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Fine-able Offense posted:Ha ha funny story about the faregates: because they don't have the capacity to actually handle the volume of people going through them in the mornings, the transit police have been told to set them to permanently open "at first" so as to handle the traffic. Yeah, this was my suspicion when I saw the number of fare gates that they were adding to some of the busy stations. The gates, being open right now, are gigantic nuisances at Commercial Station during rush hour. I was expecting them to be vandalized immediately or just left open anyways.
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ZShakespeare posted:I don't get the safety angle. If someone is going to break the law by threatening your safety etc. wouldn't they also be willing to break the law by bypassing fare gates? Or is it that people are afraid of other is wheelchairs and rascals? I think most public officials quite rightly assume that if you say it is a matter of public safety, you have just made an unassailable argument. Evidence of danger? Why would you ask such a question, you a monster or something?
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Your criticisms are valid and I agree it is clearly an attack on the underclass. But I think the outrage over bus transfers is a little overblown. You will be able to obtain and reload compass cards using cash at any TVM. You will still be able to buy fares with cash. You will still be able to use fares purchased on a bus to transfer to the train or ferry, provided you use the compass card to buy them. You will still get the faresaver discount if you buy ten at once. And I must disagree about the lineups. If anything this will make boarding buses a hell of a lot smoother as fewer people will be fumbling for their change and tickets. Some of the stations do not have enough gates, though, it's true. I'm betting they will just open them during rush periods. Also I have had a chequing account since I was like 4 years old and my family was quite poor at the time. A few years ago I switched credit unions as an unemployed adult with about $300 in savings and there were no problems.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man, I can't wait to see if/when OC transpo adopts then and how they manage to gently caress up worse that Vancouver. Because I can guarantee you one thing, it;s that OC transpo will gently caress it up worse! 
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bunnyofdoom posted:Look at Rob Ford's rants about the war on cars. I bet if we paved every road in this country with gold, and made them all 16 lanes wide, we'd still be hearing about the war on cars simply because public transit has the audacity to exist.
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Sassafras posted:Or they're open at first so people can start using the system and getting used to how to work it progressively and not all at once on an awful awful first week.
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My grandma was complaining about the latest fare evasion numbers a while back and was pleased to hear they are installing faregates. I told her the cost to install and maintain the faregates is higher than the total loss due to fare evasion. She looked uncomfortable and changed the subject. Probably voted for the Libs too, that old hag
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Sassafras posted:They also have large trains less frequently and therefore much larger rushes of exiting passengers, do they not? People already end up milling around escalator entrances without all this hue and cry, the faregates just move this a bit, at worst. Some of the busiest stations in Paris have over 100 fare gates.
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flakeloaf posted:Well it's awfully nice that we know how much money Pamela Wallin allegedly misappropriated so we'll be able to get it all ba From a page back, but should Wallin not have to pay for the audit as well? Like, could a representative of the taxpayers sue her? It's because of her crime(?) that it was needed in the first place.
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The bus transfers not valid thing is the same as in London and Hong Kong etc. It's an incentive to pick up a card. For those who don't use transit much, a free card is included with the purchase of a 3 zone fare at a TVM. TransLink probably could have handled the PR better, but it's how all other systems work. Keep in mind the gates aren't TransLink's wish, they just wanted the compass card for collecting data. The gates were forced on them by the Liberals, who as mentioned above wanted to make transit feel safer and end the free rides for the dirty poors. TransLink has been up front the whole time that the gates will cost more than the fare evasion losses, but it wasn't their decision to make. less than three fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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cowofwar posted:I still don't understand why transit isn't free and based on property taxes. Yeah, this is my thing too. When I was in university, there was a deal where you paid a mandatory $65 fee every semester, and got free transit out of it. That $65 was about the same as a monthly pass for everyone else. Was fantastic, because you didn't need to worry about it, you just hopped on a bus/train whenever you wanted. Loved it even after I got my car and started driving everywhere. Ideally everyone in the city would get free transit, and then we'd just have to find some way to levy fees on the guys from just outside town who weren't paying into the system. And if enforcing that was too expensive, gently caress it, just let them use it for free. Would be great for the city, and I'm sure the transit system would appreciate the stable and predictable funding.
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quote:I still don't understand why transit isn't free and based on property taxes. Cause that punishes the JOB CREATORS for being successful and they probably don't even use the transit anyways! Make it a reverse progressive tax on people. Make the poors pay, they use it the most. 
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Considering how much cities pay in road repairs every year, disincentivizing non essential car travel and investing the money saved instead into a robust transit system that produces a lot less wear on the road system would be a much better idea. But whatever, let's keep pretending that things like roads just happen and aren't a massive subsidy to car owners. E: This is what pisses me off the most about neoliberal people who quote "economics" as a reason not to do things. Like, yes, I concede the market mechanism actually does have some advantages sometimes! Here is one of them! People who absolutely need to use a car will have the option to, since we're not just banning them, but we can make transit much more attractive at less cost to everyone, isn't that exactly what markets are supposed to do, allocate resources efficiently? Why should transit being free be considered a distortion, when roads being totally socialized in cost isn't? Political Whores fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man, I can't wait to see if/when OC transpo adopts then and how they manage to gently caress up worse that Vancouver. Because I can guarantee you one thing, it;s that OC transpo will gently caress it up worse! No chance. We'll adopt half of it, decide it's too expensive, cancel it and run 50% overbudget in penalties and fines. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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OCTranspo would never go free everyday. They take a perverse amount of pride in jacking up fares whenever ridership goes down, then cutting drivers and routes and repeating the cycle, endlessly making themselves less and less desirable as a mode of transit.
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Cordyceps Headache posted:Considering how much cities pay in road repairs every year, disincentivizing non essential car travel and investing the money saved instead into a robust transit system that produces a lot less wear on the road system would be a much better idea. But whatever, let's keep pretending that things like roads just happen and aren't a massive subsidy to car owners. I wish a nonpartisan group would put out primetime commercials that showcase different modern conveniences that are administered or maintained by the government. People have a piss-poor understanding of everything the government actually does that isn't Rah Rah identity politics.
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Ofc. Sex Robot BPD posted:I wonder how many of the people who call in to conservative radio shows to bitch about the foreign ownership of the 407 here in Ontario unironically supported Rab Ferd in his pledges to privatize city services like garbage collection. The answer is all of them. It's because they've been told over and over that public sector = inefficient, private sector = efficient, so therefore privatizing everything will make it better. Besides, if they privatize the garbage collectors, then anyone can just start a garbage collecting business and just pick up the garbage and if you don't like the service, you can just move onto a different one, because the market will create solutions. The market always creates solutions to problems. Sometimes it creates those problems JUST TO MONETIZE THE SOLUTION and that's called PROGRESS.
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(Okay these are quotes from two months ago, but play along for a second!)Team THEOLOGY posted:Who from PMO is doing this. Please post the handle now. Canadian Surf Club posted:He's talking about Andrew MacDougall I believe. @PMO_MacDougall Team THEOLOGY posted:It's like the comms department are trying to make PMO's job hard on purpose just for the challenge. :Facepalm: NOT ANYMORE!  Andrew MacDougall steps down as Stephen Harper’s top spokesman quote:OTTAWA — Stephen Harper’s communications staff is facing a shakeup following the announced departure of his chief spokesman, who is leaving his post next month.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:(Okay these are quotes from two months ago, but play along for a second!) I've been gone for a bit too. It's really liberating. So many openings have appeared recently they are trying to court us all back and it isn't working.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Never watch the Canadian Border Security reality show. I watched two episodes and was utterly bewildered at their behaviour halfway through the first one, and when the second episode ended I was insensate with rage. The "good PR" show for those people portrays them as ignorant morons who can't do anything correctly, it's incredible anyone would release that show in the state it's in. Just a piece of Ottawa gossip. Everyone at the CBSA hates this show (they are forced to watch it at every meeting)and was basically forced on the agency by the government. During filming the boarder guards are not allowed to cut anyone the normal slack they would or they will be disciplined.
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sbaldrick posted:Just a piece of Ottawa gossip. What the gently caress. Why. That is unconscionable. The whole show is, but the fact that this is actually being pushed by the federal government is... more so.
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According to Warren Kinsella the crack video has been witnessed by a number of Toronto lawyers.Warren Kinsella posted:TORONTO NEEDS A MAYOR: A SHORT REVIEW ABOUT A VIDEO
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Lastman may have been a putz, but at least he was a responsible putz.
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lidnsya posted:From a page back, but should Wallin not have to pay for the audit as well? Like, could a representative of the taxpayers sue her? It's because of her crime(?) that it was needed in the first place. In a perfect world, I think it would be great and just if she had to. Akin to making a drunk driver pay restitutionary damages for plowing into a building or whatever.
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flakeloaf posted:Lastman may have been a putz, but at least he was a responsible putz. I would have traded
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JohnnyCanuck posted:I would have traded That's an insult to Lex Luthor. Luthor actually got poo poo done.
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Bourassa by-election chat. The PLQ MNA for the area, Emmanuel Dubourg, will be seeking the LPC nomination. Because he's resigning mid-term, he'll be collecting a 100,000$ severance from the Assemblée Nationale. People are understandably pissed, because he got elected for a full term less than a year ago. The leader of the PLQ has called on him to reevaluate his decision to collect the allowance. JT has said he doesn't want to comment because it's a provincial issue. The NDP has teased a star candidate to Alec Castonguay, the announcement could come as soon as next Tuesday. If it's the candidate I think it is, the other candidates might as well call gg. The byelection would be over before it even began.
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Helsing posted:According to Warren Kinsella the crack video has been witnessed by a number of Toronto lawyers. I propose a ban on Rob Ford crack video stories that do not include the video. Can we just see this drat thing already? It's not like it's going to matter. I bet his approval rating will actually go up.
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Leofish posted:I propose a ban on Rob Ford crack video stories that do not include the video. Can we just see this drat thing already? It's not like it's going to matter. I bet his approval rating will actually go up. I used to think the dumbest fucks lived in vancouver and bc had the dumbest population in canada. Thank you for dispelling that myth onterrible.
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This Macleans article on Ford's victory is worth reading in full since it gives some rare insider quotes on working with the Fords and gives you a sense of just how hard they are to manage (Kouvalis, who is shown here as being very proud of his ability to manage the Ford's, only lasted about 6 months in the administration before leaving in disgust): The most telling passage is this one however: quote:Though initially surprised by the DUI revelation, Ciano and Kouvalis were unperturbed. “I said, ‘Just watch,’ ” recalls Ciano, a former national vice-president of the Conservative Party of Canada. “We’re going to go up after this.” Sure enough, Ford’s team of campaign outsiders—young, new to Toronto, arguably from the fringes of Canada’s political mainstream—watched as Ford’s popularity rose in the days following his DUI confession. Still, they were awestruck by the extent of the bump. “We didn’t think we’d go up 10 points,” Ciano says. Every Ford gaffe on the campaign trail actually boosted his numbers, so much so that even his campaign team were sometimes surprised.
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Since we seem to love transit chat here, can anyone explain VIA Rail to me? How is it possible to justify charging over $100 each way (if you're smart enough to book in advance) to go from Ottawa to Toronto? Why are we using a century old technology that takes just as long to loving drive? Is there some amazing aspect of the train that I'm missing? Is a crown corp not supposed to provide some kind of, you know, public service? If you book it right it's often cheaper to loving fly along what is apparently the main corridor for VIA. Wifi and over priced whiskey, great. I have a cell phone and can (usually) go a few hours without booze. It's cheaper to bus, rideshare, rent a car, and sometimes even fly. What is the point of even operating VIA at this point? Side note: anyone take the Greyhound often? For reasons I can't comprehend they search your bags and give you a pat down when departing from Ottawa but not when departing from Toronto. Yeah, I know a crazy guy did a horrible crazy thing on a bus 5 years ago, but is this really necessary? Will I soon have to take my shoes off and pitch any bottles with more than 100ml of liquid? Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 15, 2013 |
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I read recently that VIARail is planning on going full-on airport security theatre within the next few years as a response to that terrorist cell the Mounties busted a while ago before they could do anything. Because, you know, "system working as intended" means we need to make riding the train more expensive and less convenient.
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JoelJoel posted:Side note: anyone take the Greyhound often? For reasons I can't comprehend they search your bags and give you a pat down when departing from Ottawa but not when departing from Toronto. Yeah, I know a crazy guy did a horrible crazy thing on a bus 5 years ago, but is this really necessary? Will I soon have to take my shoes off and pitch any bottles with more than 100ml of liquid? I take the Greyhound often. Like, I've been on a ton of the routes of south Sudbury, an out into parts of Quebec. Ottawa is the only place I've ever seen them do the bag checks. The only thing I can see is that it's something the owner of the building has forced Greyhound to do.
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I've been bagchecked and patted by Greyhound going from Vancouver to Whistler, but not from Whistler to Vancouver.
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Mulatto Butts posted:I've been bagchecked and patted by Greyhound going from Vancouver to Whistler, but not from Whistler to Vancouver. Gotta watch out for the latest splinter cell, Al Qaeda in Squamish.
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Same thing here, bag checked, patted down and given a sweep with a metal detector at the Edmonton depot but nothing at all at Fort Mac or the other stops along the route.
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They do it in the brand new Winnipeg terminal. It's painfully awkward, and the 'security area' is merely a few rows of chairs arranged in a tight, half-assed corral that can seat about 3/4 of a bus' capacity. No checks in smaller centres at all (Brandon, Virden). Greyhound is actually the worst way to travel which is a shame.
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