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Skwirl posted:Because more people care about Sigourney Weaver fighting Aliens then they do about the Alien universe. We've had three Alien-ish movies movies without her, and the response hasn't been near as close to the universal acclaim that Alien and Aliens get. That's kind of misleading as two of those movies have been AvP, a silly cash-in franchise based the comics and video games. And Prometheus (God help us all) is at least better than Alien 3 or Resurrection.
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More realistically it's "the studio would not put up the money without Weaver" because without your Oscar-nominated star in the franchise's iconic role you'll inevitably look like some second-rate spinoff, like when they made a sequel to Grease without Travolta or ONJ.
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Grease is such a goddamn horrible musical that it's really pick your poison at that point, and at least Grease 2 has the hilarious Reproduction Song.
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Skwirl posted:Because more people care about Sigourney Weaver fighting Aliens then they do about the Alien universe. We've had three Alien-ish movies movies without her, and the response hasn't been near as close to the universal acclaim that Alien and Aliens get. Once you get past the scary alien, the real terror comes from knowing you're stuck in this box with an unrelenting monster, and you're either going to escape or die. Few horror movies have captured that feeling as well -- there's always an outside world that can intrude at any moment, or some sense of people on the outside trying to help. The Alien franchise was very good at conveying the idea that absolutely nobody is coming to help you. Not that they'd come if they could, or that the cavalry will arrive if you can just get the call out, but that there is nobody at all who can save you.
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Schweinhund posted:Grease 2 is better than Grease Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm quite fond of Grease 2. I have the soundtrack, which I don't for the first one. (And yes, "Reproduction" is great.) But that is what made it impossible for people to give it a fair shot, I'm sure. Well that and the rock musical genre having sputtered out already.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm quite fond of Grease 2. I have the soundtrack, which I don't for the first one. (And yes, "Reproduction" is great.) I only know it as an early Michelle Pfeiffer role that they showed on VH-1 all the time in the early 2000's, but given the other movies they should all the time in early 2000's, I'd avoided it on principle.
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VH-1's entire strategy towards movies in that period was, "is it cheap?" and "can we take up 3-5 hours of airtime with this?" Queuing up another Jackson 5 miniseries marathon on the double.
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exquisite tea posted:VH-1's entire strategy towards movies in that period was, "is it cheap?" and "can we take up 3-5 hours of airtime with this?" Queuing up another Jackson 5 miniseries marathon on the double. I have a vague memory of an anthology horror film they had, I only saw one bit of it. to the identify thread.
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Skwirl posted:I have a vague memory of an anthology horror film they had, I only saw one bit of it. to the identify thread. This is easy: Strange Frequency.
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Ofc. Sex Robot BPD posted:Whatever happened to Xenomrph? I'd like to hear his take on Alien Resurrection. "Must be a woman thing." fuuuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuuuu josssssssssss wheeeeeeeeeedon
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Monkeyseesaw posted:"Must be a woman thing." The overall tone of this movie is just mind boggling. Joss Whedons writing with Jean-Pierre Jeunets direction in an Alien film was absolutely bizarre. I've always wanted an Alien Resurrection cover that had "From the director of Amelie" on the front just for the sheer hilarity that these two films share certain qualities.
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Was just watching the first Terminator movie and a thought occurred to me. Was there ever an idea given of what the terminators would do once they completed their mission of killing Sarah/John? It was stated that they couldn't self-terminate, so I guess they would either do nothing and stop moving, or maybe just start killing everything.
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Vakal posted:Was just watching the first Terminator movie and a thought occurred to me. I think it was extended universe, but I remember hearing that they would just isolate themselves, wait for the bombs to drop, then assist Skynet as it saw fit.
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Vakal posted:Was just watching the first Terminator movie and a thought occurred to me. Given corporate ethics being what they are it probably could have just found the leading technology corporation and explained the situation. They'd be thinking of the money while it downloaded "detailed files" for them to use and Skynet would have had things wrapped up by the late '80s. They probably would have had it acquiring coke too, but even T-800s should have been able to multitask.
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syscall girl posted:They probably would have had it acquiring coke too, but even T-800s should have been able to multitask. Now I kind of want to see Arnold try to order future drugs from a street dealer. "Hey, just what you see, pal."
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What happened to Francis Ford Coppola? That is, in the 70s he made four movies that would be in any top 100 list, and was the screenwriter for another (Patton) that might not be quite of that caliber but is generally very well regarded. I'd put his body of work in that decade up with any director's best ten year span, and he looked well on his way to be considered one of the top 2 or 3 directors of all time. Since then, he's had maybe 2-3 decent, entertaining but ultimately slight movies and a whole bunch of duds. I mean, if not for the '70s, he'd be considered a mediocre ham-n-egger along the lines of Paul W. S. Anderson or, I don't know, Jon Turteltaub -- decently competent, forgettable, and largely anonymous. Was it just luck in the 70s? I just don't get how he seemingly lost his talent for directing or recognizing a good story vs a bad one.
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regulargonzalez posted:What happened to Francis Ford Coppola? That is, in the 70s he made four movies that would be in any top 100 list, and was the screenwriter for another (Patton) that might not be quite of that caliber but is generally very well regarded. I'd put his body of work in that decade up with any director's best ten year span, and he looked well on his way to be considered one of the top 2 or 3 directors of all time. Since then, he's had maybe 2-3 decent, entertaining but ultimately slight movies and a whole bunch of duds. I mean, if not for the '70s, he'd be considered a mediocre ham-n-egger along the lines of Paul W. S. Anderson or, I don't know, Jon Turteltaub -- decently competent, forgettable, and largely anonymous. I think he went insane in the Philippines.
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regulargonzalez posted:What happened to Francis Ford Coppola? That is, in the 70s he made four movies that would be in any top 100 list, and was the screenwriter for another (Patton) that might not be quite of that caliber but is generally very well regarded. I'd put his body of work in that decade up with any director's best ten year span, and he looked well on his way to be considered one of the top 2 or 3 directors of all time. Since then, he's had maybe 2-3 decent, entertaining but ultimately slight movies and a whole bunch of duds. I mean, if not for the '70s, he'd be considered a mediocre ham-n-egger along the lines of Paul W. S. Anderson or, I don't know, Jon Turteltaub -- decently competent, forgettable, and largely anonymous. This happened.
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regulargonzalez posted:What happened to Francis Ford Coppola? That is, in the 70s he made four movies that would be in any top 100 list, and was the screenwriter for another (Patton) that might not be quite of that caliber but is generally very well regarded. I'd put his body of work in that decade up with any director's best ten year span, and he looked well on his way to be considered one of the top 2 or 3 directors of all time. Since then, he's had maybe 2-3 decent, entertaining but ultimately slight movies and a whole bunch of duds. I mean, if not for the '70s, he'd be considered a mediocre ham-n-egger along the lines of Paul W. S. Anderson or, I don't know, Jon Turteltaub -- decently competent, forgettable, and largely anonymous.
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Also his firstborn son died in a boating accident. That sort of made him rethink his priorities in life.
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regulargonzalez posted:Was it just luck in the 70s? I just don't get how he seemingly lost his talent for directing or recognizing a good story vs a bad one. My first exposure to his work was Jack. For the longest time, I refused to believe he did anything of value before that. Man, that movie is a pile of dogshit.
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At least Coppola makes nearly all DVD/Blu-Ray releases of his films into a film masterclass.
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I just saw City of Lost Children for the first time. At the beginning of the film, One is set up as a genuine old-school circus strongman, breaking out of genuine steel chains just by expanding his chest. Halfway through the film, he ends up standing on a plank over the ocean, wrapped completely in rope and unable to escape. Why doesn't he just snap the ropes? I feel like I missed something obvious.
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I honestly think Patton is very nearly as good as The Godfathers and The Conversation.
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penismightier posted:I honestly think Patton is very nearly as good as The Godfathers and The Conversation. It's also got one of the ballsiest openings in film. It's still easy to appreciate how iconic it is today, in the same sense that we appreciate those inky black Gordon Willis shadows in the opening of The Godfather (1972), but the lights going down and bam there's the flag and a dandied-up hardass talking about how the very idea of losing is hateful to Americans in 1970 is just loving amazing.
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I'd consider Turtletaub more competant than Paul WS Anderson. Retribution was so bad I thought it was directed by some lackey of his. He really didn't have the talent to pull off three films in two years.
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SubG posted:I wouldn't go quite that far, but I'll take Goldsmith's score over the others. Oh yeah, it's almost impossible to really step back and absorb how unlike anything else that scene was. Plus without Patton focusing most of Fox's attention, we never would've gotten MASH! I guess Walter Murch really created the opening of Apocalypse Now so it's out of contention, but between Godfather 1 and Patton, Coppola really knew how to open a film.
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penismightier posted:I honestly think Patton is very nearly as good as The Godfathers and The Conversation. Agreed except replace "very nearly" with "entirely."
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qntm posted:I just saw City of Lost Children for the first time. At the beginning of the film, One is set up as a genuine old-school circus strongman, breaking out of genuine steel chains just by expanding his chest. Halfway through the film, he ends up standing on a plank over the ocean, wrapped completely in rope and unable to escape. Why doesn't he just snap the ropes? I feel like I missed something obvious. He's completely wrapped in thick rope from his ankles to his shoulders. That's a lot harder to break than the one chain link he breaks at the start.
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One From The Heart is my favorite Coppola film, hands down. It's perfect.
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Interesting -- so a vanity project basically reduced him to gun-for-hire for a decade+. Easy to scoff at a vanity project gone wrong since it seems to happen a lot, but can't hardly blame the guy for thinking that a project he believed in and devoted his entire talent to would be a big hit, given his incredible run leading up to that.
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It wasn't just that it was a flop, it was a big enough flop to destroy his company.
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FishBulb posted:It wasn't just that it was a flop, it was a big enough flop to destroy his company. I can't help but picture him in his vineyards like Don Corleone in his garden.
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How was the opening shot to The Turin Horse filmed? It's an astonishing bit of camerawork. Moves too quickly at times to be standard steadicam, there are no dolly tracks anywhere in evidence as there should be in some shots if a dolly was used, and it's too steady for filming from a vehicle considering the terrain. And the distance covered seems too great to be a crane shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DnCS7uXueQ I suppose dolly tracks could have been digitally edited out so a steadicam operator on a dolly cart is my best guess for now.
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It could've been filmed from the back of a truck, and then the image stabilized in post later.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:It could've been filmed from the back of a truck, and then the image stabilized in post later. That's how the North by Northwest ripoff in The Beast of Yucca Flats was done, except for the stabilization part obviously.
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It doesn't look like it's moving fast. The horse never goes faster than a steady trot. The smoke makes it look like it's faster than it is.
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Schweinhund posted:It doesn't look like it's moving fast. The horse never goes faster than a steady trot. The smoke makes it look like it's faster than it is. But there are times the camera moves much faster than the horse, to catch up and pass it by (in order to get in front of it). In any event, I asked a professional camera operator acquaintance of mine about it, his guess, citing fresh tire tracks at 1:30, was truck + steadicam.
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