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I finished the three routes of Hate Plus and (mostly Mute spoilers) Hyun-ae is sure the intended AI to take back isn't she; what with getting exclusive logs in only her route in both games. And I knew going in that Mute wasn't gonna have a good time, but drat if I'm not saddened by my favorite character killing herself. I know she's a misogynist jerk, but I've always thought she was a more interesting character than Hyun-ae. You gotta love that poor AI trying to protect a society that didn't even trust her with enough power to stop a teenager from turning off the air. p.s. I did the cake thing. but achievements are broke on OS X, so I don't even know if I entered that code right.
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vkeios posted:I finished the three routes of Hate Plus and (mostly Mute spoilers) Hyun-ae is sure the intended AI to take back isn't she; what with getting exclusive logs in only her route in both games. And I knew going in that Mute wasn't gonna have a good time, but drat if I'm not saddened by my favorite character killing herself. I know she's a misogynist jerk, but I've always thought she was a more interesting character than Hyun-ae. You gotta love that poor AI trying to protect a society that didn't even trust her with enough power to stop a teenager from turning off the air. Did Mute's death really even add anything other than some forced drama? Because I felt it didn't really add anything to the story other than an excuse to have a more political correct mute replace her, like day 3 could have dealt with her grief and stuff but instead nope killed off, here's a new one, have fun
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Aug 25, 2013 23:21
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You can make her survive btw.
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Aug 25, 2013 23:34
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KaneTW posted:You can make her survive btw. You didn't actually do it, did you? I've played around a bit and I suspect that Love is just trolling with that achievement.
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Aug 26, 2013 00:12
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No, but I have an idea how. Not sure if it'll work though.
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Aug 26, 2013 00:15
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vkeios posted:You didn't actually do it, did you? I've played around a bit and I suspect that Love is just trolling with that achievement. people have hacked the game and found that theres not a single thing that makes the achievement seem possible, no ending cg, nothing to trigger it in the script, etc
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Aug 26, 2013 00:17
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Yeah, I jsut checked. You can't not extract The Death of *Mute so it's not possible. Love 
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Aug 26, 2013 00:23
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Are there any dating sims where you can be the abuser in an abusive relationship? The entire time I was playing Katawa Shoujo, I wanted to use the girls' illnesses to hurt their self-esteem, or tell the ones with sensory problems (blindness and deafness) that things were happening when they weren't, stuff like that. But the protagonist was too much of an insecure manchild to do anything cool. So now I've got a hankering to in a different game. You do sort of play as an alpha male in Sengoku Rance, but that's more of a bad strategy game that happens to have some hentai than a dating sim. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 26, 2013 21:02
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Uhhhh, not really. Usually the darker themed ones like that would be more on the nukige side, and I doubt many people here have played them, much less would admit to doing so in thread. Cross Channel is the only one I could think of that involves a sometimes outright evil protagonist that would get any discussion here.
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Aug 26, 2013 21:08
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A Major Fucker posted:Are there any dating sims where you can be the abuser in an abusive relationship? The entire time I was playing Katawa Shoujo, I wanted to use the girls' illnesses to hurt their self-esteem, or tell the ones with sensory problems (blindness and deafness) that things were happening when they weren't, stuff like that. But the protagonist was too much of an insecure manchild to do anything cool. So now I've got a hankering to in a different game. That's a really creepy thing to ask for but a KEY visual novel called One ~To the Radiant Season~ has what you're looking for in one of the routes.
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Aug 26, 2013 21:08
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A Major Fucker posted:Are there any dating sims where you can be the abuser in an abusive relationship? The entire time I was playing Katawa Shoujo, I wanted to use the girls' illnesses to hurt their self-esteem, or tell the ones with sensory problems (blindness and deafness) that things were happening when they weren't, stuff like that. But the protagonist was too much of an insecure manchild to do anything cool. So now I've got a hankering to in a different game. Please leave this thread and never return.
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Aug 26, 2013 21:10
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You guys are really gullible.
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Aug 26, 2013 21:11
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A Major Fucker posted:Are there any dating sims where you can be the abuser in an abusive relationship? The entire time I was playing Katawa Shoujo, I wanted to use the girls' illnesses to hurt their self-esteem, or tell the ones with sensory problems (blindness and deafness) that things were happening when they weren't, stuff like that. But the protagonist was too much of an insecure manchild to do anything cool. So now I've got a hankering to in a different game. What the gently caress, dude?
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Aug 26, 2013 21:11
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A Major Fucker posted:Are there any dating sims where you can be the abuser in an abusive relationship? Hadaka Shitsuji should meet your requirements nicely
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Son Ryo posted:That's a really creepy thing to ask for but a KEY visual novel called One ~To the Radiant Season~ has what you're looking for in one of the routes. Are you talking about the Mizuka route? I played that one first and decided I never wanted to touch that game again. Incidentally a path centered on being a neglectful and abusive jerk makes picking the right choices unintuitive if you're not using a guide or spoiling yourself, since usually to get a particular character's ending you take the choices that are the opposite of treating them like poo poo.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Are you talking about the Mizuka route? I played that one first and decided I never wanted to touch that game again. Incidentally a path centered on being a neglectful and abusive jerk makes picking the right choices unintuitive if you're not using a guide or spoiling yourself, since usually to get a particular character's ending you take the choices that are the opposite of treating them like poo poo. Funny, I had exactly the same experience. What an awful game.
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Aug 27, 2013 03:24
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DerLeo posted:What the gently caress, dude? First guy I've seen on SA spending nearly $100 to unban himself so many times.
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Aug 27, 2013 05:48
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On a different note, more Umineko chit chatter. - Well that that awkward marriage proposal wasn't the thing I expected to get a CG of first, but I'll take it. - Poor Natsuhi, despised by pretty much all of her family, but hey at least the family head likes her, kinda. - Some weird occult symbol- why are you guys losing your mind over someone's art project- oh my shitfuck  goddamn.- Christ, the updated character profiles are creepy. - I'm sorry George  - At least the music is loving awesome when they find the dead body pileup. - Oh poo poo something else? Oh no it's just blood. Shouldn't it be like, trailing off somewhere? - Maria is loving creepy, why does nobody point out how deadpan is when she's told about her mother's dea- Thank you Battler. Jeez. - So the head of the family is gone off probably to meet with Beatrice and wow this guy has a bathtub and a bed inside his study? Guess that makes him the oldest basement dweller. - Wait wait wait, didn't that epitaph thing on Beatrice's portrait have something about offing six people for something? Hmmm...
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Aug 27, 2013 07:21
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planetarial posted:On a different note, more Umineko chit chatter. Please never stop posting these 
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Personally, I would love to see MuvLuv LP, or at least an attempt at that. I don't think it'd be doomed from the beginning as there've been a lot of success with VN LPs recently and even stuff like Hyperdimension Neptunia got people's attention (mostly on the negative side, but with friendly attitude) so going through ML Extra might be doable even on SA. Of course it will require a good effort from LP'er to present it serviceable and hype it (along with people who already read it) properly with MLA content. Maybe I'm too desensitized, but after looking up at ML suits again,d I don't see what's wrong about them. It doesn't seem like they'd require any censoring. Some of the Hyperdimension Neptunia's CGs were more "dangerous" in that regard. MrCinos fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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Umineko is an interesting one. It's the kind of novel that's designed to be essentially unspoilable in more ways then one: the lack of clear answers and some heavy implications that the author would mix genuine hints with pure bullshit in his interviews. It's pretty cool. My favorite is EP7, because it's basically Ryukishi ranting about the evolution and the current state of the genre. I think that Chandler's The Simple Art Of Murder works pretty well to explain both Willard H. Wright's character and the nature of the episode. MrCinos posted:Personally, I would love to see MuvLuv LP, or at least an attempt at that. I don't think it'd be doomed from the beginning as there've been a lot of success with VN LPs recently and even stuff like Hyperdimension Neptunia got people's attention (mostly on the negative side, but with friendly attitude) so going through ML Extra might be doable even on SA. Of course it will require a good effort from LP'er to present it serviceable and hype it (along with people who already read it) properly with MLA content. The only way Muv Luv Alternative LP could work is if it's hosted here in ADTRW and even then I hardly see a point or an appeal. Maybe, it would work as some kind of "simulplay" with people playing along and posting their theories and reactions. rvm fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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Aug 27, 2013 12:06
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MrCinos posted:Maybe I'm too desensitized, but after looking up at ML suits again,d I don't see what's wrong about them. It doesn't seem like they'd require any censoring. Some of the Hyperdimension Neptunia's CGs were more "dangerous" in that regard. Unlimited is the problematic one because it has actual exposed nipples, and unlike sex scenes, the suits are so prevalent that it's hard to censor out unless someone hacks the game and mods in the All-Ages version versions instead or something like that.
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Davzz posted:Unlimited is the problematic one because it has actual exposed nipples, and unlike sex scenes, the suits are so prevalent that it's hard to censor out unless someone hacks the game and mods in the All-Ages version versions instead or something like that. Or replace them with the coverups they wear in cold weather. But considering that Muv Luv's engine is notorious for being almost unhacakable, I don't think such a thing is even feasible.
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Better idea is to have it a screenshot LP, replace problematic scenes with all-age version and just pay no heed to that it is really different and try to keep it otherwise contained to headshots only. As for anime harem and stuff, just keep that stuff contained as "alternate routes" update. And do all routes at once in one playthrough.
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Speaking of umineko this guy has like twelve some hours of theorycrafting where he lays out an alternate theory and he takes loving forever to get to the point and I disagreed with the first world shaking argument he made and bailed fifteen minutes in. ALso I scrolled down to the summary laid out in the most recent comment and felt justified not listening to this. Something about it sets my teeth on edge. Ending spoilers, obviously: link to youtube I really don't want to listen to any more of this I just want like a bullet points version I can scoff at. I'm a coward.
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Krinkle posted:Speaking of umineko this guy has like twelve some hours of theorycrafting where he lays out an alternate theory and he takes loving forever to get to the point and I disagreed with the first world shaking argument he made and bailed fifteen minutes in. ALso I scrolled down to the summary laid out in the most recent comment and felt justified not listening to this. Something about it sets my teeth on edge. Ending spoilers, obviously: link to youtube No kidding. This sounds interesting, but there's just no way I can get through more then a few minutes of this. I wish he did an abridged version. Oh and he's apparently a militant atheist wielding Logic and Reason... yeah, no.
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If you're curious the only argument I saw him make was when he stated that [mega spoilers for Umineko ahoy] Shannon and Kannon literally cannot be the same person because here in red truth a person was defined as a body and not a personality, then he shows battler being asked nitpicky questions from furido "can I assume three people entered this room meaning three bodies?" and he said "yeah sure three bodies, whatever, nobody was faking or anything. calm down" so this not-at-all-on-the-spectrum robot logic combined with other red truths means blah blah blah who cares. I want someone else to put in the leg work and tell me what his arguments are but if the first comment I read Rosa did it, with george's help, without ever telling shannon she was doing it on her behalf, then haha nope. I'm fine with my interpretation, thanks.
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Rosa / George make a lot of sense actually. I'll probably follow along Umineko LP with this angle in mind. Anyway, on the subject of Umineko (well, sort of), I've been reading (and rereading) a whole lot of mystery fiction lately and found an awesome anti-fantasy whodunnit story, "Hag's Nook" by John D. Carr. Ryukishi borrowed quite a lot from Carr actually: for example, he lifted the concept of red truth from one of his stories (can't remember the exact one) and fourth wall breaking interludes from "A Hollow Man".
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I'm fine with people proposing alternate theories for Umineko, but I'm pretty sure that guy just has this deep, burning hatred for Shkanontrice, and that's not very interesting. Also, 12 hour videos. Gross.rvm posted:Rosa / George make a lot of sense actually. I'll probably follow along Umineko LP with this angle in mind. I've heard that before from my big mystery novel nerd acquaintance (Sherringford on here, I believe). He also said that the 'mystery vs occult' motif comes up a lot too. I wish I could find anything of his in bookstores.
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Oh don't get me started on that guy. Seriously he's pretty much the king of  and a master of missing the point, both intentionally and unintentionally.rvm posted:Rosa / George make a lot of sense actually. I'll probably follow along Umineko LP with this angle in mind. No. No it does not. Dr Pepper fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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Myriad Truths posted:I'm fine with people proposing alternate theories for Umineko, but I'm pretty sure that guy just has this deep, burning hatred for Shkanontrice, and that's not very interesting. Also, 12 hour videos. Gross. Not sure about the occult stuff, but he did specialize in "impossible crimes" sub-genre.
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So I'm looking for recommendations on a VN to read. Stuff I've read: DS/3DS: 999, VLR iOS: Planetarian PC: Ever17, Remember11, all of Christine Love's stuff I liked all of the above, but I guess if I had to be specific I'd like to read something along the crazy mindfuck lines of VLR/E17/R11. I can do any of the platforms I listed, but whatever it has to be available in English (I don't care if it's an original or fan translation or whatever, I just can't read Japanese), and I guess PC would be preferred.
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I think one obvious recommendation that would fit your criteria would be either or both of Higurashi and Umineko. Certainly lots of twists, with great music (barring the first Higurashi game) and well developed casts. If you haven't already seen the anime for it Steins;Gate would also be a great choice. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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astr0man posted:So I'm looking for recommendations on a VN to read. It looks like you haven't read Hatoful. You should do that. It's got mindfuck and pigeons.
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Umineko stuff, I apologize for the length. - Yeah I agree with you Eva, there's no loving way a single person could have done all that mess. - Higurashi references yessss, wait wouldn't this be fourth walling since they take place in the same universe? Yes I'm overanalyzing a simple throwback. - What in the everloving gently caress Maria argh what the crap is this loving face  . I really didn't need this CG either. That isn't incredible Jessica that is the face of insanity.Well at least she's stopped saying her annoying verbal tic. - Unmatched wavelength? oookay... - Don't look over your shoulder man just don't. Oh whew, it's not a dumb jumpscare. - Hahaha Battler's delivery of Jesus was pretty loving funny. - Wow Natushi is really getting the lovely end of the stick here. Oh well could be worse, she could be dead, you know? Also Eva, maybe it isn't the smartest idea to accuse someone holding a loaded gun of committing murder. - Oh man, it would be sweet if the old coot has like.. a secret room in his study by way of the classic bookcase covering it up. Cliche as hell but I love it. Wouldn't put it past the crazy old basement dweller either. In short, this is why buying your own private island is a bad idea. And the whole cast is hosed, hard. Question, why does the grandkids get jackshit for inheritance? Especially considering 3/4s of them are adults? Is that just his kids being assholes and the grandkids not wanting to get involved in that mess? Also, you guys really missed out on not playing with a voice patch. Argue about the art all you want, but the voice patch really adds a lot. Completely unrelated note, but apparently Air finally has a completed patch out that came out a few weeks ago? It's not really my thing, but its there if you want it.
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Umineko and Higurashi are in the same universe... sort of... you'll see.
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astr0man posted:So I'm looking for recommendations on a VN to read. I haven't read VLR/E17/R11 so I don't know exactly what kind of mindfucking they contain, but possibilities! G-Senjou no Maou: This is an amazing VN crime thriller that focuses on a super genius villain committing crimes that the main cast gets drawn into. Sort of a Holmes/Moriarty feeling to the relationship between the villain and one of the main characters. It also has an amazing and insane mindfuck of a climax. Read this if you'd like watching a villain play 4 dimensional chess while most everybody else is struggling to play tic-tac-toe. Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo: This is set in an alternate reality where criminals receive tailored punishments for their crimes in the form of "obligations." The people who oversee these punishments are naturally quite powerful in this society, and the main character is training to become one of them. A lot of the VN looks into how these obligations affect the characters and why this might not be an ideal system of punishment, and we get a view into just how hosed up things are as the story goes on. There are a couple neat twists in the story, and it's pretty interesting to read about such a fundamentally different society. Saya no Uta: This is the mindfuckiest of stories. It's also very gruesome and has a lot of sexual content, although given the context it all occurs in the sex scenes come off as deeply disturbing. The story is about a man who suffered severe brain trauma from an accident and now sees everything in the world as rotting pulsating hunks of flesh. It's reaaalllly hosed up. He ends up meeting a girl who actually looks human to him, although she seems to never show herself to other people, so what does she actually look like...? This is pretty much the must unsettling thing I've ever read, but if you can stomach it it's a great story. Of those three I think G-Senjou no Maou is the one I liked best, but they're all quite good.
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planetarial posted:Umineko stuff, I apologize for the length. That face! I was saying earlier about how Maria's faces are totally intentionally creepy but sometimes unintentionally ridiculous, having that one in mind.
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Bholder posted:Umineko and Higurashi are in the same universe... sort of... you'll see. It's recommended to play Higurashi before Umineko I'm pretty sure
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Playing either one first works, though Umineko is a step up in pacing and production values if you can believe it. There are also some references or developments in Umineko that are clearly meant to impact Higurashi players.planetarial posted:- What in the everloving gently caress Maria argh what the crap is this loving face . I really didn't need this CG either. That isn't incredible Jessica that is the face of insanity.
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