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Advent Horizon posted:If the weapons pod basically just straps onto an existing hardpoint, why don't they put 2 of them on each wing? The answer to everything is probably weight. I think I'll die laughing if the F-35 loses out to the F-18 advanced and F-15SE or whatever though.
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hobbesmaster posted:The answer to everything is probably weight. I think I'll die laughing if the F-35 loses out to the F-18 advanced and F-15SE or whatever though. I would love that. I've got some Boeing stock.
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Advent Horizon posted:Or, for that matter, why not just make a cheap 'stealth box' out of foam and absorbent coatings that falls off a sidewinder as it launches?
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RandomPauI posted:Are there airplane equivalents to the Volkswagon Beetle or the Honda Civic? Something like half the civilian airplanes in the country are Cessna 172s.
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This is horrible. Not sure how I missed it. 747 literally falls out of the sky due to a cargo shift: http://youtu.be/Hpv3h6bazXo I'm assuming the video is from a military vehicle. The driver was entirely silent except for an exasperated "ah, gently caress." after approaching the wreckage.
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It's several months old and was posted in here, GiP, and GBS.
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RandomPauI posted:Are there airplane equivalents to the Volkswagon Beetle or the Honda Civic? Piper Tomahawk, Cessna 150 and 172.
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Slo-Tek posted:For the last month or so Boeing has been flying the Advanced Super Hornet out of St. Louis and Pax River. I'm going to have to get some more pictures of that, just to see how completely they've altered the design. I've never been big into Boeing military aviation, but the F/A-18 as always interested me, from an aerodynamics perspective (most of my favorite aircraft were built by companies Boeing bought out, though :P). The engine intakes look different, as does the 'transition' from wing to fuselage. That weapons pod looks like something out of some cyber-punk/near future sci-fi anime or Dues-Ex.
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Slo-Tek posted:What do y'all reckon about the Super Duper Hornet? This going to peck away at the edges on international F-35 orders? The USN likely to pick any up?
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RandomPauI posted:Are there airplane equivalents to the Volkswagon Beetle or the Honda Civic? The Piper Cub is the VW Beetle of the skies; just like its automotive namesake, ask any pilot of a certain age and they'll have a story about "this one time, in a Cub..." except there will (likely) be a whole lot less marijuana use in the comparable Cub story. The Cessna 172 is more like the Toyota Corolla of the skies; solid and cheap to run but small and largely devoid of speed or character. As for other aircraft, the Beech King Air is pretty much the Ford F150 of the skies in that it can go anywhere (and is everywhere) and can do just about anything you ask of it...plus it handles like a truck too. The Beech Bonanza would be the Mercedes S-Class of piston singles (though its doctor-killing reputation would be more in line with the Porsche 930 Turbo), while your averae Piper single would be the Ford Focus of the skies (though the Tomahawk is more the Ford Festiva). Aerobatic aircraft are like your track day cars; Lotus Elises, Caterhams and the like. Business jets are the luxury cars of the aviation world; the Cessna Citation is like the BMW 3-Series in that it is cheap(ish), very capable and available in many different performance levels. The Citation Mustang is like the 316d (lol), while at the other end of the spectrum the Citation X is more like the M3 of business jets. Falcons and Gulfstreams are the Bentleys and Rolls-Royce of that class as well. As for airliners, I tend to group them more by manufacturers than by models. Boeings are the Fords of the skies (the big, lumbering American giant known the world over for good but otherwise bland products) while Airbus is the Toyota of the sky (the upstart foreigner who nearly unseated the American giant with innovative products). McDonnell-Douglas would be the Chrysler of the aircraft builders; a company that was once a giant of the industry, only to have rotted from the inside out for decades, then met an ignomious end. Lockheed, in terms of airliners only, would be Rolls-Royce; they don't build many, but the airliners they build are/were unquestionably the best available and are all icons in their own right.
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Jealous Cow posted:This is horrible. Not sure how I missed it. Did you see the unreleased video of what really happened? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpojLYBNyc Made by a goon, too.
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Thanks, now my nightmares will have Chrysler built airplanes in them. I guess more specifically Chrysler constant speed props...
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MrChips posted:The Piper Cub is the VW Beetle of the skies; just like its automotive namesake, ask any pilot of a certain age and they'll have a story about "this one time, in a Cub..." except there will (likely) be a whole lot less marijuana use in the comparable Cub story. So..... which model is a Fiero? Wait, don't answer that.
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The top of the wing root/fuselage joint looking different is probably down to the conformal fuel tanks that Boeing added. Export models of the F-16 have a similar setup, and they're pretty noticeable when they're fitted. PatrickBateman posted:So..... which model is a Fiero? Wait, don't answer that. I'd argue for the Piper Tomahawk being the Fiero of the air. It was intended to be a more challenging trainer than the Cessna 152, mainly by using a design that was easier to spin and required deliberate control inputs to recover. Unfortunately, Piper cut some corners in between the design being certified and production starting, so the aircraft had an alarming ability to enter into unrecoverable spins in certain situations. The problem was eventually resolved, but the reputation of the Tomahawk never really recovered (the Cessna 152 outsold it a bit more than 2:1), although the surviving aircraft do have a bit of a following. azflyboy fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Aug 30, 2013 |
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Jealous Cow posted:This is horrible. Not sure how I missed it. speaking of the Bagram crash... Im kinda curious to know what an armored vehicle looks like after its been ploughed into the ground like that. Generally aircraft turn into very small pieces because of how lightweight they're built, so Whats 20 odd tonnes of steel vehicle going to do?
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PatrickBateman posted:So..... which model is a Fiero? Wait, don't answer that. I would say the Fiero of the skies would be the Grumman American singles, like the AA-5 Tiger. A neat looking airplane designed ostensibly to be a sporty aircraft, but by the time it made production it was repurposed to be an everyday runabout, only it kept a lot of the weird features from its initial purpose.
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Advent Horizon posted:If the weapons pod basically just straps onto an existing hardpoint, why don't they put 2 of them on each wing? They probably will, assuming the weight isn't an issue (the centerline is stronger than outboard on the wing, obviously). quote:Or, for that matter, why not just make a cheap 'stealth box' out of foam and absorbent coatings that falls off a sidewinder as it launches? Because that wouldn't be cheap at all, and the materials are closely-guarded secrets. Making it out of radar-transparent material wouldn't help, because then you're still gonna see the weapons inside.
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I always like the EA18G/Growler Ace Combat looking load out. Godholio posted:Because that wouldn't be cheap at all, and the materials are closely-guarded secrets. Making it out of radar-transparent material wouldn't help, because then you're still gonna see the weapons inside. Also you really don't want to go dropping radar absorbent/reflective materials all over the place. Plinkey fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Aug 30, 2013 |
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YF19pilot posted:
The intakes look the same as far as I can tell from a side angle. They look a bit more forward than they really are because the camera is slightly behind. The chine is different because of the conformal tanks above.
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MrChips posted:As for airliners, I tend to group them more by manufacturers than by models. Boeings are the Fords of the skies (the big, lumbering American giant known the world over for good but otherwise bland products) while Airbus is the Toyota of the sky (the upstart foreigner who nearly unseated the American giant with innovative products). Boeings are the Toyota's of the world in that they a built like brick poo poo-houses and will do whatever you want them to. If you ask more than you ought, they'll just look at you, say "...whatever..." and get the job done regardless. Airbus are the Hyundai's as they're plastic utility planes that will last exactly until they aren't meant to, then they break irreparably. Unless you put so much as a toe even slightly over the line, then they break instantly. And they have the build quality, performance and character of a Hyundai. Embraer are the Daewoo's (or maybe one of the chinese cars) as they are poo poo to own, utter poo poo to work with and poo poo to fly. They break all the god-damned time and are horrifically unreliable, but hey, they're cheap. Captain Postal fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Aug 30, 2013 |
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Captain Postal posted:Boeings are the Toyota's of the world in that they a built like brick poo poo-houses and will do whatever you want them to. If you ask more than you ought, they'll just look at you, say "...gently caress it" and get the job done regardless. Nah, I think he was spot on with Boeing/Ford. And if you ask more than you ought, they'll look at you, say "gently caress it" and go AOG for six days. Airbus is more VAG/PSA group. Embraer are more like Hyundai, and Bombardier, I dunno, Fiat? This analogy is getting stretched to its breaking point.
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slidebite posted:Boeing is certainly positioning itself to take up orders from governments bailing on the F35, as they should. I certainly hope Canada is one of them, although I lust for the Silent Eagle. It would be a good way for the government to claw back some reputability after the F35 debacle. They've got the infrastructure to run and maintain F18s, and the pilots are pretty poo poo hot with them.
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Linedance posted:Nah, I think he was spot on with Boeing/Ford. And if you ask more than you ought, they'll look at you, say "gently caress it" and go AOG for six days. 737's are the hilux of the commercial world. They just keep on going.
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Kill-9 posted:It is. It still amazes me that something that big can even get off the ground. I love seeing them parked next to MD-80s at DFW. It's like the 80s are toys. Switch your credit card to one that earns Avios. The Flyertalk forums have pretty good advice on how to rapidly accumulate miles, then you get to look forward to flying instead of dreading it.
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Mobius1B7R posted:Absolutely incredible air to air from a Lear of many different types of planes. Love when the F-15s go burner and pull away. I utterly love this clip - I think I watched it about 15 times today.
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MrChips posted:The Piper Cub is the VW Beetle of the skies; just like its automotive namesake, ask any pilot of a certain age and they'll have a story about "this one time, in a Cub..." except there will (likely) be a whole lot less marijuana use in the comparable Cub story. What's that make the Concorde? A Ferrari?
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rscott posted:What's that make the Concorde? A Ferrari? Concorde is the McLaren F1- instantly recognized, but no one really wants to replicate it again either.
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StandardVC10 posted:Concorde is the McLaren F1- instantly recognized, but no one really wants to replicate it again either. Then what was the Tu-144? 
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Phy posted:Then what was the Tu-144?  I don't see the Navy buying these new Hornets, but maybe. The AF and Marines certainly won't.
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Captain Postal posted:Boeings are the Toyota's of the world in that they a built like brick poo poo-houses and will do whatever you want them to. If you ask more than you ought, they'll just look at you, say "...whatever..." and get the job done regardless. On the other hand, in an example he gave me, if you have to replace a door on an Airbus, you apparently order the replacement door, throw the old one out and mount the new one, job done. On a Boeing, nothing will fit perfectly, so they'll have to make it work. According to him, using a hammer (among other things). I was slightly concerned. Phy posted:Then what was the Tu-144?
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There is a lot of speed tape utilized on the USAF E-3's. The first time I had a crew chief ask if I was cool with them taping over a hole, I was like, "are you loving with me? If not, yea that's fine."
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hobbesmaster posted:The answer to everything is probably weight. I think I'll die laughing if the F-35 loses out to the F-18 advanced and F-15SE or whatever though. This is still a possibility with South Korea's FX-III competition (specifically with the F-15SE). Fake edit: That actually just happened last week..."F-35 and Eurofighter eliminated from FX-III competition." They priced themselves out of the competition, also didn't hurt that the ROKAF already has a fleet of F-15Ks that aren't too far removed from the -SE. Both LockMart and EADS are basically saying "nuh-uh, we're not out, the competition wasn't fair, we're in talks with the ROK government right now and we look forward to presenting how awesome [our jet] is, etc," so we'll see if the eliminations and de facto F-15SE selection actually stick, but like I said the F-15SE makes a lot of sense, especially since Boeing has a leg up on the others as far as tech transfer is concerned given their rather broad relationship with KAI and the fact that they already signed an agreement with KAI three years ago to jointly develop the conformal bay on the -SE. As far as the Stealth Hornet, even if NAVAIR wants some (which is a maybe at best) there is no way in hell the Navy buys any with how political the F-35 program is. Every Stealth Hornet bought is one less F-35 bought, and that increases the unit price just that little bit more for everyone. International customers are already bailing, there's no way in hell the Pentagon is going to let a service bail on their commitment, regardless of what the service wants to do. holocaust bloopers posted:There is a lot of speed tape utilized on the USAF E-3's. poo poo, we don't even ask, we just do it as a normal practice. Of course ours have a considerably..."less demanding" flight environment than pretty much anything turbofan powered.
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Shavnir posted:So does that make Cirrus a Lexus? Yeah, basically. Pretty innocuous. The Bonanza is the EVO or SRT-4. It's everyone's first "fast" plane, and tons of them end up scattered around airport perimeters as idiots stall going base to final.
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Should I take a ride in a DC-3 this weekend?
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