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I thought the events of The Killing Joke did happen and she was paralysed became Oracle and then was cured and became Batgirl. Also, maybe I missed it but where is Hal Jordan right now? I haven't seen him I know in the first couple of issues Superman was just like "Yeah you're kind of a chump" and super speed takes his ring off his hand.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:I really need to this, so much effort for a tie in for a mediocre fighting game. I'm guessing the super-pill is the game's explanation for why Batman can beat Superman in a fair fight? Exactly. Which was nice because "How can _____ fight _____?" is something the internet wouldn't shut up about when the game was announced. It was a better thought out plot device than THE RAGE in MK vs. DCU. quote:Also didn't they fix Barbara's spine in the reboot? Something about South African surgery? Yeah. Rather than simply retcon it away, they kept it in there just so she could be scared of guns and stuff. Hollis posted:Also, maybe I missed it but where is Hal Jordan right now? I haven't seen him I know in the first couple of issues Superman was just like "Yeah you're kind of a chump" and super speed takes his ring off his hand. Hal has gotten very little panel time, but he's on Superman's side and has helped him punk Atlantis and rescue Luthor that one time. I'm sure he'll be a focal point in Year Two, since they've yet to do anything about him discarding the Green Lantern ring and joining the Sinestro Corps.
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1001 Emerald Nights was interesting. I loved the way it looked, but the writing was middling (sometimes good, sometimes trying too hard to fit Green Lantern type dialogue into the setting). The end got silly, but it was fun enough.
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Gavok posted:Yeah. Rather than simply retcon it away, they kept it in there just so she could be scared of guns and stuff. Ah yes, DC needed to have a stupid reason for Barbara to fear them because as we all know, most people are fearless fools when a gun is pointed at them. And being an associate of Batman she would have no distaste for guns otherwise. Truly the New DCU is the most well thought out idea since someone suggested a elseworld where the entire premise is Britain sucks and only America deserves heroes. catlord posted:1001 Emerald Nights was interesting. I loved the way it looked, but the writing was middling (sometimes good, sometimes trying too hard to fit Green Lantern type dialogue into the setting). The end got silly, but it was fun enough. Okay let me guess... Sinestro is about to be executed and he's stalling the Guardians by telling them stories!
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I haven't played the game, I watched the ending of it and some of the cutscenes, but was like "Meh" although the ending was appropriate. I'm more interested in what led up to that point. So I never knew that stuff about Gordon. I'll go ahead and say that Batman : Red Rain is a really good horror book with I think because it's an art style I enjoy. Super great art. It's basically Batman becomes a vampire. What were those Elseworlds where it was just normal everyday people embodying Superman. I can't recall it.
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Sep 20, 2013 06:21
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Hollis posted:What were those Elseworlds where it was just normal everyday people embodying Superman. I can't recall it. That Realworlds thing they did? I think they had a whole line of them, or at least like, five.
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Sep 20, 2013 07:48
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I wrote a lengthy look back at Year One of the Injustice comic for Den of Geek US. Basically what worked and what didn't. Also a panel that shows why Alfred beating down Superman is the best payoff.
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Sep 20, 2013 17:35
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Hollis posted:I haven't played the game, I watched the ending of it and some of the cutscenes, but was like "Meh" although the ending was appropriate. I'm more interested in what led up to that point. So I never knew that stuff about Gordon. Red Rain was great and really showed off Kelly Jones artwork. Jones had a Batman run in the 90's (written by Moench) which is one of my favourite Batman runs. His style leads to more expressionist horror style and I remember people not being a big fan of it (why is Batman's cape so big and what's with the extra long pointy ears) but I personally love the style. His artwork for Red Rain really suited the whole "gothicness" of Dracula and Batman and was a great mix. Sadly I can't really remember much of the sequels so I can't say if they were good or not. There was one other Elseworld Jones did with Moench called Joker: The Wild and I have been trying to get my hands on it but sadly it is out of print. I read it a long long long time ago and I think it had something to do with Batman living in an age of fairies and dark magic.
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Sep 20, 2013 18:31
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Technically the name is Batman/Dark Joker: The Wild, which is an astoundingly bad name so it's no wonder you forgot it. I remember it being okay, better than the elseworld where the kids are sucked into JLA Fantasy Land, not as good as Riddle of The Beast. But to be fair, Riddle of The Beast is really, really fun.
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Sep 20, 2013 18:36
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Does anyone remember an Elseworlds where a mentally slow kid who loves Batman dresses up as him to fight his sister's drug dealer boyfriend? It might've been part of that Realworlds thing.
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Gavok posted:I wrote a lengthy look back at Year One of the Injustice comic for Den of Geek US. Basically what worked and what didn't. Also a panel that shows why Alfred beating down Superman is the best payoff. I read the whole article and really enjoyed it but can't understand why you didn't put that one image of Alfred headbutting Superman as the single reason to read the whole series. Great article!! I didn't know that about the art at all. It really is completely different.
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picosecond posted:Does anyone remember an Elseworlds where a mentally slow kid who loves Batman dresses up as him to fight his sister's drug dealer boyfriend? It might've been part of that Realworlds thing. I liked the Superman Realworlds issue which was basically the life story of a guy who unwillingly gets a full sized S shield across his chest.
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Sep 20, 2013 23:49
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Hollis posted:I read the whole article and really enjoyed it but can't understand why you didn't put that one image of Alfred headbutting Superman as the single reason to read the whole series. Thanks! The headbutting sequence was too spoilery for me to mention.
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Sep 21, 2013 03:23
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To be fair the whole series is a prequel I mean yeah it's a super awesome. Surprisingly there aren't many reviews about Injustic. It's so good, I'm sure excited about this Annual that's coming out. When is that suppose to drop? Out of all the series I was most surprised with that one surprised me the most. I really hope they change it to a 52 week event. DC needs a good 52 week event again. I really wish there were more released weekly digitally books. Is the REalworlds DC thing any good? I was thinking of picking it up. Also, do crossovers count as Elseworlds, cause there I believe was a unbelievably good one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman/Hellboy/Starman Batman Hellboy Starman, written by James Robinson and art by Mike Mignola. gently caress yes. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Sep 21, 2013 |
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Sep 21, 2013 07:41
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November, I think?
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I believe most crossovers printed after the development of the Elseworlds brand were so tagged on DC's side, especially the high-concept ones like WWII-era Batman/Captain America, 1938 first-appearance Superman/War of the Worlds, and Golden Age Superman vs. original gray night-transforming Hulk. E: well, higher concept than your average crossover, heh. Also now that I think about it, I believe the classic versions Hulk/Superman was printed by Marvel. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Sep 21, 2013 |
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So I've been reading Batman/Superman Generations and I've noticed something weird. In stories set in the early days of Superman's career, if the thirties and forties, he can't fly. This is obviously Byrne paying homage to Golden Age Superman. But Superboy in the 1920's can fly.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:So I've been reading Batman/Superman Generations and I've noticed something weird. In stories set in the early days of Superman's career, if the thirties and forties, he can't fly. This is obviously Byrne paying homage to Golden Age Superman. But Superboy in the 1920's can fly. It's because the first Superboy stories weren't published until after Superman started flying in the comics. Those stories ignored continuity and gave Superboy the same powers that Superman had in 1944, so Byrne is paying tribute to them by deliberately contradicting his own continuity in the same way.
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Servoret posted:It's because the first Superboy stories weren't published until after Superman started flying in the comics. Those stories ignored continuity and gave Superboy the same powers that Superman had in 1944, so Byrne is paying tribute to them by deliberately contradicting his own continuity in the same way. They also changed it later on, when they started using the Multiverse in the 60s, so that the Golden Age/Earth-Two Superman was never Superboy. All of the Superboy stuff was Silver Age/Earth-One Superman, who could always fly.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Anyone know of any Shazam elseworlds? Well... Miracleman?
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The Captain Planet style Shazam from Flashpoint was a neat idea I wouldn't have minded seeing more of
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qntm posted:Well... Everyone should talk about Miracleman. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3570786 Also anyone else think there's enough interest in Injustice and enough content for it's own thread? Gavok you'd be pretty good for the OP. Captain Planet style Shazam was an interesting concept and a reference to the origins of Captain Marvel. The original idea was that Captain Thunder (the original name of Captain Marvel) would be a leader of your standard one super power per member team. But then they decided one person with all those powers was cooler and would attract the Superman crowd. Mind Loving Owl fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Sep 21, 2013 |
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Dacap posted:The Captain Planet style Shazam from Flashpoint was a neat idea I wouldn't have minded seeing more of I get the feeling we'll see some sort of combo-Shazam in with the new version at some point.
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Rhyno posted:I get the feeling we'll see some sort of combo-Shazam in with the new version at some point. They all combine into one big megazord?
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Soonmot posted:They all combine into one big megazord? Come to think of it, Billy Batson technically is a teenager with "attitude."
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Also anyone else think there's enough interest in Injustice and enough content for it's own thread? Gavok you'd be pretty good for the OP. Considering the comic just "ended", probably not.
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Sep 22, 2013 04:35
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In January, maybe.
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You know what's a What If I've always wanted to read? What If Namor Was Raised on Land. Is what any good?
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Sep 22, 2013 06:45
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How about "What If Namor Was Comics' Joke Aquatic Character Instead of Aquaman Because Seriously, Those Goddamn Tiny Ankle Wings Are loving Absurd, Especially In Animated Form!"
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McSpanky posted:How about "What If Namor Was Comics' Joke Aquatic Character Instead of Aquaman Because Seriously, Those Goddamn Tiny Ankle Wings Are loving Absurd, Especially In Animated Form!" That's a pretty unrealistic premise.
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Aquaman I've always wondered why he's the joke character. Guy can take superman in a fight, rules a nation of beings just as strong as him, his telepathy can work on humans, and he controls loving sharks.
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Aquaman I've always wondered why he's the joke character. Guy can take superman in a fight, rules a nation of beings just as strong as him, his telepathy can work on humans, and he controls loving sharks. It's Superfriends, it was all Superfriends.
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McSpanky posted:It's Superfriends, it was all Superfriends. Well, that and the profound incompetence and insanity displayed by all silver age DC heroes floating around as incriminating evidence.
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I think it boils down to competence. Aquaman does suffer a bit from having powers that are perceived as being weak. But what holds him back is a lot of the time (particularly in the silver age) he wasn't presented as being particularly useful. I think if you want to make a character with "weak" powers interesting, you just make them really, really good at the things they can do. I had this idea for a kind of Joke Elseworlds once which was Aquaman as a One Man JLA. The kind of central conceit of the story was Aquaman was the one hyper competent hero in a world full of incompetent guys. The humour would come from playing Aquaman as straight as possible, while everyone else were jokes. Like the opening of the story would have had Aquaman saving the world from Doomsday. And I'd do it, not by having Aquaman outmuscle him. But show Aquaman decked out in a ton of hyper-tech having prepared for the battle. He'd figure out that Doomsday can evolve counters to whatever powers you use against him, so he'd try and turn that against him. He'd be wearing an Atlantian battle suit, use a sonic blunderbuss and fight a running battle, luring Doomsday down to the Marianas Trench. All the while Aquaman would be using Posidion's trident to consistently increase the pressure on Doomsday until he's evolved an amazing defence against crushing external pressure and cold. Then he'd beat him by teleporting him suddenly into space, which has the complete opposite problem of no external pressure. The massive change of pressure would cause Doomsday to explode and all the pieces be burnt up by the Sun. I'd then contrast all this by scenes where Aquaman is putting together a JLA to help save the world from a new threat, and have Aquaman run into Wonder Woman who he thinks is an amazing combatant when he sees her block/deflect bullets with her bracelets. But is dismayed when he talks to her and finds out she's like a Valley girl and the block/deflect was just a fluke move on her part when she panicked. Any way the point I'm trying to make is, the reason why Namor is beloved (aside from his arrogant personality) is whenever he shows up to do something. He does it. And he does it competently. Namor a lot of the time is written with a limited power set, but uses it well. And people respect that. It's the same reason why Captain Cold is so beloved by comic fans. The guy is just a It's the same principle, really.
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Another issue is that a lot of writers can't take advantage of his environment. The ocean is an amazingly alien place with all sorts of interesting environs and creatures, and underwater physics can be mined for neat plot ideas. And we know less about it than the surface of the moon. But a lot of writers treat it like a less varied land.
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McSpanky posted:It's Superfriends, it was all Superfriends. And the over-correction of the Superfriends version. Most revamps of Aquaman have a serious case of the trying too hards which just re-enforces the Superfriends version. Cyclops suffers the same fate from the X-Men cartoon he's stuck in this perceptual state of rebelling and "being bad-rear end" to try to throw off the Proffers X's boring butt monkey image left over from the show. It's the kind of thing you can only really "fix" by ignoring and not acknowledging it ever existed.
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SirDan3k posted:It's the kind of thing you can only really "fix" by ignoring and not acknowledging it ever existed. 
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WickedHate posted:I think I know what you mean. The least believable Elseworld/What If? would be a world where every comic writer in existence didn't decide they'd be the one to finally address the issue of Hank hitting Jan.
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A lot of characters are ruined by writers trying to "fix" them. Aquaman would be way better if they just tried telling good stories instead of going "Naw man Superfriends had no idea what it was all about, Arthur has a hook hand and a beard! And he lives in San Diego but it's underwater now and no the loss of a major U.S city and it's population turning into fish people will have no ramifications!"
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Mind Loving Owl posted:A lot of characters are ruined by writers trying to "fix" them. Aquaman would be way better if they just tried telling good stories instead of going "Naw man Superfriends had no idea what it was all about, Arthur has a hook hand and a beard! And he lives in San Diego but it's underwater now and no the loss of a major U.S city and it's population turning into fish people will have no ramifications!" That's basically why I dropped his New 52 series after the first issue.
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