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found asimov's caves of steel at a used book dump the other day. so far its p bad
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:also, as ridiculous as sending half the bridge crew on away missions is, and as popular as DS9 is among the kids who are too cool for school, it's even more absurd that when they need to send the Defiant on missions they wind up just taking the entire space station command staff to drive the ship yeah that was always dumb. atleast later on when sisko was running the war he got stuck behind a desk
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Sep 18, 2013 17:13
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im the crew members who wish they'd stayed back on the station during Meridian.
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Sep 18, 2013 17:14
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yeah like 90% of trek that doesn't make sense is because it makes for cheaper tv transporter exists because showing shuttles took too much time and special effects budget bridge crew goes on super-dangerous away missions because i guess they paid shatner by episode instead of by the minute? also because they just didn't have that much rew just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, i should really just relax"
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Sep 18, 2013 17:14
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i agree with these posts yeah its p much ET plus Goonies, its p fun
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Sep 18, 2013 17:16
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in tng don't they explicitly say that starfleet made a new regulation forbidding the captain from going on away mission specifically because kirk would constantly do it and get in trouble
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Sep 18, 2013 17:16
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yes in the very first episode and then they ignore it for the rest of the series
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Sep 18, 2013 17:17
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the thing with away missions is that starfleet is not supposed to be a military organization; they're a peaceful scientific one (you know, in theory, at least), so high-ranking officers beaming down to the surface of the planet is less like a general deciding to take a stroll through hostile territory and more like a ship's captain during the age of exploration going ashore with the ship naturalist to look at insects they just should have pushed the "yeah, we're supposed to be doing science, and we really really dislike being put into military situations" thing way more but welp gotta have conflict in order to get people to watch your show so que sera sera
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Sep 18, 2013 17:20
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if its a first contact situation sending picard makes all the sense in the world cause that's why hes there. otherwise send any of the hundred expendables from science and medical.
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Sep 18, 2013 17:21
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they were pretty good about not sending picard on away missions, like even in the later seasons when he got his willis itch they would have riker be uncomfortable with it of course the sisko did whatever the gently caress he wanted but he wasn't a fed celebrity until later seasons so maybe they didn't gaf
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Sep 18, 2013 17:21
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Cocoa Crispies posted:bridge crew goes on super-dangerous away missions because i guess they paid shatner by episode instead of by the minute? that's pretty standard really. actually i think if your name appears in the credits *at all*, guild rules state you have to get paid no matter how much or how little you appear.
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Sep 18, 2013 17:24
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sup barclay's transporter worm puppet
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Sep 18, 2013 17:31
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what if the tng crew was in prometheus? i bet riker would find the one engineer with boobs
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Sep 18, 2013 18:02
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didn't robert picardo have something in his contract that stipulated he had to appear in every voyager episode?
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Sep 18, 2013 18:05
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Carthag posted:found asimov's caves of steel at a used book dump the other day. so far its p bad foundation trilogy was awful. whoever was asking about rajaniemi, i'm not sure where the series is going but it's okay, decently written but too much sperging over equipment and tech stuff. theres even a lan party in one chapter
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Sep 18, 2013 18:08
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foundation was good and there was atleast one other good book in the series.
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Sep 18, 2013 18:23
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Shaggar posted:foundation was good and there was atleast one other good book in the series. yeah shaggar was right, second foundation was p good iirc but what makes them great is that the books were written so far apart that you can see asimov go 'oh computers are a thing i should probably include them!' this also happens in dune but instead of including them herbert goes 'oh well they weren't needed because we went to war with the machines'
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Sep 18, 2013 19:16
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hubris.height posted:yeah shaggar was right, second foundation was p good iirc "i hope my son doesn't write terrible prequel novels to my books about this"
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Sep 18, 2013 19:19
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Stymie posted:didn't robert picardo have something in his contract that stipulated he had to appear in every voyager episode? not at first, i dont think they knew how popular he was going to be full disclosure i genuinely enjoy the doctor from voyager and enjoy episodes that prominently feature him
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Sep 18, 2013 19:24
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foundation was originally a stand-alone book, basically set up as a bunch of connected short stories. Asimov decided to do the sequels after the first book became popular, but the story wasn't originally designed for it. that's why the style changes completely between the first two books and slowly goes off the rails as the series progresses.hubris.height posted:...this also happens in dune but instead of including them herbert goes 'oh well they weren't needed because we went to war with the machines' that's probably better than what happens when he does decide to write about them, see destination: void and its sequel. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Sep 18, 2013 19:58
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foundation (the first 3 books anyway) was originally originally a set of short stories published serially in a magazine, but they became longer and more grandiose as asimov evolved the concept and as a writer
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Sep 18, 2013 20:04
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:not at first, i dont think they knew how popular he was going to be That's because Picardo owns and even though his character on SG Atlantis was a pencil pushing bureaucrat he still made you like him.
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Sep 18, 2013 20:20
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haveblue posted:foundation (the first 3 books anyway) was originally originally a set of short stories published serially in a magazine, but they became longer and more grandiose as asimov evolved the concept and as a writer lots of early sf did this, it was common well into the 60s. still happens occassionally. Shaggar posted:foundation was good and there was atleast one other good book in the series. why? (seriously). I'm only talking about the original trilogy here, not read the others, but i remember psychohistory being a cool idea and some of the logic-puzzle early stories were good of their type. but the characters were bland as gently caress and the world was just like the 50s, i even remember the girl sulking in her room or something. would seriously only recommend to sf nerds for historical importance. was there something cool involving the mule? can't remember that book at all.
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Sep 18, 2013 20:31
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House Louse posted:lots of early sf did this, it was common well into the 60s. still happens occassionally. V.5 (just outside the Vesuvius gate); 6641: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place
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Sep 18, 2013 21:03
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House Louse posted:lots of early sf did this, it was common well into the 60s. still happens occassionally. it doesn't magically become bad because it's a product of its time. paper thin characterization is still the norm in scifi. everything written today is 2005 forever just like asimov's 1940s novels were 1940 forever. that's just the way this poo poo works is the wizard of oz terrible because of its circa-1939 special effects
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Sep 18, 2013 21:09
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writing a novel where everything was different and speculative would be really boring anyway it would be hard to relate to what was going on
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Sep 18, 2013 21:10
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as an example of your point, i feel like neuromancer really did this 'different and speculative' thing really well because everything but the drugs was put into that context, but its also a somewhat confusing read at first. p sure gibson was on meth when he wrote the first half.
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Sep 18, 2013 21:15
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:everything written today is 2005 forever just like asimov's 1940s novels were 1940 forever. that's just the way this poo poo works counterpoint: Childhood's End. This book has aged the best out of any scifi book I've ever read. gonadic io fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Sep 18, 2013 21:28
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asimov's characterisation and futurology/worldbuilding/w/e are terrible by the standard of sf tho, even 50s sf. even if an sf world isn't totally logical extrapolation it can still be interesting and make comments on real life, eg forever war, snow crash wizard of oz film is bad because of the script, not fx hubris.height posted:V.5 (just outside the Vesuvius gate); 6641: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place idgi
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Sep 18, 2013 21:30
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House Louse posted:lots of early sf did this, it was common well into the 60s. still happens occassionally. I've always liked asamov's style. the characters aren't really important in most of his stuff, its all about the ideas and the universe and they're just the vehicle for the reader's exploration. plus in foundation he burns through piles of them cause he jumps around in time so the characters are even less important. i guess i could understand how someone might not like that, but on the other hand i hate character studies in universes that make no sense (BSG).
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Sep 18, 2013 23:37
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infernal machines posted:foundation was originally a stand-alone book, basically set up as a bunch of connected short stories. Asimov decided to do the sequels after the first book became popular, but the story wasn't originally designed for it. that's why the style changes completely between the first two books and slowly goes off the rails as the series progresses. destination void was hard to read
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Sep 18, 2013 23:53
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hubris.height posted:as an example of your point, i feel like neuromancer really did this 'different and speculative' thing really well because everything but the drugs was put into that context, but its also a somewhat confusing read at first. p sure gibson was on meth when he wrote the first half. necromancer was 1987 forever payphones are pivotal to the plot everyone wears members only jackets
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neuromancer has the us balkanisd and the soviet union still aroundShaggar posted:I've always liked asamov's style. the characters aren't really important in most of his stuff, its all about the ideas and the universe and they're just the vehicle for the reader's exploration. plus in foundation he burns through piles of them cause he jumps around in time so the characters are even less important. i don't remember foundation really doing this. it used psychohistory/the seldon plan as a backdrop rather than really digging into it. the mule was an obstacle to the seldon plan but he could just have been an obstacle anyway; there weren't plots about spies in 2nd foundation trying to screw the plan up so some other guys could rule the galactic empire instead. this is all iirc, it's been a while since i read them.
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Sep 19, 2013 00:25
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House Louse posted:neuromancer has the us balkanisd and the soviet union still around operation screaming fist owned bones
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Sep 19, 2013 00:26
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stand on zanzibar aged pretty well for an older sci-fi novel
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Sep 19, 2013 00:32
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House Louse posted:foundation trilogy was awful.
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Sep 19, 2013 01:24
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:transporter-pooping 
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Sep 19, 2013 01:25
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lol transporters would be so fuckin good just to be abke to pos all the time cause you could trsnaport food and drink into your mouth and piss and poo poo out very ftw
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Sep 19, 2013 01:31
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but what if your finger slipped and you beamed your guts into outer space during a pie eating contest?
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Gus Hobbleton posted:but what if your finger slipped and you beamed your guts into outer space during a pie eating contest? would the pies remain inside of you? that would work before dr crusher could heal you with yoga
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