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Filthy Lucre
Feb 27, 2006
Going to display my ignorance here, but wouldn't this be a good place to consider a MED?

Without the prepends, border7 and border8 would have the same AS hop count as they are connected to the same provider. A MED could be used to tell the upstream which circuit you would prefer. Or am I totally misunderstanding how MEDs work? I've never tried using one, myself.

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madsushi
Apr 19, 2009

Baller.
#essereFerrari

Filthy Lucre posted:

Going to display my ignorance here, but wouldn't this be a good place to consider a MED?

Without the prepends, border7 and border8 would have the same AS hop count as they are connected to the same provider. A MED could be used to tell the upstream which circuit you would prefer. Or am I totally misunderstanding how MEDs work? I've never tried using one, myself.

Depends on if his upstream provider is using a single AS or two AS to provide service. If there's a single upstream AS, MED would work. If there's two upstream AS, then MED doesn't work (only works in the same AS).

jwh
Jun 12, 2002

I'm having a hard time understanding what communities i'd even set in this case, however, mostly because I can't tell what's going wrong on border7.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
What has internap said? Looks like a funky PBR on their border gateway

jwh
Jun 12, 2002

Internap is saying that both border 7 and border 8 are functionally identical, and that they see the prefixes the same (absent the prepends on 7).

I'm not convinced, but only because its so odd.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
What about your IDS, is there any way to take it out of the equation? The next hop after border7 is I'm assuming your IPS "bump in the wire", so that would be my next suspect.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
Get them to send you a show ip bgp for your /24 on both border routers, that'll be your easiest path to a fix (assuming you haven't done this already).

Flash z0rdon
Aug 11, 2013

jwh posted:

I've checked the /24 as it appears to cogent's looking glass, and aside from the prepends on the advertisement we make to border8, they're identical.

I'm stumped.

do a clear ip bgp *

OP. Then update your resume

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Tell them to stop being lame and setup a public looking glass so their customers can debug such issues themselves.

Log in to various other ISPs looking glasses to see what they see advertised to them.

doomisland
Oct 5, 2004

Internet routing owns and that looks like two different paths out of the Uruguay network.

doomisland fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Sep 5, 2013

Gap In The Tooth
Aug 16, 2004
South American routing can never be trusted.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Any issues to keep in mind if using /31s for point to points?

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Any issues to keep in mind if using /31s for point to points?

As long you're using IOS 12.2 or higher on both ends, I think you're good.

Bluecobra
Sep 11, 2001

The Future's So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Any issues to keep in mind if using /31s for point to points?
Maybe it's too early in the day for me, but how will that work? In a /31, there are only 2 IP addresses, and you need one for the network and the broadcast leaving you nothing for the interfaces on both ends. A /30 will give you 4 addresses total, leaving you with 2 addresses for the interfaces on both ends.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

Bluecobra posted:

Maybe it's too early in the day for me, but how will that work? In a /31, there are only 2 IP addresses, and you need one for the network and the broadcast leaving you nothing for the interfaces on both ends. A /30 will give you 4 addresses total, leaving you with 2 addresses for the interfaces on both ends.

Since 12.2 (actually, 12.2(2)T or something like that), Cisco has supported using /31 for point-to-point connections. I'm not sure about the lack of a network address, but P-P links don't need a broadcast address, so it kinda makes sense.

bad boys for life
Jun 6, 2003

by sebmojo

QPZIL posted:

As long you're using IOS 12.2 or higher on both ends, I think you're good.

Yeah, we use /31s on hundreds of devices and it's fine.

On another note, does anyone know of any software for mass deploying base configurations to routers connected to a term server? Im going to have to configure 50 routers at a time and would like to load a base config on each of them, and then apply a specific config file per term server port to them afterwards.

Im writing software to do it myself, but would like to use something commercial long term.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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We have BMC Network Automation (Bought it years ago when it was called E-Netaware) and it works reasonably well to push configs out based on templates, variables you can fill out, grouping devices by whatever.

It does a few things well, a few things poorly, and all sorts of features we don't use. We now use it more or less for basic customer port provisioning at scheduled times, and some auditing (alert if telnet enabled on a line vty for example).

I had eyeballed Manageengine DeviceExpert as a replacement. I liked it a lot better but the project for this kind of fizzled out.

Bluecobra
Sep 11, 2001

The Future's So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades

QPZIL posted:

Since 12.2 (actually, 12.2(2)T or something like that), Cisco has supported using /31 for point-to-point connections. I'm not sure about the lack of a network address, but P-P links don't need a broadcast address, so it kinda makes sense.

Wow, I had no idea you could do that. Here's the RFC if anyone wants to read it.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Bluecobra posted:

and you need one for the network and the broadcast leaving you nothing for the interfaces on both ends.

You don't need this and haven't in a long time. Even application owners don't rely on broadcasts for anything anymore. The only commonly used service that uses broadcasts is DHCP, switches don't even need to broadcast anymore strictly speaking.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

Powercrazy posted:

You don't need this and haven't in a long time. Even application owners don't rely on broadcasts for anything anymore. The only commonly used service that uses broadcasts is DHCP, switches don't even need to broadcast anymore strictly speaking.

Unless this is framed from the perspective of point-to-point links then what about ARP?

ragzilla
Sep 9, 2005
don't ask me, i only work here


abigserve posted:

Unless this is framed from the perspective of point-to-point links then what about ARP?

I'd think it'd be more accurate to state that the subnet directed broadcast addresses at layer 3 are no longer used by applications for most part, having moved to multicast instead. All-1s broadcast still being used for local applications (DHCP, ARP et al) requiring layer 2 broadcast in v4.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Scrub question.


Got a trunk up and running between a few switches and our Core. Not in same VTP database. I can prune the vlan on only one of the switches and non of the cores. Just doesn't accept it. SSH across it is fine however. Traffic flows.

Any ideas? Hardcoded dot1q. Should I use ISL?


ed


Just tried it again and now I can allowed add only 300. Still can't on 6500 ints though.

Zuhzuhzombie!! fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Sep 6, 2013

Fatal
Jul 29, 2004

I'm gunna kill you BITCH!!!
What on earth are you talking about? Definitely don't use ISL, dot1q is the only way to go. When you say prune, do you mean delete? If that's the case, I'm guessing the switch you can't delete VLANs off of is part of a VTP domain and is acquiring its VLAN database from another VTP server. Best solution is to get every switch on the same VTP domain so you don't have to deal with this crap.

Still I have no idea what this means: "I can allowed add only 300. Still can't on 6500 ints though."

ior
Nov 21, 2003

What's a fuckass?

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Just tried it again and now I can allowed add only 300. Still can't on 6500 ints though.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I am so stealing that image. It's the absolute perfect SH/SC.jpg :allears:

falz
Jan 29, 2005

01100110 01100001 01101100 01111010

Fatal posted:

Still I have no idea what this means: "I can allowed add only 300. Still can't on 6500 ints though."

Guessing that all VLANs are already allowed so 'switchport trunk allowed vlan add 300' doesn't appear to do anything. Or his 6500 ints aren't configured as switchports.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
You guys remember that issue I was having with my 3550 and 3750 not playing nice and the 3750 not accepting the switchport mode and encapsulation type I set it to?

I just plugged the 3550 into the next stack of 3750s and it works fine now :v: Still a mystery, but I suspect it to be an authentication issue. I couldn't write to the startup-config, so maybe the switchport mode wouldn't change for me because of authentication? Who knows.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

Fatal posted:

What on earth are you talking about? Definitely don't use ISL, dot1q is the only way to go. When you say prune, do you mean delete? If that's the case, I'm guessing the switch you can't delete VLANs off of is part of a VTP domain and is acquiring its VLAN database from another VTP server. Best solution is to get every switch on the same VTP domain so you don't have to deal with this crap.

Still I have no idea what this means: "I can allowed add only 300. Still can't on 6500 ints though."

I was trying to use "switchport trunk allowed vlan add 300" and it wasn't working. Didn't think to use "switchport trunk allowed vlan 300" because I should never ever use that command except for specific occasions.



ed


Since PRTG can't reasonably monitor SVI bandwidth we've tested, successfully, doing the same with sub interfaces. So now the plan is to replace the ridiculous bookended circuit we have which requires an individual interface and cabling for running customer host circuits with a router pointed at a trunked transport circuit and using sub interfaces instead. Woo. 7609 will do sub interfaces on it's switchblade. So do 6509s. If these two devices will do so, wouldn't also a 4500x?

Also, on a 6509 if you remove a blade the blade itself will still exist in the config until a reboot or you run a specific command. Anyone know what that command is?

Zuhzuhzombie!! fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Sep 9, 2013

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER
My boss quit last week and it's been quite the scramble to document the pieces he's been responsible for for the past decade.

jwh posted:

The short answer is yes, but the longer, and better answer is no

You should spring for a palo alto box, in my opinion.

An IPS (not necessarily Cisco) would be adequate, but not the ideal solution. Gotcha.

Docjowles posted:

Contingency, you just produced the best name/avatar/post combo I have ever seen :golfclap: Have I said this before about one of your posts? Feels familiar. Anyway.

Seconding this. I was in the middle of evaluating Palo Alto when I left my last job, and their poo poo is awesome. It was on the higher end of the price spectrum, but put it up against Cisco and it will look pretty great especially considering what you get for the money.

And for the love of god, please try to get management support for taking away local admin. Surely (right? :smithicide:) if you're talking several hundred users most of them are not special VP or C-level snowflakes that "need" local admin and unrestricted access to Pirate Bay to do their jobs.

In IT and engineering, most notable people win fame through a colossal blunder. Rickover is the rare exception.

I do hear a lot of good things about Palo Alto feature-wise, but also that stability isn't there yet. My company just lost one of our key admins, so they're likely wary of buying expensive hardware that only one person would know how to manage. Everyone knows Cisco.

Local admin is a political problem. The plan was to deploy a ticketing system so the support department can quantify how much time they spend on preventable issues (and use those metrics to justify removing admin), but that was shot down by management because tickets are too much of a hassle for end-users. Meanwhile, users regularly complain to upper management because their issue was overlooked. "Let me provide better service" is a much tougher sell at my company than it should be.

dotster posted:

From a safe to deploy standpoint the Cisco IPS is not bad, if you use the default sig set and have it drop traffic with a threat rating over 90 (you could start with 95-99 to be safe on first deploy) you will have a very low to zero false positives from outside to inside. The coverage is not as good as Sourcefire (they are the best IPS out there) and Sourcefire does a better job mapping and learning your network to help you deploy. If you are already a Cisco shop and you need to deploy IPS I would go with one of these, probably Sourcefire if it were me.

If you don't really need IPS, meaning you lack and audit or compliance requirement like HIPAA, PCI, or something similar then I would look at an application firewall. The Palo Alto box is nice but functionally you can do most of the same thing with an ASA with integrated IPS, that is what PA is but just does a better job of integrating the two. The Sourcefire app firewall is nice as well. Like before if you are a Cisco shop with an ASA I would used integrated IPS, if it is greenfield I would add Sourcefire. If you aren't a Cisco shop then I would eval the Sourcefire and PA app firewall stuff.

My company does use ASAs (and enough of them to discount the possibility of replacing them with another vendor), so the IPS module is what I was considering. It sounds like they would work as desired, but are not the best/most effective choice. Unfortunately, I found that my ASA is EOL, and so is the IPS module. I'm going to push hard for integrated IPS next upgrade. In the meantime, I could set up a Snort box in IDS mode as a proof of concept. If I can demonstrate its value, I might be able to convince management to pay for a Sourcefire box.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh


So I've got a phone interview with a company tomorrow that works with Cisco UCS B and C series servers - and welp, I've never heard of them before today. What are they? How do they relate to the rest of Cisco's products? The extent of my technical knowledge is CCNA-level, and these devices don't even appear to be dedicated towards networking.

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Erkenntnis posted:

So I've got a phone interview with a company tomorrow that works with Cisco UCS B and C series servers - and welp, I've never heard of them before today. What are they? How do they relate to the rest of Cisco's products? The extent of my technical knowledge is CCNA-level, and these devices don't even appear to be dedicated towards networking.

They're servers built around a unified Cisco storage/network/compute stack intended for VMware deployments.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Erkenntnis posted:

So I've got a phone interview with a company tomorrow that works with Cisco UCS B and C series servers - and welp, I've never heard of them before today. What are they? How do they relate to the rest of Cisco's products? The extent of my technical knowledge is CCNA-level, and these devices don't even appear to be dedicated towards networking.

If that's all they are working with, then that position isn't really a network position.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Yeah it's not a networking product per se, though it has a networking component. It's basically compute + networking + storage in a box, designed to scale out massively but be centrally managed from one interface. My company's starting to roll them out in a limited fashion. The B-series are a blade chassis, and the C-series are a traditional rack mount form factor.

FWIW we have had no loving end of problems with the C series but the B's have been great.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.
I'm posting this here to get input from tech-savvy goons to respond to while I google the same thing.


My company uses a Cisco Global Site Selector for load balancing between datacenters, though I do not know the make/model/version of it. I am responsible as an application guy to suggest settings to the networking folks for GSS configuration.

That said:

I have two IIS servers, one at each site configured identically such that each server has 8 virtual sites within IIS listening on port 80. So each server responds to:

code:
http://server1/site1/application1.jsp
http://server1/site2/application2.jsp
.
.
http://server1/site8/application8.jsp
and

code:
http://server2/site1/application1.jsp
http://server2/site2/application2.jsp
.
.
http://server2/site8/application8.jsp
with the VIP responding to

code:
http://vip/site1/application1.jsp
http://vip/site2/application2.jsp
.
.
http://vip/site8/application8.jsp
configured for Active/Passive operation using an ordered list that directs all traffic to server1.

Now:

Is it possible to configure the GSS such that if a probe of a URL on server1 fails, all traffic to that URL and only that URL will be directed to server2?

I am being told by a network guy that I don't really know or trust, that this isn't possible. He is saying that since each site answers on the same TCP port, GSS can only be configured in two ways:

1. If a URL probe fails on server1 on any of the URLs, server1 gets taken out of the VIP and traffic for all eight URLs will be directed to server2.

2. Make each URL listen on a different port and create a unique VIP for that URL. This will give each url independence from the other URLs. Like this:

code:
http://vip1:80/site1/application1.jsp
http://vip2:81/site2/application2.jsp
.
.
http://vip8:87/site8/application8.jsp
But this seems overly complicated and dumb. It makes no sense to me that Cisco has no way of monitoring and handling multiple virtual sites independently within a single VIP.

Help?

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer

Erkenntnis posted:

So I've got a phone interview with a company tomorrow that works with Cisco UCS B and C series servers - and welp, I've never heard of them before today. What are they? How do they relate to the rest of Cisco's products? The extent of my technical knowledge is CCNA-level, and these devices don't even appear to be dedicated towards networking.
They are just servers, really. Very nice ILO and integrated firmware management tools.

ruro
Apr 30, 2003

Agrikk posted:

But this seems overly complicated and dumb. It makes no sense to me that Cisco has no way of monitoring and handling multiple virtual sites independently within a single VIP.

Help?
Caveat: I don't have experience with GSS but I have extensive experience with various ACE appliances and modules, and GSS is part of the ACE family so I expect its configuration and operation is quite similar.

First of all keep in mind that GSS directs client traffic to servers by controlling the response to DNS queries - it has no idea what URL the client is trying to reach, only the host name it is resolving. Having said that if the probes are configured to expect a particular response from a particular URL separate ports shouldn't be necessary, only separate VIPs/probes/server-farms for each application. So if you want fail over for individual URLs you're going to have to consider a separate VIP per application.

Someone who has used GSS can correct me if I am way off base here.

ruro fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Sep 13, 2013

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.

ruro posted:

So if you want fail over for individual URLs you're going to have to consider a separate VIP per application.

So we would have to set it up like:

code:
http://vip1/site1/application1.jsp
http://vip2/site2/application2.jsp
.
.
http://vip8/site8/application8.jsp
but it would still all be on port 80?

ragzilla
Sep 9, 2005
don't ask me, i only work here


Docjowles posted:

Yeah it's not a networking product per se, though it has a networking component. It's basically compute + networking + storage in a box, designed to scale out massively but be centrally managed from one interface. My company's starting to roll them out in a limited fashion. The B-series are a blade chassis, and the C-series are a traditional rack mount form factor.

FWIW we have had no loving end of problems with the C series but the B's have been great.

Can you expand on your issues with the C servers? We're looking at adding some for local storage applications.

jwh
Jun 12, 2002

Agrikk posted:

So we would have to set it up like:

code:
[url]http://vip1/site1/application1.jsp[/url]
[url]http://vip2/site2/application2.jsp[/url]
.
.
[url]http://vip8/site8/application8.jsp[/url]
but it would still all be on port 80?

Correct. I'm not familiar with GSS, but yes, you should be able to build separate VIPs that use the same "real servers," but health checked differently.

I've done it with F5 LTM frequently.

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ruro
Apr 30, 2003

Agrikk posted:

So we would have to set it up like:

code:
[url]http://vip1/site1/application1.jsp[/url]
[url]http://vip2/site2/application2.jsp[/url]
.
.
[url]http://vip8/site8/application8.jsp[/url]
but it would still all be on port 80?
Correct.

Also, based on what you've said so far I would confirm that GSS is probing a URI that will return an error if the application is in anyway non-functional - e.g. the server might return HTTP/200 but there is some problem with a DB query and all that's displayed is a header/footer.

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