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Owlofcreamcheese posted:So is the argument changing from the idea that it only happens in cartoons to it only happens in texas? You don't understand what 'cartoonish' means.
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Dylan-D posted:You don't understand what 'cartoonish' means. I don't think you understand how real world institutional rape is.
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Aug 20, 2013 12:11
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We're probably going to be hearing a lot about how things that happen all the time in prison are unrealistic before this show is over.
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Aug 20, 2013 12:43
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I don't think you understand how real world institutional rape is. I don't think you understand that we all need to move onto another topic.
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Aug 20, 2013 14:08
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I haven't seen the last two episodes. But my one major complaint about this show? Everyone in that prison is painted as a loving victim of circumstance. None of them deserve to be there and there are no unsympathetic characters. They all fell down on hard luck, or they got in a bad situation, or if they even murdered someone it was okay because the person they murdered was a bad person. I'm waiting for one of the prisoners to be revealed as an unsympathetic child rapist or something.
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Aug 21, 2013 03:51
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the posted:I haven't seen the last two episodes. Yeah, keep watching. And committing credit card fraud is a lovely thing to do even if you think you're doing it to keep your son loving you. So is human trafficking, whether or not the one guy deserved to get murdered. Some of the people there don't deserve to do time. Some do. But none of them probably deserve to do time like this. And yeah, keep watching. You've got one more flashback to go.
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Aug 21, 2013 04:15
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the posted:I haven't seen the last two episodes. To be fair, most legitimately bad people (people who are doing pre-meditated bad poo poo and aren't forced into it in any way) aren't going to end up in minimum security federal prison. It may be hard to admit, but the vast majority of prisoners aren't bad, irredeemable people. It's as true in real life as it is on the show. Many people are forced into crime through addiction or poverty, or have some pretty valid reasons for what they did, even if it was unquestionably criminal. Really, Pennsatucky is the only really bad person we've seen, and frankly it's pretty loving implausible that she ended up in minimum security.
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Aug 21, 2013 04:23
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Gumby posted:Yeah, keep watching. And committing credit card fraud is a lovely thing to do even if you think you're doing it to keep your son loving you. Not even that. She was doing it to pay for her transition, I think. Buying the kid shoes was just part of it on the side. Did anyone else get the idea the kid turned her in?
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Aatrek posted:I don't think you understand that we all need to move onto another topic. Aw, should've ended that with "... inmates." hailthefish posted:Did anyone else get the idea the kid turned her in? Certainly looked that way to me too. I questioned the plausibility of a 12 (?) year-old doing something like that but TV  edit: 
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Aug 21, 2013 04:35
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I didn't think it was even a question given her son was holding the wallet we saw her use at the shoe store
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Unless I forgot or missed a part, I don't think Daya is too bad. From what I remember, she didn't actively do anything wrong. It was her mother that was involved in the drug poo poo and Daya was just trying to take on the mother role and just happened to be there. I'm curious about the mute woman. Did she become mute as a result of being sentenced or did she end up being sentenced because she was mute?
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hailthefish posted:Not even that. She was doing it to pay for her transition, I think. Buying the kid shoes was just part of it on the side. I was going with the sympathetic doesn't deserve to be there angle actually, and she was covering for the kid.
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Butt Soup Barnes posted:All the supporting characters are fantastic and I'm really pleased how well everybody was casted. They really make the show as great as it is, in my opinion. Coconut Indian posted:I'm curious about the mute woman. Did she become mute as a result of being sentenced or did she end up being sentenced because she was mute? Annie Golden who plays Norma Romano did a terrific job without uttering/singing a single audible word until the final episode of S1. Her performance almost felt like a masterclass in mimicking and body languge. I am hoping she, as well as the burned girl, are part of Season 2 and I'd like to know her story. Also, I have a dumb question: Flaca, one of the hispanic girls, what's happening with her eyes. Is it makeup or tattoo?
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bornbytheriver posted:Annie Golden who plays Norma Romano did a terrific job without uttering/singing a single audible word until the final episode of S1. Her performance almost felt like a masterclass in mimicking and body languge. I am hoping she, as well as the burned girl, are part of Season 2 and I'd like to know her story. The tear drops? Tattoos I imagine. I do love all the eye makeup the girls do especially the hispanic women.
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Alex deserves to be in prison. It's pretty clear that she's a really, really bad person, even if she has sympathetic elements - she talks with relish about her history of manipulating girls into becoming drug mules, just to list one clear-cut thing.
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Aug 21, 2013 14:05
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Was really interested in this show. Then I found out who created it now I'm afraid it'll turn into a train wreck like Weeds did.
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CubanMissile posted:Was really interested in this show. Then I found out who created it now I'm afraid it'll turn into a train wreck like Weeds did. Okay, don't watch it then.
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Having just finished this, I thought Piper's naivety and the like were completely intentional. Piper and especially Larry seem to represent the white upper-class, who think they understand people's problems and believe that just by doing the "right" thing (eg, confessing that you're behind the faith healing prank) then everything will work out in the end. In a way, it's actually very similar to the first season of Game of Thrones except Piper actually learns something at the very end instead of getting her head chopped off.
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the posted:But my one major complaint about this show? Everyone in that prison is painted as a loving victim of circumstance. None of them deserve to be there and there are no unsympathetic characters. They all fell down on hard luck, or they got in a bad situation, or if they even murdered someone it was okay because the person they murdered was a bad person. I'm waiting for one of the prisoners to be revealed as an unsympathetic child rapist or something. I know what you mean, but honestly that is kind of how people are: generally well-meaning, until context pushes them into something criminal. And they're only sympathetic to an outside observer: Yoga Jones seems like a kind lady who made a mistake...unless you're a parent whose child is dead because the insane alcoholic weed grower up the street shot their 8-year-old. To a lesser extent, this is true for most characters: Sophia's sympathetic, but the thousands she racked up in fraudulent credit were probably a real problem for whoever ended up with the check; and sure, it looks like Red was coerced into participating with the mob, but the communities they terrorized probably don't give a poo poo about that. Also, as someone else said, Alex is kind of a lovely person. I don't think she had any particular motivation to get into drugs outside of greed and laziness. And that one conversation with Nichols was damning...Alex was a literal predator who sought out and manipulated naive girls to be drug mules. That's pretty reprehensible. Of course, most of the truly monstrous characters would probably wind up in maximum security - which probably includes violent child molesters, murderers, armed robbers, etc.
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CubanMissile posted:Was really interested in this show. Then I found out who created it now I'm afraid it'll turn into a train wreck like Weeds did. So the fact that it MIGHT eventually go off the rails turns you off from watching the show, even though it's really good now?
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Xealot posted:Even in a prison, if someone corners you and attacks you with a deadly weapon, you're probably allowed to defend yourself. Our entire legal system is built on a "where there's smoke there's fire" mentality that in this case would mean that if Piper were a good and noble person, she wouldn't be in the position of getting attacked to begin with. It sounds illegal as all hell, but it happens every day. Go to your local courthouse and listen to the lawyers and judges. Everything television has told you about your rights is completely made up. I knew a guy who was in county, and if two people in one of the big rooms got in a fight, the entire room of 25+ people were punished and no questions were asked about who started what.
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Aatrek posted:So the fact that it MIGHT eventually go off the rails turns you off from watching the show, even though it's really good now? Entirely reasonable. I avoid most serial dramas because they have a tendency to get stupid once you've gotten hooked.
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Aatrek posted:So the fact that it MIGHT eventually go off the rails turns you off from watching the show, even though it's really good now? Well yes, considering just how poorly Weeds ended up becoming. I'll probably end up watching it, I'm just a little worried. I get terribly disappointed when a show I like crashes and burns. I'm still reeling from the last season of Community. CubanMissile fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Aug 22, 2013 14:21
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Pierat posted:Entirely reasonable. I avoid most serial dramas because they have a tendency to get stupid once you've gotten hooked. "Oh, yeah, I don't drive a car because I could get hit by a bus."
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Pierat posted:Entirely reasonable. I avoid most serial dramas because they have a tendency to get stupid once you've gotten hooked. It seems like you don't really enjoy TV much if you don't watch things because they might (probably) end up being stupid after a certain point.
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Aatrek posted:"Oh, yeah, I don't drive a car because I could get hit by a bus." Awful analogy. Many people drive vehicles out of necessity while nobody watches a show because they 'have to'. Furthermore you can drive a car once and that experience will hold true barring any damages down the line while it is very hard to tell if a show is 'good' a large distance into the future. Some people can watch a show, and when it gets bad stop and ignore the new plot developments. They can sit back and smile and enjoy what the show was and wholesale ignore what it is. Many people cannot do this so it is perfectly reasonable to want to stop before it gets really bad.
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Dylan-D posted:
Except in this case they never start.
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computer parts posted:Except in this case they never start. Good point. I guess I missed that entirely. That is a dumb thing to do.
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People in this thread posted:I never masturbate because the porn isn't as compelling once I finish.
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Wow that's just... Bravo. 
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Declan MacManus posted:It seems like you don't really enjoy TV much if you don't watch things because they might (probably) end up being stupid after a certain point. I enjoy the serial drama format too much. That's the problem. I have to keep watching them once they get stupid because I'm hooked. Not only can it be a huge waste of time, there's a slew of negative emotions when something you like flops. So unless I know it's worth it, I just tend to avoid dramas. And I don't know what I'm missing, so it doesn't really affect me at all. Aatrek posted:"Oh, yeah, I don't drive a car because I could get hit by a bus." What's wrong with being risk averse? You're a strange person.
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Oh, so it's really just a self-control issue. You force yourself to keep watching things you don't like because you can't make yourself turn away.
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Sort of off topic, but I'm watching the most recent season of Burn Notice on Netflix and there are some prison episodes where the same actress who plays Pennsatucky plays another, less crazy, inmate. Made me want to re-watch Orange Is The New Black after I finish it.
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Aug 23, 2013 03:05
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If I stopped watching a show because it got bad I'd never have made it past "The Last Outpost."
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wilderthanmild posted:Sort of off topic, but I'm watching the most recent season of Burn Notice on Netflix and there are some prison episodes where the same actress who plays Pennsatucky plays another, less crazy, inmate. Made me want to re-watch Orange Is The New Black after I finish it. after you see her in Sons of Anarchy & Hawaii 5-0 you wonder how they made her less hot
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Dead Snoopy posted:after you see her in Sons of Anarchy & Hawaii 5-0 you wonder how they made her less hot Probably the teeth. Jesus they do a good job.
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I just finished reading the book. It is HILARIOUS that the end scene of the tv show seems to be based on a time she was trying to run and a woman was being religious and annoying her while she ran so she lightly hit the woman's hand and then apologized profusely.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I just finished reading the book. It is HILARIOUS that the end scene of the tv show seems to be based on a time she was trying to run and a woman was being religious and annoying her while she ran so she lightly hit the woman's hand and then apologized profusely. As insufferably whitebread as Show Piper is, I can't imagine how completely unbearable Actual True Story Piper is.
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hailthefish posted:As insufferably whitebread as Show Piper is, I can't imagine how completely unbearable Actual True Story Piper is. I wouldn't have expected the book to have tv show style drama and plot but it was extremely striking how drat little actually happened in the book. The whole book is just about how nice everyone is, then telling some absurdly mundane story where she reminds us that she is pretty and went to smith ten trillion times to try to make us understand how wacky it is she is doing some totally mundane thing. At the same time it was interesting to read because the show is hilarious in the way it takes all the plot lines from the book, tiny minor events, like the beating really was just a woman on the track making too much noise and piper slapping her hand to make her stop, she then goes and apologizes then gets other people to come apologize and that is it. The screwdriver was "I found a screwdriver and I put it in a dumpster, the end", the weirdest things though are random lines the show uses for no apparent reason, in paris someone told piper it was too cold for margarettas, so in the show that line comes up, for larry in a bar? Also: in real life piper has a giant neck tattoo
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