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Hieronymous Alloy posted:re: Molly It's at least possible that Molly may still be "human" for the value of human as described in the Dresdenverse, i.e., retaining free will. It would take a little retconning but Butcher could swing it depending. It may not be an instant change. Remember when Mab first showed up to give Harry a job, he rolled an iron nail toward her. She jumped back just before it touched her. But then, she's been Winter's Queen for centuries, if not millennia. It could take a while before the "fae-ness" begins to overcome Molly.
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Vicissitude posted:It may not be an instant change. I'm pretty sure this is it. Not for any logical reason, but just because it makes sense from a narrative perspective. It's no fun if Molly is just suddenly one thing or another, you gotta have enough time to really twist that knife.
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Sep 13, 2013 17:11
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Vicissitude posted:It may not be an instant change. Remember when Mab first showed up to give Harry a job, he rolled an iron nail toward her. She jumped back just before it touched her. But then, she's been Winter's Queen for centuries, if not millennia. It could take a while before the "fae-ness" begins to overcome Molly. Or even a long term one. Maeve was able to hold a pistol on the island with no problems. Though that could be nemesis there
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Sep 13, 2013 17:16
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Skippy McPants posted:I'm pretty sure this is it. Not for any logical reason, but just because it makes sense from a narrative perspective. It's no fun if Molly is just suddenly one thing or another, you gotta have enough time to really twist that knife. It's also kind of set up by Lily. Even though Dresden wasn't around her all the time, every time he saw her he mentioned how she had changed from the last time and that was spread over several years. And if I remember right, he saw her right after she gained the mantle, and all that had changed was her hair color at that point so I think it's safe to say that it's a slow transition.
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Sep 13, 2013 17:22
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Fried Chicken posted:Or even a long term one. Maeve was able to hold a pistol on the island with no problems. Though that could be nemesis there I don't remember the details of that scene, but there are plenty of guns with a polymer frame that a fae could probably use if somebody loaded the thing.
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Sep 13, 2013 18:23
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chellesandcheese posted:It's also kind of set up by Lily. Even though Dresden wasn't around her all the time, every time he saw her he mentioned how she had changed from the last time and that was spread over several years. And if I remember right, he saw her right after she gained the mantle, and all that had changed was her hair color at that point so I think it's safe to say that it's a slow transition. And Lily was a Changeling to begin with and Chose her Fae side.
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Sep 13, 2013 18:31
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:And Lily was a Changeling to begin with and Chose her Fae side. Are you talking about after she inherited the mantle? Because she definitely hadn't done that before she got it. She was a Winter changeling after all. Pretty sure she had to be mortal to receive the knight's mantle since that's the whole point of the knight to begin with.
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Sep 13, 2013 18:41
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mrking posted:I don't remember the details of that scene, but there are plenty of guns with a polymer frame that a fae could probably use if somebody loaded the thing. Yeah and before she produced it Maeve was hiding the gun somewhere. Whereever it was there was probably some contact with her skin, It had to have been made of some composite.
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Sep 13, 2013 19:46
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:And Lily was a Changeling to begin with and Chose her Fae side. She didn't so much Choose as having the choice made for her when she got the ladyship. quote:Yeah and before she produced it Maeve was hiding the gun somewhere. Whereever it was there was probably some contact with her skin, It had to have been made of some composite. It doesn't have to be nonmetallic, just nonferric. Heck, even though we don't use it anymore, gunmetal is copper (88%), tin (10%), and zinc (2%). Tunicate fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Sep 13, 2013 19:47
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chellesandcheese posted:Are you talking about after she inherited the mantle? Because she definitely hadn't done that before she got it. She was a Winter changeling after all. Pretty sure she had to be mortal to receive the knight's mantle since that's the whole point of the knight to begin with. Yeah, after. There's a Butcher quote somewhere that Lily Chose Fae and Fix Chose human. I think the exact process there is going to get a little ret-conned anyway, otherwise Molly becoming the Lady doesn't make sense at all since she was pure human.
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Sep 13, 2013 20:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, after. There's a Butcher quote somewhere that Lily Chose Fae and Fix Chose human. I'm thinking we just weren't given the critical knowledge about the criteria. We know there are conditions to be met, but not what they might be. We know you can be prepared for the 'job' but not how.
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Sep 13, 2013 20:22
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, after. There's a Butcher quote somewhere that Lily Chose Fae and Fix Chose human. OK, that makes a little more sense. Well, that depends. Mab claims to have been mortal once at the end of Cold Days. It's entirely possible that it's happened before and we just don't know about it yet. Of course she also could have just been a changeling too, but it seemed like a more important revelation than that
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Sep 13, 2013 20:28
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veekie posted:I'm thinking we just weren't given the critical knowledge about the criteria. We know there are conditions to be met, but not what they might be. We know you can be prepared for the 'job' but not how. There are pretty authoritative sources (Bob?) in the early books saying the Ladies are Fae and the knights are human, flat out, but considering the Ladies are oooooold the retcon is going to be that Bob was simply wrong is my guess. Bob knows almost everything but some knowledge is older than he.
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Sep 13, 2013 21:09
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Something Harry's mentioned a few times in the past couple books is that while Bob is a talking encyclopedia he doesn't know everything and what he does know is limited by his lack of a soul. A quote comes to mind regarding soulfire and the initial explanation bob gave about it. Maybe it's a retcon but Jim usually works it in far enough ahead of the reveal to feel organic. Edit: quoted the wrong post.
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Sep 13, 2013 23:33
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Also who knows what Lea was up to when she prepared Molly as a vessel.
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Sep 14, 2013 00:07
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mrking posted:I don't remember the details of that scene, but there are plenty of guns with a polymer frame that a fae could probably use if somebody loaded the thing. Unless you're using a military rifle, bullet casings are almost never made of steel. There's a reason they're called brass after all. So, that wouldn't be a problem either.
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Sep 14, 2013 02:52
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Not to mention, Mab herself actually handles the gun at one point.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:Not to mention, Mab herself actually handles the gun at one point. There are a great many ceramic based gun coating products available and aluminium alloy frame pistols. Even the most polymer filled pistol generally must have a metal slide in order to function properly. There are just lots and lots and lots of ways to keep your skin from touching steel, either by covering it in something or using a different metal. Non gun chat: I managed to get my parents addicted to the audiobooks, and since I share an Audible account I get to listen to the soothing voice of Marsters for the grand price of zero. I am re-listening to the audiobooks, and I am considering saving Changes for my motorcycle road trip up from LA to Seattle in a few weeks. Currently about halfway through Turn Coat, having just finished up Small Favor last night. I have a problem.
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Sep 14, 2013 07:32
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You guys missed the most important part of that interview: "Book fifteen is called Skin Game. It will be out either late this year or early next year, depending on how quickly the publisher wants to rush it through production." Awww yeah 
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Sep 14, 2013 17:20
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are pretty authoritative sources (Bob?) in the early books saying the Ladies are Fae and the knights are human, flat out, but considering the Ladies are oooooold the retcon is going to be that Bob was simply wrong is my guess. Bob knows almost everything but some knowledge is older than he. Bob is just an information gathering tool, and while he's pretty experienced, there's nothing he could do if he has the wrong info.
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Sep 14, 2013 17:40
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veekie posted:Bob is just an information gathering tool, and while he's pretty experienced, there's nothing he could do if he has the wrong info. His knowledge on the fae can be suspect because its all second hand due to Mab and others wanting to kill him for what he knows.
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Sep 14, 2013 19:28
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DJ_Ferret posted:Non gun chat: I managed to get my parents addicted to the audiobooks, and since I share an Audible account I get to listen to the soothing voice of Marsters for the grand price of zero. I am re-listening to the audiobooks, and I am considering saving Changes for my motorcycle road trip up from LA to Seattle in a few weeks. Currently about halfway through Turn Coat, having just finished up Small Favor last night. I have a problem. Changes might not be the best book to listen to when you're needing to keep your attention on the road.
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Ramadu posted:You guys missed the most important part of that interview: "Book fifteen is called Skin Game. It will be out either late this year or early next year, depending on how quickly the publisher wants to rush it through production." We might end up getting Molly's novella and Skin Game within about a month of each other.
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Sep 14, 2013 19:38
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Ramadu posted:You guys missed the most important part of that interview: "Book fifteen is called Skin Game. It will be out either late this year or early next year, depending on how quickly the publisher wants to rush it through production." It's not coming out this year. As of his Dragon*Con panel two weeks ago (about the time that interview was conducted), he hadn't even finished writing it. He probably said that because it's been his stock answer for the last few months.
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Are there any Dresden-esque web serials? I mean, superhero web serials like Worm are great and all, but I'd like to get my urban fantasy fix online.
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Sep 15, 2013 00:46
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Rereading the series, something in Grave Peril already caught my eye - when Michael is trying to bargain with Lea to get Amoracchius back, Lea's first offer was the sword in exchange for his eldest daughter.
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Sep 15, 2013 02:38
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Was there ever any speculation as to what the thing inside Harry's Head is?
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Sep 15, 2013 08:09
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Dravs posted:Was there ever any speculation as to what the thing inside Harry's Head is? Loads.
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Gygaxian posted:Are there any Dresden-esque web serials? I mean, superhero web serials like Worm are great and all, but I'd like to get my urban fantasy fix online. Worm is the only decent web serial I've found period, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Dravs posted:Was there ever any speculation as to what the thing inside Harry's Head is? The most common one is that it's Lash using the 'wizards regenerate instead of just healing' thing to come back from the dead.
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Stroth posted:The most common one is that it's Lash using the 'wizards regenerate instead of just healing' thing to come back from the dead. Probably the most likely since after Lash sacrificed herself, Butters(?) told Harry that part of his brain was literally blasted or burned out. This was, it seems, the part of his brain where Lash was stored. If that part of the brain is healing...
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Sep 15, 2013 13:23
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Stroth posted:The most common one is that it's Lash using the 'wizards regenerate instead of just healing' thing to come back from the dead. Would that account for killing him though? I was pretty sure that all she could do was tempt him, not physically harm him.
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Tres Burritos posted:Would that account for killing him though? I was pretty sure that all she could do was tempt him, not physically harm him. I'm guessing that its not a conscious thing. Just having another consciousness regenerating itself in his brain is causing all sorts of problems.
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Sep 15, 2013 14:40
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jivjov posted:I'm guessing that its not a conscious thing. Just having another consciousness regenerating itself in his brain is causing all sorts of problems. Or, regenerated and given an independent existence by having been named, her first act upon recovery is to materialize, which burns him out as his soul is used to catalyze a new angel
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veekie posted:Or, regenerated and given an independent existence by having been named, her first act upon recovery is to materialize, which burns him out as his soul is used to catalyze a new angel Can you just start co-authoring Dresden Files? I want more of what you just said there.
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veekie posted:Or, regenerated and given an independent existence by having been named, her first act upon recovery is to materialize, which burns him out as his soul is used to catalyze a new angel poo poo, he does have the power of soulfire. 
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Remember back in Ghost Story how Harry is visited by 3 creatures in the graveyard? Lea is serving as the proxy for Mab, Demonreach is there under a disguise, and finally we get a creature posing as the little girl Inaz. She's polite, calls Harry a monster, and after she leaves Demonreach pops in to say her soul is made of twisted lines. There's no doubt in my mind that little girl was the parasite. Add to this Butcher apparently said in an interview that Lash/Lasciel appeared in Ghost Story by a different name, and the pieces fit together The parasite is also perfectly setting up for the next book. It looks like we're embracing the Greek theme, what with the plan to raid Hades. The Parasite will "burst" out of Harry's head to make a new entity Athena style
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keiran_helcyan posted:Rereading the series, something in Grave Peril already caught my eye - when Michael is trying to bargain with Lea to get Amoracchius back, Lea's first offer was the sword in exchange for his eldest daughter. According to Butcher, that was a generic "for your first born" fairy offer that he later decided to run with when he got the green light for more books
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In the first few chapters of Skin Game that Butcher has put out does Mab ever directly say that the parasite is what will kill Harry without help? Or does she mention the parasite and then mention that he'll be dead in three days with the false implication that the parasite will kill him?
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Fried Chicken posted:According to Butcher, that was a generic "for your first born" fairy offer that he later decided to run with when he got the green light for more books Grave Peril had a lot of stuff like that. Plenty of exploitable hooks that you can post-hoc read extra meaning into.
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