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Allyn posted:Yeah it only shows up if your liege is of another religion or if you're a heretic. Oh well. Heir education's your only way out I think Yea... this is what is what I am working on. Unfortunately I am on child #4. They keep murdering my heirs! At the very least I was able to institute medium crown authority with catholicism.
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Is there a decent guide for getting into a Byzantine game on an old gods start? Most guides I found were from 1081.
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Sep 11, 2013 03:04
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uh zip zoom posted:Is there a decent guide for getting into a Byzantine game on an old gods start? Most guides I found were from 1081. 867 start's pretty easy if you start as the Emperor, just holy war all those little emirates to the east as fast as you can before they start sharing a border with the Abbasids so they don't feel so inclined to join in. If you think you can take them all at once (and I seem to remember I could, so you probably can) then do so -- they'll just join eachother's wars if you don't and you'll end up fighting them all anyway. Also grab Sicily back really early because it's rich as gently caress and your vassal will give you a healthy levy. Then invite claimants to Georgia/Armenia to your court and convert them, then press their claims. As those are both de jure parts of the Byzantine Empire then they'll become your vassals. Once you've done that you'll be plenty big enough to take on whoever you want unless the Abbasids eat all of Egypt and Persia. Press up towards Croatia and grab the rest of Sicily and you're already pretty drat close to your de jure borders, at which point you're probably the biggest person on the map. Then you can go grab the Crimea or Wallachia or Rome or Alexandria or whatever you want, to be honest. The only thing that can really derail you is succession and that's always somewhat random.
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Sep 11, 2013 03:16
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I'm having some really weird inheritance poo poo going on in one of my CK2+ games. I'm a king-level vassal of the Byzantine Empire with two kingdom titles (Crimea and Alania) who is currently married to the Queen of Burgundy. All of the kingdom-level titles are Ag-Cog Primogeniture. I was worried I wasn't going to have any offspring between the marriage so I used the pollinate command and got a son. For four years, he was listed properly as the heir to everything--my current character's kingdoms and his wife's kingdom and so on. However, all of the sudden, the game decided that my primary heir was going to be a nephew of mine produced from a matrilineal marriage, who is 18. My character's son is now set to inherit only the Kingdoms of Alania and Burgundy. I was totally confused by this, so I cheat-stabbed my way through relatives quite a bit. After that weird nephew, his three brothers became my primary heir, followed by my character's sisters. I didn't even get to the point at which my biological son would be my heir. What the gently caress gives? It's like the game forgot he was there, but...only kind of? I have no clue.
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Sep 11, 2013 03:46
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Check to see if he became a bishop's heir (or a bishop), or if he somehow became involved with a merchant republic. The game absolutely refuses to allow non-feudal titleholders to inherit kingdoms or empires in almost all circumstances.
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Sep 11, 2013 03:49
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What triggers Liberation Revolts? I notice that NPC empires tend to get them really often, yet I only very rarely do. Are they also based on the '[Blah] is recruiting an army' event like adventurer/host claims?
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Sep 11, 2013 03:50
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I think those are just a renaming of the peasant revolts a sufficiently large realm gets every two minutes. If the peasants want to secede, it's called a liberation revolt.
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Sep 11, 2013 04:00
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Flesnolk posted:I think those are just a renaming of the peasant revolts a sufficiently large realm gets every two minutes. If the peasants want to secede, it's called a liberation revolt. Definitely not, since I still get goddamned peasant revolts all the time as an empire. Further, Liberation Revolts have bigger armies, better troop types, better leaders, and target an entire kingdom. Peasant revolts are much weaker across the board and only target one county.
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Sep 11, 2013 04:04
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I'm trying to get into this again, and as it turns out I'm still terrible about it. I've got three daughters lying around, and I'm not sure what to do with them. Nobody worth marrying will take a matrilineal marriage, and to my understanding marrying them off in the typical way is going to leave their heirs with claims on my land, which I'm not thrilled about. Am I wrong? What's my move here?
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Sep 11, 2013 04:05
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To be more specific, I believe liberation revolts only happen in de jure provinces of a kingdom-level tile that is not a member of the empire. I've never seen a Liberation revolt happen when the title involved is held by the Emperor or one of his vassals, and I've never seen Liberation revolts for duchies. That said, making or usurping the appropriate title won't actually lower the revolt chance any, it'll just change it to a cultural or religious or peasant revolt instead (and vassals won't automatically clean up certain religious revolts for you, so this can actually be kind of irritating).
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Sep 11, 2013 04:11
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Axeface posted:I'm trying to get into this again, and as it turns out I'm still terrible about it. I've got three daughters lying around, and I'm not sure what to do with them. Nobody worth marrying will take a matrilineal marriage, and to my understanding marrying them off in the typical way is going to leave their heirs with claims on my land, which I'm not thrilled about. Am I wrong? What's my move here? As long as you don't marry them off to anybody bigger than you, you're probably safe. Eventually those claims will die out unless they're pressed in war; I've never had any issues with marrying off daughters anyway.
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Sep 11, 2013 04:17
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Axeface posted:I'm trying to get into this again, and as it turns out I'm still terrible about it. I've got three daughters lying around, and I'm not sure what to do with them. Nobody worth marrying will take a matrilineal marriage, and to my understanding marrying them off in the typical way is going to leave their heirs with claims on my land, which I'm not thrilled about. Am I wrong? What's my move here? Marry them off to powerful distant realms. Even if the AI has a claim on your land they tend not to press it if they dont border you or for Islands are relatively close by. Like if you are King of France or a vassal of France marry your daughter off the the King/Prince of Hungary or something. In return you get an ally you can drag into your wars. You could also just marry them to random courtier who are a part of your court in the hopes you get some awesome offspring out of them that can eventually hold an advisory position or lead an army.
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Sep 11, 2013 04:27
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Synnr posted:Has anyone done like an actual in-depth experiment and breakdown of how the genetics work in the game? The wikis I looked at all have the same text copied around. I'm getting frustrated by the apparent complete randomness of inheritance. Double geniuses really should beget more than 1 genius child out of 11! You could also select for beauty as well.
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Sep 11, 2013 06:44
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DontMockMySmock posted:Okay, so I inherited as my stupid grandson, and proceeded with operation Stab Dad to inherit Galicia (a-c primogeniture) from him. When my plot succeeds, instead of me, his eldest living son, some random rear end in a top hat I'd never heard of got all of his titles, from the kingdom on down. I have no idea how this dude got it; I expanded every last branch of both the dad's dynasty tree and the new king's dynasty tree, and there's no loving overlap. The new king doesn't have any royalty on his entire dynasty tree. He has absolutely no blood relation to any other Galician king. How the gently caress did he inherit? What the gently caress is going on? The game is just loving with me now. I'm pretty sure I know what happened. Did you gain the title of Emperor of Britannia during that play session? If so that's what did it I think. I know that when my Byzantine Emperor restored the Roman Empire all the inheritances went crazy. You just have to save and restart and it should be fine.
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Sep 11, 2013 07:48
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This game has had some really bizarre stuff  Playing as the Empire of Hispania, take all of Mauritania but can't usurp the title for about a decade. Finally the sultan only has one war left to finish before I can, which is Mali pushing its de jure claim for his only county (why he put his capital there I've no idea). Except he also has a city on the coast way out near Egypt. So when he loses the war, he instantly relocates the city, and as he holds a kingdom-level title he instantly becomes the Muslim trade republic of Mauritania, based out of not-Mauritania. And you can't usurp the primary title of a republic. 
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Sep 11, 2013 10:48
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So I have vassals whose opinion of me drops when I give them land because they're mad about not having direct control of bishoprics and cities within the county they were given. Is this supposed to happen?
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Sep 11, 2013 10:52
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fleshweasel posted:So I have vassals whose opinion of me drops when I give them land because they're mad about not having direct control of bishoprics and cities within the county they were given. Is this supposed to happen? Tick "include lower titles" when giving them the county. Or manually generate new vassals for the baronies (right click the holding and click the one in the bottom left, or click them and press v if you use Arumba's keyboard shortcuts mod) and they'll auto-transfer when you hand it out. If you are doing one of these things already then, uh, no it probably shouldn't be happening. You can go to the diplomacy page for the count and use the transfer vassal option regardless so it's not a big deal, just frustrating.
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Sep 11, 2013 10:56
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Yeah, when you give a person land, they expect to own everything in it. I tend to just tranfer the vassalage of the holdings to them too, as either way you're still getting tax and levies. -- Is it worth holding a castle for myself and upgrading the crap out of it?
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Sep 11, 2013 10:57
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I have a huge -30 breaking feudal obligation penalty and no idea what I did to incur it.  How long is that gonna last?
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Sep 11, 2013 11:12
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Charlz Guybon posted:I have a huge -30 breaking feudal obligation penalty and no idea what I did to incur it. Have you assassinated any vassals recently?  (And did you get caught?) That seems to be the cause of that modifier, which is apparently event-driven. I don't know how long it lasts; regular tyranny is 10 years, but this is a unique modifier. You'd have to read the event file to know for sure.
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Sep 11, 2013 11:26
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Glass Hand posted:Have you assassinated any vassals recently? I got a message saying some random guy was hiring mercenaries to enforce a claim on my land. He wasn't my vassal, he wasn't even landed or of my dynasty. Going back through my screenshots it seems that Duke of Syria show this as proof that I broke feudal obligations with a vassal. Seems like it's a bug.
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Sep 11, 2013 11:34
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Charlz Guybon posted:I got a message saying some random guy was hiring mercenaries to enforce a claim on my land. He wasn't my vassal, he wasn't even landed or of my dynasty. Going back through my screenshots it seems that Duke of Syria show this as proof that I broke feudal obligations with a vassal. Seems like it's a bug. If the guy really was random and had no connection to you or your vassals than perhaps it is, though it may be more likely that he's related to you or your vassals somehow and the event isn't limited just to vassals. Again, reading the event file would probably help to clear things up, though I don't know in which file you'd find it. It seems to be a pretty rare event. It's never happened to me, despite assassinating vassals all the time; I'm only aware of the modifier from what other people have posted. I can never seem to plot-kill adventurers and claimants-with-armies, and spending 300 gold on a mediocre chance of diplo-killing them looks like a bad deal, particularly when I can hire mercenaries for a lot less than that. Unless the attack is really poorly timed, after my levies are exhausted from a tough war, I can often deal with it myself and only rarely need to grab a mercenary band or call in an ally. Actually, the last claimant who attacked me remained in my court after I released him (I was feeling kind), and now he's my loyal marshal (there are apparently no opinion maluses for "he thwarted my attack"). Some adventurers carry big stacks of cash with them and can be very profitably banished once defeated and captured. The mechanic is annoying sometimes, but can be played for an advantage occasionally.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:08
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I had a weird period of time where people in my own court and relatives were assembling private armies against me. Where this was happening with what money, I don't know.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:21
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The adventurers are interesting for flavour but it is more than a little bizarre when an unlanded courtier suddenly has an army larger than the combined levies of his liege.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:29
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evenworse username posted:The adventurers are interesting for flavour but it is more than a little bizarre when an unlanded courtier suddenly has an army larger than the combined levies of his liege. Not that I'm complaining. I think I built half of Kiev out of adventurer cash.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:32
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I'm also a bit frustrated by the fact that, and maybe I'm wrong here, I'd see landed characters in my realm (Like a Scottish Duke) raise an adventuring army and go off and conquer land in friggin' Georgia or something, which is then added to their (and thus MY) realm. I don't WANT land on the Black Sea, I'm Brittania, and I can't release it because that would release a quarter of Scotland. Seems to me that only unlanded characters with a poor chance to inherit anything should become adventurers and then they become independent realms. I sort of thought that was the idea, but I swear I've seen my Dukes raising a host to go off and conquer Bumfuckganistan on the other side of the map. Futhermore, I wish they'd add some mechanic back in that makes it hard/nearly impossible to manage a disconnected chunk of land on the other side of the map. With, perhaps, it getting easier the bigger your empire and the higher your title. It should really get handed off to someone in the conqueror's family bloodline and become independent. EDIT: It's just so weird to get an alert that there's a peasant revolt in Constantinople, and you zoom out, and you're like "WHAT THE gently caress?! I OWN CONSTANTINOPLE?! How the hell did that happen?" Then you notice all the weird places adventureres from your realm have conquered in your name, and you weep for the ugly, ugly buckshot borders. Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Sep 11, 2013 |
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Sep 11, 2013 18:47
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Fintilgin posted:I'm also a bit frustrated by the fact that, and maybe I'm wrong here, I'd see landed characters in my realm (Like a Scottish Duke) raise an adventuring army and go off and conquer land in friggin' Georgia or something, which is then added to their (and thus MY) realm. I don't WANT land on the Black Sea, I'm Brittania, and I can't release it because that would release a quarter of Scotland. Are you norse? They could be doing prepared invasions which is something separate from being an adventurer. Even if they're catholic they could be getting an invasion cb from the Pope (but I've never actually seen that happen).
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Sep 11, 2013 18:53
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Reveilled posted:Are you norse? They could be doing prepared invasions which is something separate from being an adventurer. Even if they're catholic they could be getting an invasion cb from the Pope (but I've never actually seen that happen). Oh yeah, I'm reformed norse. Is that it? I admit, I haven't seen the same behavior with my Catholic Italy Empire. Seems like they should still be independent. If a bunch of Vikings set sail from Britain, head to Egypt and conquer Alexandria to set up their own realm (happened in my game), they should probably be a rowdy, independent new state, not still swearing fealty to me back in Britain. They should leave their British holdings with their family there and set up a new line/realm whereever they conquer.
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Sep 11, 2013 18:56
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Also nice when all of a sudden you get a pop-up you weren't expecting saying you can create/usurp a title because some vassals actually did something useful.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:01
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Fintilgin posted:
"Sire, two messages just arrived for you. First message is as follows: "Peasants in Constantinople have risen in revolt" Second message is: "Your cousin Bjorn has taken over Constantinople."
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Sep 11, 2013 19:02
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Glass Hand posted:Actually, the last claimant who attacked me remained in my court after I released him (I was feeling kind), and now he's my loyal marshal (there are apparently no opinion maluses for "he thwarted my attack"). Some adventurers carry big stacks of cash with them and can be very profitably banished once defeated and captured. The mechanic is annoying sometimes, but can be played for an advantage occasionally. Nowadays I'm quite happy if I get the "so and so is raising an army" message. As long as you can keep a handle on things and not go to war for a little while, adventurers are just tons of money headed your way. It's better than raiding.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:14
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Of course, sometimes a claimant popping up with an army is indicative of deeper family or marital issues. I can't help but think that this could have been avoided with a good therapist.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:40
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Yeah, I kind of regret having absolute crown authority because no free effort conquests.
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Sep 11, 2013 21:22
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Think I'm giving up on my current CK2 game that began as me being one of the bigger territories in Scandinavia with the Old Gods start. Taught me a lot of things but it's just kind of gotten really gruelling to play all of a sudden after finding myself now in England. Being owned by Sweden is no fun  Any hope of breaking free or taking over haven't yet worked but after playing about 300 years so far it's probably best for me to go for a fresh start using what I've learnt. Longest game of CK2 I've played so far. Lots of highs and lows and, until crown authority laws started to get raised, it was fun collecting titles and almost managing to be the main power in Sweden owned Scandinavia. Maybe I should just try for the standard start than trying Old Gods all the time since I'm still 'new'? (Even if it says I've played 40 hours I still really suck at the game!)
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Sep 11, 2013 21:59
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poo poo in an effort to get my wife/friend's love for my ambition I ordered the assassination of her lover... who turned out to also be my rival and her brother. And I was discovered. drat, that murdered close kin thing made this backfire..
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Sep 11, 2013 22:34
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I promised my daughter I'd find her a husband and then sort of forgot about it. So when she came back to remind me, apparently I just found some random fella to be her husband. Literally:
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Sep 11, 2013 23:01
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Glass Hand posted:If the guy really was random and had no connection to you or your vassals than perhaps it is, though it may be more likely that he's related to you or your vassals somehow and the event isn't limited just to vassals. Again, reading the event file would probably help to clear things up, though I don't know in which file you'd find it. His mother was of my dynasty though he wasn't, but that was the only connection to me, he wasn't a close relative. He was just some unlanded courier/adventurer. The message box said the Duke of Syria had proof I killed a vassal, and he wasn't.
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Sep 11, 2013 23:28
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Reveilled posted:I promised my daughter I'd find her a husband and then sort of forgot about it. So when she came back to remind me, apparently I just found some random fella to be her husband. Literally: "Daaa~~~addyy, I'm like 25 years old already and you promised to find my a husband last yearrrrrr." "Okay, darling, how about... mm... that fella over there!"  "EHHHH!?""Awww daddy!" 
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Sep 12, 2013 00:32
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I had to look at that screenshot for a long time to get it.
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Got back into CK2+ now that patching is stable and the continuation dudes seem to be headed in the right direction: Anyone got some tips for early game in CK2+ as a multi-count? With the heavy nerf to fabricating claims(my 18 diplomat has been unsuccessful for 50+ years) I'm having a really hard go of expanding. Expansion via pressing claims is very limited until I become a duke because everyone will be the same titular level as me, and therefore become independent. I've tried to butter up to the kings and always side with them in civil wars hoping I might get some free hand outs, but so far only tax breaks. I busy my time being a general nuisance to all the mega dukes, embezzling and long term marriage dynasty planning but I need more. Once I clutch that duke title I'll be satisfied, I'm sure!(until I don't like the king of course) Captain Beans fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Sep 12, 2013 |
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