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I dunno where you're all getting that Aranea is suddenly evil or something. All we've seen is a person manipulating a clown into getting a ring, so to what ends are still pretty unknown.
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Baron Von Pigeon posted:I dunno where you're all getting that Aranea is suddenly evil or something. All we've seen is a person manipulating a clown into getting a ring, so to what ends are still pretty unknown. It's guilt by association, in as much as the clown is a complete toolbag and has been largely working for Caliborn explicitly and English implicitly.
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Sep 3, 2013 07:35
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It's because Serkets. 
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Sep 3, 2013 07:37
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I'm not sure how well guild by association works when you are explicitly mind controlling someone.
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Sep 3, 2013 07:37
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Even though Meenah said she liked them both, after they first met, she and Vriska were thick as thieves. Maybe Aranea became a third wheel. You saw what they thought of her during that hug breaking up leprechaun sex chat. It would be nice if she didn't go full Demara, though. Edit: it's because of that parable with the Serket and the frog that ends with them both dying to "it's my natuuuuuuuure"  oh poo poo I hope not
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Sep 3, 2013 07:38
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glowing-fish posted:That actually is the big question on my mind. Almost everything we (and the characters) know about Caliborn, Lord English, Cherubs, Calliope, Yaldabaoth, and the source and extent of Caliborn/Lord English's powers comes from the infodump that Aranea gave us back in March. What if this was all consummate misdirection? I knew it! Right when she started going on about all that crap I knew it. Also there's this little sequence (check Aranea's expression later on). Bobulus posted:That was just a sprite mistake. Hussie already fixed it. I thought it was more an individual's will-power rather than blood level. She could only get Sollux half the time (fitting his bi-polar moodswings), and if she was trying to kill Aradia why not just mind control her directly? Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 07:40
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Stormgale posted:I'm not sure how well guild by association works when you are explicitly mind controlling someone. Yeah, but then the question becomes how much mind controlling has she done? Has she been controlling Gamzee through the entire session? Was he hurling torsos at her behest?
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Sep 3, 2013 07:40
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Cabbit posted:Yeah, but then the question becomes how much mind controlling has she done? Has she been controlling Gamzee through the entire session? Was he hurling torsos at her behest? I can't remember, in other instances of Serket mind control was the Symbol always visible? (even if the event wasn't known to be Mind control induced at that point)
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Sep 3, 2013 07:42
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Stormgale posted:I can't remember, in other instances of Serket mind control was the Symbol always visible? (even if the event wasn't known to be Mind control induced at that point) Well, we never saw a mind-control symbol on Jade the dozens of times she fell asleep suddenly, despite the reveal that Vriska was doing that. I'd say we have no idea what things Gamzee was doing on his own, and what he was mind-controlled into doing.
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Sep 3, 2013 07:46
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Stormgale posted:I can't remember, in other instances of Serket mind control was the Symbol always visible? (even if the event wasn't known to be Mind control induced at that point) Jade's narcolepsy was caused by Vriska but we didn't (or never? I'm not sure) saw the symbol on her. GCat is also known to be controlled by the Condesce, but we haven't seen a symbol every time it's appeared so we don't know if it's always been under her control or if its acted autonomously at some points. edit: Actually Aranea's apparent involvement with Gamzee now casts some new light on Terezi and Gamzee's relationship, especially since that relationship, Terezi healing her eyes and her spiral into depression are all pretty linked. Maybe? Am I reaching? Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 07:48
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Stormgale posted:I'm not sure how well guild by association works when you are explicitly mind controlling someone. One possible angle is that Aranea wants to look after the ring for a bit before giving it to someone else, but that doesn't really hold up: the most obvious answer for "someone else" (assuming she's been telling the truth) would be Calliope - and resurrecting Calliope was John and Roxy's plan anyway, so Aranea didn't have to do a thing. I wonder where she'll "respawn" in? e: Wyld Karde posted:WV: ATTEMPT TO EAT ENGLISH ==> Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 07:49
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They didn't want to listen to her stories, but now she'll MAKE them listen to her stories!
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Sep 3, 2013 08:00
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Paul.Power posted:I wonder where she'll "respawn" in? I'd figure probably right there on the spot, except now she can just bust outta the bubbles and make her way to wherever she needs to go. The living can go where they please.
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Sep 3, 2013 08:04
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what if lord english is caliborn's self-insert? a huge muscly guy with an awesome gun who can shoot lasers from his mouth, and is totally a lord of time
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Sep 3, 2013 08:10
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Granted, having Aranea back might help with the Grimbark Jade/Evil Jane situation by using her Serket powers... but that entirely depends on what her ultimate plan is. Remember, the last thing Calliope wants is a Light Player finding her.
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Sep 3, 2013 08:10
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Bobulus posted:I think the implication was that the higher of blood you were, the more mental resistance you had. Hence why Vriska mostly mindcontrolled the lowbloods like Tavros, Karkat, and Sollux, and why Feferi could resist the Vast Glub longer than anyone else.
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Sep 3, 2013 08:11
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Oh. Well. THAT happened! This is the latest in a long, long saga of Hussie trolling the Vriska thread on the MSPA Forums. A lot of them are starting to lose hope that there'll be a payoff at the end of it. Myself, included. e; Re: Mind control, I thought it didn't work as well on the psychically gifted? Was that not the reason given for not being able to control Aradia (as well as sort-of explaining not controlling Sollux). Mituna and the other Megido haven't shown any psychic powers, have they? Does this cast the blue blood in this picture from Killed by 8r8k Spider's album art into a whole new light? (Yes, I still like that theory...) MarquiseMindfang fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 08:11
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I think the rules were never clearly explained, we know she can't control Terezi (which required the reach a round combo) but she can Do Sollux and Tavros both of whom have powers of some kind. Edit: Isn't the chuckle voodoo Kurloz's thing, I mean Gamzee has seemed to give 0 fucks about that whole end of things. Stormgale fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 08:22
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Honestly wouldn't have guessed she could control Gamzee though with his Chucklevoodoo powers (whatever those are) Of course, Aranea plotting to get her hands on this ring the whole time would explain why everyone gets sleepy when they get near it.
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Sep 3, 2013 08:26
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I can't believe that there were so many people who seriously thought the ring was going to go to Calliope. It's too obvious (this is Homestuck, after all. The easiest answers never work. :v;) and finding her ghost seems drat near impossible.
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Sep 3, 2013 08:28
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Stormgale posted:I think the rules were never clearly explained, we know she can't control Terezi (which required the reach a round combo) but she can Do Sollux and Tavros both of whom have powers of some kind. Gamzee's explicitly been shown to use the chucklevoodoos to create the Jack doll in John's dream room, and all but confirmed he did the same with the Cal doll in Dave. It's also been heavily implied (I think?) at the least that he was voodoo-ing Terezi during the lead up to her rooftop confrontation with Vriska.
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Sep 3, 2013 08:34
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I have a bad feeling that it's the Condesce calling and not actually Meenah.
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Sep 3, 2013 09:29
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Also that ring seems to have been a rip off - Areana's eyes are still ghostly in the real world.
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Sep 3, 2013 09:31
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I want to know if Aranea just re-died or if her eyes are an artwork mix-up.
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Line Feed posted:I have a bad feeling that it's the Condesce calling and not actually Meenah. It would have to be the Condesce. I doubt the real world gets very good cell reception from the afterlife. Edit: VVV They're still white for me. Is my cache messing it up or am I just that gullible? VVV Arthur Crackpot fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 09:36
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What artwork mixup, her eyes are perfectly fine!
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Sep 3, 2013 09:37
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SynthOrange posted:What artwork mixup, her eyes are perfectly fine! They weren't five minutes ago.
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Sep 3, 2013 09:39
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Nuh uh, you must have been imagining things.
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Sep 3, 2013 09:40
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Well holy poo poo, I did not expect that in the least.  Reminder though that John has ret-conning powers; the ring ending up on Aranea's finger is not something that will necessarily be true later on; I'm pretty sure if John learns of this he'll try to change it.
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YF-23 posted:Reminder though that John has ret-conning powers; the ring ending up on Aranea's finger is not something that will necessarily be true later on; I'm pretty sure if John learns of this he'll try to change it. Why would he though? It's not like he and the others specifically set their sights on using the ring to revive Calliope as part of their plan. He just didn't want to give to Vriska and instead decided to give it to Roxy so she could help her friend (who he does not know is one of the supposed keys to beating Lord English) As far as he knows Aranea's one of the better choices. Hell, she may very well be, we don't know what her deal is right now.
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Mazerunner posted:edit: Actually Aranea's apparent involvement with Gamzee now casts some new light on Terezi and Gamzee's relationship, especially since that relationship, Terezi healing her eyes and her spiral into depression are all pretty linked. Maybe? Am I reaching? But now you gotta wonder... if Gamzee is the most important character and has been setting up Caliborn to be Lord English aka "The Big Bad" just how much of this occurred because of Aranea's doing? Remember back when we assumed Vriska was the worst (best) because she caused Jack Noir's ascent to power back when we though Jack Noir was the Big Bad? Welp, this is a pretty fantastic parallel if I ever saw one. Stretch out this whole thing with the fact that Aranea seems to know everything about everything and, well, her taking the ring was probably the best move for the entire timeline. (Sorry if this has all been mentioned already, thread is moving at light speed.) BTW: Best cell phone ring tone ever. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 10:06
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Answer your drat phone Aranea 
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Sep 3, 2013 10:08
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DaveKap posted:Not reaching. I was going to come here to post the same thing. Aranea causing Terezi to heal her eyes, which she fully regrets, was probably a power move on Aranea's part. This is some sick Aranea dick-move action right here. Didn't restoring her sight also somehow gently caress up Terezi's Seer powers? Incapacitating the Seer of Mind would be a good move if you wanted to keep your intentions on the down-low.
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Mazerunner posted:Also there's this little sequence (check Aranea's expression later on). I don't think that was so much foreshadowing as it was Aranea not being oblivious to what was happening behind her.
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Arthur Crackpot posted:Didn't restoring her sight also somehow gently caress up Terezi's Seer powers? Incapacitating the Seer of Mind would be a good move if you wanted to keep your intentions on the down-low. "The term originates in Paracelsus, who describes sylphs as invisible beings of the air, his elementals of air." So she's essentially the invisible being of light. So either a seer can't see her anyway or a seer who saw her would go blind. But if you're already a blind seer, you can't go double-blind, so perhaps a usually-invisible Sylph of Light suddenly becomes an easily-visible target for just one seer, the blind one. I have extreme doubts that even if any of this was true, Hussie would actually go so far as to explain it this way. But hey, worth a shot at predicting.
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Okay, I forgot the specifics of the Ring of Life. Did they say it could only be used once ever to revive someone, or that it could be used on each dead person only once? Because both of those things could mean wildly different things in terms of Aranea's motivations here.Prison Warden posted:As far as we know, the genetic engineering bays in the furthest ring were only used to create actual Chess People who were horrific monsters for use on the battlefield, not the Carapacians. Why else would they need the prototyping rings? There were also cloning pods containing normal chess people. I remember them distinctly because with their animation they kicked their little legs in their sleep. 
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Sidenote, I wonder if this will be what kicks Meenah into Thief of Life'ing herself back.
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Wonder nothin', she's totally gonna take the ring. She said so herself. John hosed up, he was supposed to not let her steal it and now she's going to.
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This is a very strange development. Well, at any rate it's hard to believe things could get any worse so yeah do whatever Aranea.
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When Meenah begged John not to let her steal the ring, perhaps she knew somehow she would end up alive and the weight of inevitability she was fighting was behind that request? Edit: if its )(IC she's helping, Aranea's breadth of knowledge across all variations of both universes might have helped inspire, or even dictate, the Empress' long-reaching plan to escape Lord English's influence. Bell_ fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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