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EvilHawk posted:I don't think that Theo aged 8 really wrote that somehow He is a naughty man for having a wee next to that lady, I know you ain't sposed to have your willy out cos I got shouted at once for having it out in P.E. Can I have a shirt now?
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Its a PREMIER LEAGUE SATURDAY. 1. We have this wonderful new system that's 99.9999999999999% certain when a goal is scored and you want to overrule it. Accept its decision unless you want to be reffing sunday league for the next fifty years (or are really, really sure). 2. Punch the striker in the face, red card for unsporting behaviour/bringing the game into disrepute. 3. This has been done before, right? Second yellow -> red, penalty, new keeper. Though Hackett is probably going to say IDFK inside the box.
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Sep 14, 2013 12:32
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1. Trust in your new robot overlord. 2. Caution and a yellow for unsporting behaviour. 3. Indirect free kick to the opposition.
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Sep 14, 2013 12:51
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vuohiliitto posted:1. Trust in your new robot overlord. This, plus change the penalty to an indirect free kick to the defense. You can change your mind on a decision at any point before the ball is back in play.
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Sep 14, 2013 13:00
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1. overrule the robot 2. edit: actually no, peno is given so show him a yellow and get on with it. pretty sure the ref can't change his mind unless another official tells him he's made the wrong decision. (I'm usually wrong) 3. offski, ifk stickyfngrdboy fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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Sep 14, 2013 23:24
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1. Trust the system 2. Continue with the penalty but mention it in your match report 3. Second yellow, red card. Indirect free kick
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Sep 15, 2013 01:48
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1. You're the ref, give the goal if you've seen the ball cross the line. 2. Try to ascertain that the player made what is colloquially known as joke. 3. No problem there, the keeper just did what he's supposed to (he is allowed to save terrible backpasses like those with his hands)
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Sep 15, 2013 10:52
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1. There are only two possible outcomes if you overrule the robot: 99.99% you just hosed yourself out of a career, 0.01% you're right and the hero of the day, which everyone will forget the next time you gently caress up. Don't overrule the robot. 2. Ball's not in play yet, so give him a yellow for diving, a second yellow (thus red) for being a cheeky bastard about it, IFK to the defense. 3. It was a deliberate back pass, so second yellow (thus red) to the keeper, IFK to the attacking team.
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Sep 15, 2013 10:59
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1.) Overrule Hawk-Eye, YOU ARE THE REF 2.) It's part of the game, he could have still been fouled and is loving with you. Play on and hope he misses. 3.) A pass-back to a keeper is IDFK but not yellow for deliberate handling, mentioned directly in the FIFA laws. Also, saving a mistake that could have been an own goal is not a Goal Scoring Opportunity for an attacker, so no red. Just an IDFK inside the box. Bio-Hazard fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 16, 2013 |
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Sep 16, 2013 04:21
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Keith Hackett posted:1) Accept the decision: it's not a goal. Hawk-Eye has been through some incredibly stringent testing, and the system wouldn't have been given the go-ahead by the Premier League if it wasn't 100% foolproof. The hardware, using data from seven cameras around each goal, sends a signal to the referee, without fail, only when the ball crosses the goalline, either in the air or on the ground. As in other sports, Hawk-Eye's decision is final and referees need to accept it, even when they have their doubts. Jonathan Clarke wins the shirt.
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Sep 16, 2013 13:09
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Why wouldn't you change your decision based on what he, the offender, says?
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Sep 16, 2013 13:22
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I think the idea is that you should always trust your own instincts because players are lying shits. Similar to how after every single throw-in both players will throw their hands in the air to try and convince the refs it was off the other player, and every single penalty gets a crowd of players protesting around the ref. It never changes his mind. Imagine if the player is just having a joke and loving with you, maybe to make you doubt your decisions later in the game, and you send him off and rescind the penalty. Then the game finishes and you see a TV replay that shows he was actually fouled and didn't dive. He's an idiot, yeah, but you're a bigger idiot for overruling your own judgment based on something that no one else heard and no TV cameras picked up. Every ref has been fooled by a dive at some point. Not every ref has literally taken back their own decision (a game-changing decision at that) because a player says something stupid.
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Sep 16, 2013 13:26
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The difference between all your examples and the one in YATR is that when someone says their opponent did something it's obvious that you ignore whatever they say forever. If someone says that THEY did something and got away with it then perhaps they actually did it. I can't even imagine a situation where a player legitimately tripped then saying "can't believe you bought that dive" to the ref. If they did, they and their team deserve whatever comes their way including losing a pen.
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Sep 16, 2013 13:34
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There have been instances of Robbie Fowler and maybe Arshavin going down without contact, a penalty being given and them flat out telling the ref that it wasn't a foul and it shouldn't be given. The ref has to stand by his decision though. e:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUrcX6kpkU0
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Sep 16, 2013 15:56
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This Mark Halsey autobiography sounds incredibly tasty, and is already serving up some gems...I'm really looking forward to a Select Group member's "gently caress it, I'm just going to tell it like it is" book, as I've got no doubt at all that it's just an absolute circus top to bottom. I took the plunge and dropped a pound to get all the content I can before I cancel this lovely Sun+ thing. These articles are excellent though, and I actually expect some fallout from them. When this book comes out, I'll do a cover to cover right away. ADDED TIME: Surviving cancer, death threats and the Premier League, by Mark Halsey with Ian Ridley (Also seems to be called "The Referee: Surviving Cancer......." Only link I can find so far is an Amazon coming soon page that looks incomplete. The most recent article in the Sun? quote:"Why do people want us to die?" If anybody knows when and where to get this book, please do share.
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Sep 17, 2013 07:18
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I see the hardback version of the book at http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Referee-Mark-Halsey/9780755364381 (this place is a subsidiary of amazon.co.uk and do free worldwide delivery) but it says that it isn't out until 1 November. They also usually do 10% off promotions at times so if one comes up I'll send a link across.
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Sep 17, 2013 08:35
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For (2), absolutely never change your mind on the penalty just because of what the player says. Gamesmanship like this happens all the time, and players will say it just to wind up their opponents too. I completely disagree with the caution in this instance though. I'd take it as a joke and laugh. You're just making yourself look busy as a referee by getting a card out for that. (Full disclose: I'm a referee at semi-pro level in the UK).
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Mewcenary posted:For (2), absolutely never change your mind on the penalty just because of what the player says. Gamesmanship like this happens all the time, and players will say it just to wind up their opponents too. I completely disagree with the caution in this instance though. I'd take it as a joke and laugh. You're just making yourself look busy as a referee by getting a card out for that. Yeah, even here in our lovely USSF training classes they tell you that you cannot, ever, EVER, make a call and then change your mind (penalty, goal/no goal, card, etc.). The angry old guy that was my instructor used the term "eating humble pie" when describing what you do when you've made a laughably bad call and realize your mistake after you've pointed to the spot and lined up the PK. As an aside, I'm on the fence right now about going back out for another year of bumblebee man. My record, unfortunately, is poo poo...the assignor and I both were put on recorded disciplinary action after the fight game, so I'd likely be starting with AR assignments for teenagers. My marks on the assessments I've had were good, but I feel like that game will haunt my ref career for the indefinite future...aka "until I can get the hell out of Phoenix." U15 AR assignments for the love of the game and $20/hr to keep myself fit.....or looking into a coaching license and volunteering my time for some inner city kids.......I'm not ready to just call it quite yet. In all seriousness, part of me feels like this book that may come out soon and reveal how it really is (or how it is through the eyes of a disgrunted, angry ex-ref who was harassed out of the position). Seeing the crazy bullshit that happens even in the Select Group could motivate me to keep at it. Now that I think of it - have any of you all been put on some type of probation or poo poo list (deserved or not) and gotten past it and made it ancient history? If so, how long did it take before things were "normal" again?
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Sep 18, 2013 03:24
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AVBrafaDiMatteo posted:Yeah, even here in our lovely USSF training classes they tell you that you cannot, ever, EVER, make a call and then change your mind (penalty, goal/no goal, card, etc.). The angry old guy that was my instructor used the term "eating humble pie" when describing what you do when you've made a laughably bad call and realize your mistake after you've pointed to the spot and lined up the PK. I'd disagree with this advice. If you make a wrong call _and you know it yourself_ then you absolutely should change your mind prior to the restart of play. It's about credibility and holding up your hands to the mistake. Proceeding out of spite is not a good idea: YOU know you were wrong, and the players will know it as well. That said, I'm struggling to think of situations when this obviously might apply.
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Sep 18, 2013 15:16
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Mewcenary posted:I'd disagree with this advice. If you make a wrong call _and you know it yourself_ then you absolutely should change your mind prior to the restart of play. It's about credibility and holding up your hands to the mistake. Proceeding out of spite is not a good idea: YOU know you were wrong, and the players will know it as well. The situation I can think of would be something like 'you see a foul from a distance and call it as a dive, but as you're approaching the site you see that the diving player is actually bleeding from the challenge, and it very obviously must have been a bad challenge instead'.
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Sep 18, 2013 17:22
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Law 5 posted:The referee may only change a decision on realising that it is incorrect or, at his discretion, on the advice of an assistant referee or the fourth official, provided that he has not restarted play or terminated the match. If the referee makes a call and then thinks it's wrong, he can change it. Also the Assistants may/may not be involved in that. Typically, that I can think of anyway, it's something like just after half time and ball goes out for white throw, you think white throw, but you point blue throw because that would have been white throw before the break. Whoops. Just go ahead and change direction, have a little laugh with the player by you, and let the game go on. Don't get an obviously wrong call that you know is wrong wrong twice by refusing to change it**. In a more extreme situation, if you show a guy yellow then red for 2C, and then realize "Nope. That was his twin brother that got the first one" you dang well better reverse that. Happened to a referee at a Euro or WC recently didn't it? If it wasn't that, I know that one guy to take back a red card. If a FIFA referee can mess it up and then change his mind, so can we. Someone brought up Fowler's incident, but I know I've also seen a video of an incident where the referee, after being told by the player that he slipped and fell (had been raining IIRC), changed the penalty to...well, I don't remember. I want to say he did IFK coming out, but part of me thinks "Wouldn't it have been a drop ball for inadvertant whistle?" I'll have to go find the video after work. (** I'll add in the cavaet that if you are the only person in the world who realizes you made the wrong call but everyone is ready to move on with the call you did make, especially at younger age levels, consider just moving on with the game. That statement is more for getting the "Moment of Truth" wrong) AVBrafaDiMatteo posted:]As an aside, I'm on the fence right now about going back out for another year of bumblebee man. My record, unfortunately, is poo poo...the assignor and I both were put on recorded disciplinary action after the fight game, so I'd likely be starting with AR assignments for teenagers. My marks on the assessments I've had were good, but I feel like that game will haunt my ref career for the indefinite future...aka "until I can get the hell out of Phoenix." I'd encourage you to come back out for another year though. It sounds like you aren't tired of the job itself but the politics surrounding it. That can get rough but it's not the end all/be all. Regimes change, time moves on, people forget. Doing U15 ARs is not the end of the world. There are a lot of referees who do those games for years because there's not much of an adult game to move up to but there are tons of youth games and so they vet guys in the upper teenage years longer. I'm one of those. Arkansas is not what you'd call a hotbed of soccer. We have three nationals now and a good number of states to take up the majority of the adult games. Younger guys are getting used more and more now, which will be good for the program, but until recently it was a hard ask to break into it. Those youth games help you build the base for everything else. Yes, once you start getting into adult games and semi-pro, etc etc, it's a completely different beast, but the toolbox translates well. Don't be so fast to climb the ladder that you forget to stop and enjoy the level you are at now. Plus the federation needs you. You sound like you actually care about what you are doing and that it's not a spending money for high school/beer money for adults job for you. Need as many folks with that attitude as we can get for as long as we can get them. Even if you end up transitioning out of it, that attitude could be good as a mentor for a local club. Maybe you decide to hang it up, but look into taking an assignor course/being a volunteer for a club nearby to help produce new referees who will treat the game with the respect it deserves.
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Sep 18, 2013 17:54
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/19/jose-mourinho-chelsea 1. You didn't see him take his shirt off, so tell him to put it back on and get back to his half. Sound snippy. 2. At the very least, if a team refuses to play, you have to abandon anyway. Red card to the manager, abandon, let the league sort it out. 3. Yellow to the defender, PK. Don't think you can claim the keeper fouled the striker. Don't think you can call it DOGSO on the defender, since the striker was falling down anyway. Maybe something dumb like an indirect free kick.
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Sep 22, 2013 19:34
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Here's the image for lazy people:
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Sep 22, 2013 19:44
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1. Tell striker to put his shirt back on, leave it at that. Warn team that stripping their team mates is not acceptable. 2. Red card to manager and abandon game. 3. Yellow to defender, penalty kick.
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Sep 22, 2013 19:51
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Vagabundo posted:3. Yellow to defender, penalty kick. DOGSO -> red.
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Sep 22, 2013 20:02
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Edmund Honda posted:DOGSO -> red. The striker was tripping over the keeper's legs anyway.
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Sep 22, 2013 20:46
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Tunga posted:Here's the image for lazy people: 1. Warn the team. Check out his abs. Don't do anything else. 2. Uh, can you let the substituting team pick a new sub? If so, do that and make a note in your match report. If not, send the manager to the stands and abandon the game. 3. Red to whoever you think was most culpable, yellow to the other one. Penalty.
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Sep 22, 2013 21:02
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blue footed boobie posted:1. Warn the team. Check out his abs. Don't do anything else. 2. it says 'last remaining' sub so I assume they mean the last player they've got, rather than 3rd sub. Regardless, send the manager off and put it in your match report. Play on! 1. & 3. send everyone off
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Sep 22, 2013 22:30
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1. Warn team, talk to captain, hope it's somebody sexy and European. 2. I have a weird feeling this won't be the answer Hackett uses, but I'd say red card manager and terminate match (isn't there a difference between terminating a match and abandoning a match?), file report while running to your car. 3. Wording seems to make it clear that the defender was the only one blatantly going for the foul, so I'd say red for DOGSO, PK. Don't like ambiguous description of the scenario, but what else is new.
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Sep 23, 2013 00:06
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1) Hope to gently caress your linesman saw who took it off. If not you can't do poo poo since you aren't certain. Yellow card the entire opposition team who are probably swarming you at this point. 2) Send the manager off. Speak to the other manager, explain that you are continuing the game but you will be noting the incident in your match report (any competent league will award his team a 3-0 win) 3) Red card for the defender for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity, since his foul seems more obvious than the goalkeeper's.
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Sep 23, 2013 03:07
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1. Make sure everyone sees you give him a talking to, let it go, write it in the report. 2. Send manager off, try to talk some sense onto the other coach, maybe through the captains. Abandon game if he refuses to play further, write it in the report. 3. The attacker doesn't have a Goal Scoring Opportunity, since he's falling. But it's still a foul and reckless challenge. Yellow for the defender, and a PK.
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Sep 23, 2013 05:56
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Hackett sez:quote:1) You need to base your decisions on what you or your colleagues have observed – and in this case you did not see the player himself remove his shirt. So call him and his captain together, and inform them both, via a public rebuke, that the behaviour is unacceptable. Make it clear that if there is a repeat, whoever scored the goal will be cautioned. Restart with a kick-off.
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Sep 23, 2013 08:33
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Gonna go ahead and claim victory this week.
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Sep 24, 2013 03:45
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What happened to the ref?
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Dec 2, 2013 18:56
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Seltzer posted:What happened to the ref? A man can only throw so many punches.
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Dec 12, 2013 04:15
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I don't know what to believe, either the OP gave up on the thread or the paper gave up on finding new ways for players to assault each other in an ambiguous manners.
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Dec 12, 2013 04:22
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The paper didn't give up: http://www.theguardian.com/football/series/you-are-the-ref
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Dec 12, 2013 04:40
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And here's the latest: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/12/you-are-the-ref-paul-trevillion 1) Seems pretty obviously an outside agent. Disallow the goal, drop ball. 2) Didn't see it? Can't give a red. Can't use a replay to influence the decision anyway. Stick with the foul call. 3) No goal. Yellow to the striker. Claim ignorance.
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Dec 13, 2013 09:04
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CPColin posted:And here's the latest: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/12/you-are-the-ref-paul-trevillion I'm curious to how you get yellow to the striker on #3.
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 1. No goal. Outside interference. Wait for the smoke to clear and then enjoy the hilarity of restarting with a drop ball in the 6 yard box. 2. Ignore the physio and make the decision based on your own judgement. If the team's staff and players don't calm down, start yellowing players and dismissing staff members until they get the message. 3. Not sure? Then it's no goal. Seems to indicate that you ARE sure about it hitting the striker's hand, so give that. I think you technically should yellow the striker here but I wouldn't, no need to add to what will already be a massive uproar.
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