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Samovar posted:Was it my imagination, or did the person in Booker's office yelling through the door sound like TWO people? Sounded to me like the Splicers from Bioshock 1 and 2. But there is a reason for it, though. It'll be a while, but we'll learn it.
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John Liver posted:This is a similar situation to the barbershop quartet, I noticed - sounds like the song is Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Yeah I caught that right away, and sure enough the song plays in Paris. It seems the machine has some ability to predict whatever dimensional ripping 'the specimen' is going to do next.
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Sep 6, 2013 23:03
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^^^^ Or there is a 'currently active' dimension that she can open up a portal to. We don't know yet if she can control where exactly it goes. It might be Paris because she wanted to go there, or she paints Paris because that's what she sees on the other side. The idea of alternate dimensions was thought about in fiction as early as the 30s, with Murray Leinster's "Sidewise in Time" (in which battles are fought between peoples from different timelines). Borges's "Garden of Forking Paths", which has the idea of branching timelines and alternate versions of oneself making choices in a different manner, was published in 1941. This was several decades before 'Many-Worlds' became more formalized in QM, but it wouldn't be that out of place if people of this time managed to discover some way to harness the power and control it. Then again if time travel is involved, then it's entirely possible that the apparent anachronisms are simply the future leaking through into the past; all of the required science for this may come from the 1980s or later.
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Sep 7, 2013 00:57
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Samovar posted:Was it my imagination, or did the person in Booker's office yelling through the door sound like TWO people? I thought that it was just a weird dream voice. But now that you mention it, it does sound like two people.
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Sep 7, 2013 03:45
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Ceiling fan posted:I thought that it was just a weird dream voice. But now that you mention it, it does sound like two people. I thought it was a dream voice as well. Also, I'm really glad I wasn't crazy when I thought that the mark on his hand says "AD" when I watched the previous update. I've never seen/played the game (or any Bioshock game for that matter) so I still have no idea what it means, but perhaps it will be explained later on. My "crazy, uneducated theory" is that the mark is Anna's initials (and that Anna is/was his wife), and he somehow got her killed.
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Sep 7, 2013 04:12
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Broken Box posted:Yeah I caught that right away, and sure enough the song plays in Paris. It seems the machine has some ability to predict whatever dimensional ripping 'the specimen' is going to do next. I didnt recognize the tune from the siphon, but it sounded to me like distorted humming... Later, I assumed that it was playing or broadcasting Elizabeth's humming, I assumed she was humming as she got ready for her trip to paris, while you were making your way into the statue. Why that was a part of the siphon I still have no idea.
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Sep 7, 2013 04:30
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A couple points I feel should be brought up. The priest at the very beginning. Blind as a bat. Look at his milky eyes. Yeah I know he was playing to the crowd but its a little silly for a blind priest to say "Does he look-" to describe the main character. Second. Time travel and quarantine zone. Yeah. The girl may be zapping people if she's awake and pissed at her captors/doctors and that poor janitor. But there is another logical reason for the quarantine zone. Suppose they know that she can tear open portals to another time. What may come back might be deadlier than a speeding ambulance. Disease. Especially virulent, antibiotic resistant and evolved versions of their current bugs. Virus's and bacteria tend to go step in step with the populace's resistance to said virus's and bacteria. They get stronger to combat our antibodies and we get stronger medicine and become more resistant to disease in response to the stronger bugs. You can see parallels in introducing European diseases to Native American civilization's back in the early 1500's. So you can very easily imagine that a normal to us common cold could do to a population which has few to no natural or man-made defenses. Sulfa drugs and penicillin was not even invented till... WW 1? Whatever. Way after 1912. Third: I'm sensing a theme here. Early baptism= damage to Booker. An oddity in comparison to nearly every other video game character. Drowning a bit in the man made pool = MUCH more damage this time around. Songbird taking damage while being submerged. I mean common. It's bleeding out like mad and its eye thingies cracked. If this was any other video game boss fight we would know two things. One guns won't work on it due to storybook invincibility and the giant red weakness flag the game helpfully showed us. Two, in conjunction with the theme of drowning = damage, we are going to have to kill by drowning it. Fourth: I thought the key was given to us by the Lutece's in that box at the very beginning? You can see him spinning it around.
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Sep 7, 2013 04:32
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Having a portal to 1980s Paris following you around would actually be an incredibly useful power no matter where and when you were, but it would be a little boring.
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Sep 7, 2013 14:02
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Kinfolk910 posted:Songbird taking damage while being submerged. Have we actually heard what that thing's name is yet?
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Sep 7, 2013 14:17
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Sundowner kind of skipped past them, but there were posters depicting it in the opening area.
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Thunk posted:Sundowner kind of skipped past them, but there were posters depicting it in the opening area.
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Sep 7, 2013 16:01
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Don't forget the dollies we've been seeing around bearing its likeness; there was one on the bench below Lutece's statue, where we found that audiolog by the girl. It's a cunning strategy by Comstock, reall; if you have something that needs protection and don't want anyone being (too) freaked out by seeing it, you treat it as just another tourist attraction. It's a little bit like the situaion of the Big Daddies in Bio1, although I don't remember Ryan ever really trying that.
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Sep 7, 2013 16:34
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Not with the Big Daddies, but the Little Sisters were definitely turned into a marketing gimmick - there's an audio log that talks about using them in the imagery of the Gatherer's Garden vending machines.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:30
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GenHavoc posted:
Cannot agree enough with this - that whole scene left me gobsmacked the first time I played and it's one of the most memorable sequences in the game... in spite of being completely 100% scripted. It's really effective at conveying the fact that holy poo poo you do not want to fight this thing. Erwin the German fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Sep 7, 2013 19:10
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Kloro posted:Not with the Big Daddies, but the Little Sisters were definitely turned into a marketing gimmick - there's an audio log that talks about using them in the imagery of the Gatherer's Garden vending machines.
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Sep 7, 2013 21:59
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Yeah I guess I missed some posters but I was looking for them! I can't recall from memory where every poster is so while recording I'm trying to keep an eye out while still focus on what I'm doing. That said, we haven't heard it called Songbird directly by a main character but a civilian said it as we passed them. It's a little too late to keep its name "secret" seeing as we've been so nonchalant when discussing it since the last update. Speaking of which, I may very well get an update out tomorrow.
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Sep 7, 2013 23:21
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I'm confused, Comstock knew exactly what you were coming here to do? Then why the heck didn't he have a huge portion of his army stationed at monument island ready to kill you? The place being completely abandoned is just weird.
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Sep 8, 2013 02:55
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Internet Kraken posted:I'm confused, Comstock knew exactly what you were coming here to do? Then why the heck didn't he have a huge portion of his army stationed at monument island ready to kill you? The place being completely abandoned is just weird.
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Sep 8, 2013 03:09
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And Monument Island is supposed to be some sort of Forbidden Zone, too. Whatever his reasons, he wants as few people as possible even knowing it exists, much less who or what is inside it. So getting a bunch of grunts in there to protect something he's trying to keep secret would be a conflict of his interests.
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Sep 8, 2013 03:14
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Perhaps he knows that something will happen. He just doesn't know WHEN and perhaps WHERE. So he can't have an army waiting for the second you get off the rocket ship. Or maybe, as was conjectured earlier, Booker is just a pawn in a time war between at least two factions. Both sides are doing weird time things to each other and you're smack dab in the middle of it.
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Sep 8, 2013 03:23
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Internet Kraken posted:I'm confused, Comstock knew exactly what you were coming here to do? Then why the heck didn't he have a huge portion of his army stationed at monument island ready to kill you? The place being completely abandoned is just weird.
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Sep 8, 2013 03:42
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Since everyone's talking about whether there's a songbird poster, might as well post this: (Can't remember if it's in-game, but it's at least in the concept art book)
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Sep 8, 2013 03:47
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AradoBalanga posted:I think it was a case of Comstock investing too much in the last line of defense, the Songbird. He let there be a heavier human presence at the fairgrounds/entrance to Columbia, then figured that he'd lure Booker into a false sense of security on Monument Island, then let the programming (if you can call it that) of the Songbird do the heavy lifting...er, smashing. Instead, Booker and Elizabeth escape the Songbird (barely) thanks to both Booker's tenacity and a giant dose of plain dumb luck. I'm willing to bet Comstock's firing off several new swear words off-screen right now at this development because of his over-confidence. Huh, I assumed the Songbird wasn't entirely under his control. Cause if it were, I don't see how this game could last very long when there is a giant bird monster ready to smash your head in. Though I guess after that dunk in the water it will be in the repair shop for awhile.
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If Comstock really can see the future, why is it strange that he does things that seem illogical to viewers with incomplete knowledge? If he can't really see the future, why is it strange that he makes mistakes? It's a complicated story but even then it's possible to think too hard about it.
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Sep 8, 2013 04:50
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And the children's rhyme for completion's sake: "Songbird, Songbird see him fly, drop the children from the sky. When the young ones misbehave, escorts children to their grave. Never back-talk, never lie, or he'll drop you from the sky!"
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Sep 8, 2013 05:10
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citybeatnik posted:Dan Carlin's a relatively recent discovery of mine, so it's always nice to see him popping up elsewhere. He's also less likely to deny climate change, explicitly call science a danger to our freedoms, deify Reagan, or bemoan the fact that we now teach about black people and women in history class. Seriously, Dan Carlin is a loving moron. I know it's fun to listen to him now because he was right about the NSA thing, but if you listen to his older podcasts, he has some truly horrific opinions.
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Sep 8, 2013 09:07
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Arglebargle III posted:If Comstock really can see the future, why is it strange that he does things that seem illogical to viewers with incomplete knowledge? If he can't really see the future, why is it strange that he makes mistakes? It's a complicated story but even then it's possible to think too hard about it. This also feeds into the question of *how* did he know someone with a particular distinguishing mark was coming and set a large amount of assets towards anticipating the person's arrival.
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Dan Carlin also tells sensationalized history, so he's not even a very good presenter of popularized history. He'll do stuff like take ancient numbers at face value, or at most tell you that the ancient numbers are unreliable but then go ahead and use them anyway. Everything he ever talks about is the biggest/most/best. His series on the Mongol empire was entertaining and informative but only because I have never read anything else based on the Secret History of the Mongols. I suspect if I read something better I would have a lot of issues even with that, which I think is the only good thing of his I've heard. His series on Republican Rome really, really pushes one (sensationalized) narrative and leaves out some really important context.
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Sep 8, 2013 10:31
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It never ceases to astonish me that it's perfectly possible to be partisan about Roman politics, twenty one centuries after the fact.
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Sep 8, 2013 11:21
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Well modern sensibilities side with the Populares, so it's actually not surprising. The idea of an unelected Senate is horrifying to moderns. Unless you're some sort of weird crypto-aristo-republican.
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Sep 8, 2013 11:54
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Petr posted:Seriously, Dan Carlin is a loving moron. I know it's fun to listen to him now because he was right about the NSA thing, but if you listen to his older podcasts, he has some truly horrific opinions. Enjoyed the Fall of the Roman Republic, but I also tend to treat anything he talks about as pure entertainment than anything actually informative. Thor's Angels and Prophets of Doom were also both fun.
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Sep 8, 2013 19:15
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If you go back and listen to it you might notice how Sulla practically falls out of the narrative after the Cimbri Wars until it's time for him to come back and shitkick everyone involved in the Marian Terror. Anyway this isn't the history thread but he's definitely far to the entertainment side of edutainment.
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 This almost never made the LP because I stupidly deleted the raw footage and had somehow convinced my self it already happened, right before recording what will be Part 6 I noticed I couldn't remember talking about a big chunk of gameplay and had to replay some stuff to re-record it. Fun! Bonus stuff... (click 'em!) Seeing as he has been talked about in the thread and we've seen some art/propaganda relating to him in game, here's some larger resolution images to gawk at.   The left image is some propaganda showing how the Songbird might aid the denizens of Columbia, the right image is the snazzy "flip cover" you get with certain versions of the physical version of the game. Sundowner fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 20, 2013 |
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Sep 10, 2013 21:28
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Your banner image says update four instead of five. Not like it matters much.
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Sep 10, 2013 21:47
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Yeah that's actually consistent, go look at the first update :\ I'm gonna fix them soon, it will require recreating the image backgrounds though as I tend to just save over poo poo because I'm lazy.
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Sep 10, 2013 21:48
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I didn't notice until just now anyway. :P Dapper job on your commentary. I'm very glad you've turned down the difficulty.
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That song is very subtle, and I've seen a lot of folks say "man I was humming that song when I left the boardwalk but I had no idea why." It's neat. You skipped (understandably especially since this was a replayand there's a lot of stuff to show off) taking Elizabeth around the beach. She'll comment on things, try to lift one of the medicine balls, and generally be adorable.
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One of the first things I did when I got this game was flip the cover around. I hadn't even put the disk in the system yet, but I just thought that this was a cooler looking picture than "generic hero and heroine action shot." And in case anyone's curious, here's what the boxquote translates to. quote:the subject's mind fought AndwhatIseeisme fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 10, 2013 |
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Sep 10, 2013 22:29
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Bruceski posted:That song is very subtle, and I've seen a lot of folks say "man I was humming that song when I left the boardwalk but I had no idea why." It's neat. I keep forgetting about some of the incidental stuff Elizabeth might do. I'll go back and record a little bonus video soon to show more of Battleship Bay off with Elizabeth being around, I definitely want people to realize just how great a job Irrational did with her.
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Was that guy talking about getting you a pair of swim trunks inside his wagon coming on to mister Dewit or am I imagining things.
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