stores. How is the Nexus 4? I haven't been following phone technology at all, but I'm having to delete more and more apps because they are getting too big for my phone now. The nexus is the cheapest one I found, but is a one one right around the corner?

I have an N4 and I quite like it, but the phone is close to a year old now and the price hasn't been adjusted to reflect that at the Google Play Store (no idea if you're buying this on a plan). There is no word on if a v2 of the N4 is coming out soon since Google has made things really confusing with the Moto releases. A lot of people expected the Moto X to be the new "Nexus" phone, but it has very mid-tier specs, so it's not the Google flagship phone for this generation.

If you absolutely have to get a phone right now, the N4 is an awesome phone and still well priced. It's just not a killer deal like it was when it first released. If you can spare the money and have a hard-on for telephony, then I would save for an HTC One instead.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




This might be one of the first things that Harper has said that I like:

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/08/09/ottawa-to-proceed-with-wireless-plan-that-could-let-in-u-s-giants-harper

quote:

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said his government does not intend to alter the rules for an upcoming auction of wireless airwaves, despite complaints from Canadas big three cellphone carriers that the rules offer foreign entrants unfair advantages.

Mr. Harper added that he understood that Canadian firms must advocate for their shareholders, and staff, but the governments first priority is the wider Canadian public and Canadian consumers who want more competition and lower cellphone rates.

Skeeter Green
Aug 15, 2001

24 strings
I wish nationalizing Wind and Mobilicity were a realistic option in today's political climate. I'd love to see the two rolled into a Crown Corporation with the goal of offering cheap last gen wireless service to as many Canadians as possible. Leave the LTE and the cutting edge devices to the incumbents, but offer unlimited HSPA and midrange phones, like Wind does now. It would be a drat sight better than loving Verizon.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

Yeah, well, Harper also said he was going to make sure the CRTC didn't allow ISPs to introduce tiered internet plans and welp we know what happened there.

Let's wait until the auction is actually done, though this is a good step.

Science
Jun 28, 2006
. . .

Skeeter Green posted:

I wish nationalizing Wind and Mobilicity were a realistic option in today's political climate. I'd love to see the two rolled into a Crown Corporation with the goal of offering cheap last gen wireless service to as many Canadians as possible. Leave the LTE and the cutting edge devices to the incumbents, but offer unlimited HSPA and midrange phones, like Wind does now. It would be a drat sight better than loving Verizon.

In my socialist utopia, Canada Post also operates as an ISP and wireless provider. They would control all the wired and wireless infrastructure that is currently owned by Robellus. Canada Post offers its own plans/headsets/router, but also leases out usage to any interested private-sector provider.

Of course this will never happen, but it would have been pretty awesome if someone had had the foresight to make Canada Post's mission about communication instead of just mail and parcel delivery.

Skeeter Green
Aug 15, 2001

24 strings

Science posted:

In my socialist utopia, Canada Post also operates as an ISP and wireless provider. They would control all the wired and wireless infrastructure that is currently owned by Robellus. Canada Post offers its own plans/headsets/router, but also leases out usage to any interested private-sector provider.

Of course this will never happen, but it would have been pretty awesome if someone had had the foresight to make Canada Post's mission about communication instead of just mail and parcel delivery.

Why is it such a crazy idea though? I mean it's obvious why the Conservatives and Liberals will never nationalize telecommunications ($, free market dogma) but why is it that when the Canadians get hosed by telecom providers the most reasonable option in the public consciousness is to beg the giant red, white and blue dick of Verizon to come ram us up the rear end instead? In my opinion, telecommunications are one of the most reasonable industries to nationalize due to the importance of having a cell phone and Internet access in today's world.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Paccione posted:

So I have the original HTC desire. I want to now upgrade it, and all the phones are crazy expensive to buy out right at the stores. How is the Nexus 4? I haven't been following phone technology at all, but I'm having to delete more and more apps because they are getting too big for my phone now. The nexus is the cheapest one I found, but is a one one right around the corner?

There's always a new sexy phone coming out soon. Nexus phones are never a bad choice since they're sold unlocked, have decent hardware and the fastest software upgrades. It might not be the best time to buy one at retail ($300 for the 8gb) but I keep seeing threads on redflagdeals with $200 deals involving gift cards from virgin or some nonsense like that.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Skeeter Green posted:

I wish nationalizing Wind and Mobilicity were a realistic option in today's political climate. I'd love to see the two rolled into a Crown Corporation with the goal of offering cheap last gen wireless service to as many Canadians as possible. Leave the LTE and the cutting edge devices to the incumbents, but offer unlimited HSPA and midrange phones, like Wind does now. It would be a drat sight better than loving Verizon.

Well, what do you know, someone finally brought it up.

When the CEP came down so firmly on the incumbents' side in the Verizon propaganda war I was a little worried. Of course it's still not a realistic option with Harper in charge but putting the discussion on the proverbial front page can't hurt. Nationalise ALL the infrastructure, etc, etc.

Science
Jun 28, 2006
. . .

Dallan Invictus posted:

Well, what do you know, someone finally brought it up.

When the CEP came down so firmly on the incumbents' side in the Verizon propaganda war I was a little worried. Of course it's still not a realistic option with Harper in charge but putting the discussion on the proverbial front page can't hurt. Nationalise ALL the infrastructure, etc, etc.

It's unfortunate that a union proposed the idea since that pretty much guarantees the public will have their knee-jerk gently caress unions reaction. :(

Italy's Chicken
Feb 25, 2001

cs is for cheaters

Science posted:

It's unfortunate that a union proposed the idea since that pretty much guarantees the public will have their knee-jerk gently caress unions reaction. :(
Oh the irony. The public doesn't know, but I imagine the union does know, the current cell networks are built by American firms and a crown corp cell network would undoubtedly be Canadian union. How rear end-backwards are we not to nationalize it?

ante
Apr 9, 2005

SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS

Italy's Chicken posted:

the current cell networks are built by American firms

What?

Italy's Chicken
Feb 25, 2001

cs is for cheaters
Telus/Bell's upgrade to HSPA in 2009 was done by contractors from Huawei. The Rogers GSM network built in 2000 was done by AT&T, back when they were called "Rogers AT&T." I don't know who is building the current LTE networks, but I imagine its foreign contractors as its been in the past. They build the network, then Canadians take over the operations of it. Proudly Canadian.

ante
Apr 9, 2005

SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS
I started building the Bell HSPA network in northern BC in 2009 and am currently building the Telus LTE in southern BC. I work for Telus (west)'s prime contractor, which is pretty huge and all over North America, but it started and is still based in Surrey, BC.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
It'll be interesting to see what impact the new, terrible plans will have on Robelus' back to school sales. I imagine it will be a huge one, but then I often assume consumers are more rational than they are.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
So MTS is offering even better plans now(and including caller ID and voicemail), they are going to blow everyone out of the water in Manitoba if they don't start offering better plans. Not that the big 3 care about Manitoba or Saskatchewan.

http://www.mts.ca/mts/personal/wireless/wireless+plans/4g+smartphone+plans

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




I can't find it online now if it is, but there was a terrible editorial in the Vancouver Sun this morning - apparently the Canadian Taxpayer's Federation is in full support of the big 3 on the Verizon matter, how nice of them.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



DariusLikewise posted:

So MTS is offering even better plans now(and including caller ID and voicemail), they are going to blow everyone out of the water in Manitoba if they don't start offering better plans. Not that the big 3 care about Manitoba or Saskatchewan.

http://www.mts.ca/mts/personal/wireless/wireless+plans/4g+smartphone+plans

I have that with Rogers right now actually, seems to be the standard in Manitoba.

Nairbo
Jan 2, 2005
The plans are different in MB/SK, at least with Bell, because of SaskTel and MTS. They're a lot better, especially now that the prices have gone up.

OilSlick
Dec 29, 2005

Population: Buscuit

Lexicon posted:

It'll be interesting to see what impact the new, terrible plans will have on Robelus' back to school sales. I imagine it will be a huge one, but then I often assume consumers are more rational than they are.

Right now at Bell the voice and data lite $60 and $75 plans (in other words, low/no subsidy for high end smartphones) are $5 off for students.


:yotj:

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

OilSlick posted:

Right now at Bell the voice and data lite $60 and $75 plans (in other words, low/no subsidy for high end smartphones) are $5 off for students.


:yotj:

I'm going to posit (hope) that they're going to end up pushing wide swaths of customers into lower ARPU plans at Koodo, etc, and migrate people away from device subsidies. I don't think you'll get many takers, in the student market anyway, for $75 a month crap plans with low/no subsidy.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.
Has anyone ever experienced a number transfer where incoming/outgoing calls were properly moved to the new service, but text messaging remains on the old service?

I moved my Line2 number to Koodo a month ago, and while voice works, text messages don't. For the short period of time I still had Line2 after the transfer, text messages were still going to the Line2 app, which is why I'm suspecting the transfer somehow didn't entirely go through.

OilSlick
Dec 29, 2005

Population: Buscuit

Jan posted:

Has anyone ever experienced a number transfer where incoming/outgoing calls were properly moved to the new service, but text messaging remains on the old service?

I moved my Line2 number to Koodo a month ago, and while voice works, text messages don't. For the short period of time I still had Line2 after the transfer, text messages were still going to the Line2 app, which is why I'm suspecting the transfer somehow didn't entirely go through.

I've seen iPhones retain the old cell phone number after a number change and that would sometimes affect text messages, and it would be fixed by doing a hard reset of the device.

I've never heard of Line2, but I wouldn't touch a number port like that with a ten foot pole if someone asked me. I have no idea what kind of fuckery transferring a virtual number like that could cause.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

OilSlick posted:

I've never heard of Line2, but I wouldn't touch a number port like that with a ten foot pole if someone asked me. I have no idea what kind of fuckery transferring a virtual number like that could cause.

No kidding - they can barely get it right (correct + timely) within the PSTN.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

OilSlick posted:

I've never heard of Line2, but I wouldn't touch a number port like that with a ten foot pole if someone asked me. I have no idea what kind of fuckery transferring a virtual number like that could cause.

It's essentially considered a residential landline with regards to transfer, so a bit longer delays and validation. I actually quite liked their service, I'd have kept it if they were SIP and I could use them on my landline too.

As for my text message issue, it turns out all I had to do was contact Line2, unlike Koodo's outsourced monkeys, they didn't waste time beating around the bush denying the possibility that the transfer might not have fully been done. The guy said "Yeah, it's possible... But the only thing we can try on our end is deprovisioning the number." And sure enough, text messages started working half an hour later.

Caros
May 14, 2008

Godinster posted:

The plans are different in MB/SK, at least with Bell, because of SaskTel and MTS. They're a lot better, especially now that the prices have gone up.

Actually, bell and telus more or less bent over backwards to suck off Saskatchewan for the last two or three years. Mostly it was as an attempt to force sasktel out of business, but our top line smartphone plans were $25-40 off a similar nationwide plan.

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

Anyone know anything about importing phones from China to use with Bell?

I just saw this:
http://www.samsung.com/cn/consumer/mobile-phones/mobile-phones/smart-phone/SCH-W789XDACTC?subsubtype=android

and now I'm wondering about the feasibility of bringing that here and using it. I don't think they plan to release it in North America. There's also the "Golden" which seems comically large, but so do a lot of modern smartphones to me, so maybe I'm just getting old.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2423421,00.asp

edit: VVV - Awww, I saw the CDMA and just assumed there'd be a way. Well thanks for the answer.

odiv fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 24, 2013

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

odiv posted:

Anyone know anything about importing phones from China to use with Bell?

From the link:
CDMA 800/1,900MHz
GSM 900/1,800/1,900MHz

No, it won't work.

However the Golden one may. I don't have the network frequencies for that one.

less than three fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Aug 24, 2013

Nairbo
Jan 2, 2005

Caros posted:

Actually, bell and telus more or less bent over backwards to suck off Saskatchewan for the last two or three years. Mostly it was as an attempt to force sasktel out of business, but our top line smartphone plans were $25-40 off a similar nationwide plan.

I don't get how that's much different from what I said? I don't disagree regardless. With the bump in price plans on two year terms now, the plans are even stronger comparatively than they were before.

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008



This happens to me about every other month on Wind, and the support line literally has no idea what I'm talking about when I call to have it fixed.

Whooo

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


My family went to Salt Spring Island (10k+ population, huge tourism spot right in between Vancouver and Victoria) for the weekend and none of us could get cell phone service on Rogers or Bell. According to my aunt, whose house we stayed at, only Telus works sometimes. Is this normal outside big cities? It felt so third world.

Despite being an island it was not exactly an isolated area - Victoria's northern suburbs are directly south and there are a few towns very close to the west.

Sassafras
Dec 24, 2004

by Athanatos
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Sassafras fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Nov 26, 2013

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




leidend posted:

My family went to Salt Spring Island (10k+ population, huge tourism spot right in between Vancouver and Victoria) for the weekend and none of us could get cell phone service on Rogers or Bell. According to my aunt, whose house we stayed at, only Telus works sometimes. Is this normal outside big cities? It felt so third world.

Despite being an island it was not exactly an isolated area - Victoria's northern suburbs are directly south and there are a few towns very close to the west.

Yeah, Saltspring is one of the hot spots for the psycho idiots who think smart meter radiation will kill you and your plants, so I'm not too surprised to hear that.

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UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


That does make sense, thanks.

I do like the hippie vibe though. Haven't seen hitchhikers in ages.

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