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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:I'd expect them to have enough responsibility to tell the inquisition to gently caress off every now and then when it asks them to do something incredibly stupid and counterproductive (like loving opening fire on the Great Wolf's ship). The Inquisition, and by proxy the Grey Knights, have a lot to gain by weakening the Space Wolves.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:The Inquisition, and by proxy the Grey Knights, have a lot to gain by weakening the Space Wolves. It seems like the Grey Knights really know very little about what's going on in the galaxy beyond how to fight daemons, and in general they just do what they're told because they dont' know any better.
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Sep 24, 2013 02:17
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I don't think any of the Space Marine chapters are as informed or as powerful, ultimately, as they like to pretend they are.
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Sep 24, 2013 02:25
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Alpha Legion.  Edit: poo poo you said chapters. Ok yeah.
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Sep 24, 2013 02:33
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the alpha legion isn't real, tartarus was an inside job, etc etc
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Demiurge4 posted:Also I really like the Grey Knights. They're very focused on one thing but I feel like some of the more hardcore doctrinal poo poo isn't their fault since it's the Inquisition that has a massive hardon for secrecy. Yeah, and in that same conflict, the great wolf told the inquisitors, "look how uncomfortable you're making your grey knights by how uppity you're being; you're causing friction between the knights and inquisition." Which was totally true.
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Sep 24, 2013 03:21
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I know this is for paper spacemen not plastic spacemen, but this was too perfect for you to not see. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440270a&prodId=prod2160196a $11,500. That is all. I can literally buy a 3D Printer for less.
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Cream_Filling posted:It seems like the Grey Knights really know very little about what's going on in the galaxy beyond how to fight daemons, and in general they just do what they're told because they dont' know any better. More like they don't really give a poo poo. A lot of Space Marines don't care about Imperial politics; they just land on some planet, kill the bad guys, and get out. They don't really desire stability in the galaxy or a spot at the political table; they're just killing tools.
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Has there been anyword on when Yarrick will be available in print? I want another Commissar book but seems this hasn't been released yet and Amazon doesn't have a listing. Also with how much the Inquisition likes to take a dump on certain Marines and Chapters...I'm kinda surprised that The Exorcists and The Black Dragons have not been culled yet. We got a Chapter of guys who invite the warp in and then exorcise it out. Once the door is open there is no going back. And then we have a chapter of wild mutation. A space marine chapter of nothing but Baraka from Mortal Kombat.
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Sep 24, 2013 06:44
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EyeRChris posted:Has there been anyword on when Yarrick will be available in print? I want another Commissar book but seems this hasn't been released yet and Amazon doesn't have a listing. The tolerance of the various weird Space Marine chapters and the whole "mind scrub any non Ordos" varies wildly across the fiction. So, starting the last book of the Inquisition War, it just keeps getting crazier and crazier. A Space Marine who followed the Inquisitor into the webway ends up getting his power armored destroyed, strips down and basically goes "I'M GANGLAND MOTHERFUCKER COME AT ME". It just keeps getting better.
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EyeRChris posted:Also with how much the Inquisition likes to take a dump on certain Marines and Chapters...I'm kinda surprised that The Exorcists and The Black Dragons have not been culled yet. We got a Chapter of guys who invite the warp in and then exorcise it out. Once the door is open there is no going back. And then we have a chapter of wild mutation. A space marine chapter of nothing but Baraka from Mortal Kombat. The Inquisition isn't one unified organisation and I think it just depends on the inquisitor in charge and the sector they're in. Most chapters have their allies and various defence pacts so even a chapter like the Exorcists or the Black Dragons would be hard to get rid of despite their mutations/interactions with demons. AcidRonin posted:I know this is for paper spacemen not plastic spacemen, but this was too perfect for you to not see. It's $AUD 17,500 ($USD 16,450) for Australians.
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EyeRChris posted:Has there been anyword on when Yarrick will be available in print? I want another Commissar book but seems this hasn't been released yet and Amazon doesn't have a listing. The Exorcists are a Grey Knights successor chapter. If a Puritan tried to get rid of them, he'd be looking at a gigantic inter-inquisition war.
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AcidRonin posted:I know this is for paper spacemen not plastic spacemen, but this was too perfect for you to not see. And then purchase about $11K worth of printing material to make the models, as well as taking about 4 hours to construct each. And don't forget the maintainence you have to perform regularly.
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EyeRChris posted:Also with how much the Inquisition likes to take a dump on certain Marines and Chapters...I'm kinda surprised that The Exorcists and The Black Dragons have not been culled yet. We got a Chapter of guys who invite the warp in and then exorcise it out. Once the door is open there is no going back. And then we have a chapter of wild mutation. A space marine chapter of nothing but Baraka from Mortal Kombat. VanSandman posted:The Exorcists are a Grey Knights successor chapter. If a Puritan tried to get rid of them, he'd be looking at a gigantic inter-inquisition war.
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berzerkmonkey posted:And then purchase about $11K worth of printing material to make the models, as well as taking about 4 hours to construct each. And don't forget the maintainence you have to perform regularly. 'Once you count all the extra costs for materials, making your own meth is only a little bit cheaper than buying it from your friendly local meth dealer.'
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I've done metal casting of stuff a friend sculpted and if you want to do stuff that way there's maybe 30 minutes of getting the model ready to be cast, a day or so of surfing the web until the first half is dry, five minutes to turn it over and get the second half started, another day of web surfing, and then you can pop out a mini every two minutes or so. It'd be faster if I had non-burnable fingers.
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Holy poo poo you spergs, it's not about the actual value you are getting in that price, it's more that if you are ready to spend $12k on plastic mans you need your head examined. It's £7k in the UK store. You can buy a brand new car for less than that. Holy poo poo, it's a 10% mortgage deposit on some apartments in the UK. Edit: Forgot 
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Has anyone done the maths on it to see if it costs more than buying it all seperately yet? They've been known to pull that in the past.
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I read someone calculated a 12% savings, so it's not even as good as you'd get through a reseller somewhere.
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Much like motorcycles, the best way to buy 40k merchandise is used.
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So exactly how fun is the tabletop game? Not that I'm actually interested in it. Just that spending $11.5k in one go seems like a terrible idea on multiple levels. I certainly doubt I could remain that interested in it for more than a few months to make the investment worthwhile. But that's just me. Ok kinda a dick way to ask a question without really asking for what I was looking to get info on. So trying again. There's obviously a community that likes the tabletop, but is there any info on what the average age of the player is or average amount of time they've been playing? Is boredom by being kept to one army a big issue or can you agree to play as another army and their rules without actually having to buy a whole other army? Lead Psychiatry fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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I had fun smashing my Deathwing into people with all the subtlety of a fist in the face a few years ago in 5th edition, but now I've had a several year gap of play due to deployments, they've moved on to 6th edition, and my good friend that I always played with died in a car wreck so I can't bring myself to get back into it.
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Sep 24, 2013 17:21
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It's mainly 12-16 year old boys with rich parents.
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Lead Psychiatry posted:So exactly how fun is the tabletop game? Not that I'm actually interested in it. Just that spending $11.5k in one go seems like a terrible idea on multiple levels. I certainly doubt I could remain that interested in it for more than a few months to make the investment worthwhile. But that's just me.
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Lead Psychiatry posted:So exactly how fun is the tabletop game? Not that I'm actually interested in it. Just that spending $11.5k in one go seems like a terrible idea on multiple levels. I certainly doubt I could remain that interested in it for more than a few months to make the investment worthwhile. But that's just me. Nobody actually drops $12k on a massive pile of models. It's basically there as a joke. Though there are plenty of people who drop an embarrassing amount of money on their hobby, they're usually either pre-teens with rich parents or else grumpy old men with real jobs for who a couple hundred dollars on plastic space mans is affordable. The latter make up most goons.
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I played for years but around 4th edition my group got tired of having to re-buy all the books every few years, not to mention having to get new minis and the cost of said minis going through the roof. As a game it's not bad, albeit with some skewing of the idea of combat range to allow the hand-to-hand types any chance at all. But it's hard to justify the amount of cash it costs to start or stay in the game when there's so much else you can do with your money. I'd say just buy Dawn of War or Space Marine if you want to play in the 40k universe and leave the tabletop game for the idle rich.
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VanSandman posted:It's mainly 12-16 year old boys with rich parents. Or rich parents of 12-16 year old boys. 
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Hell, you can also play pretend-40k in Vassal. Sure, it takes some extra time, but you're only paying for the codices.
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Azran posted:Hell, you can also play pretend-40k in Vassal. Sure, it takes some extra time, but you're only paying for the codices. It takes less time if people know how to paste saved armies, assign proper terrain height and if you play with people who don't go afk every 5 minutes (hint: use skype).
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Cream_Filling posted:Nobody actually drops $12k on a massive pile of models. It's basically there as a joke. Though there are plenty of people who drop an embarrassing amount of money on their hobby, they're usually either pre-teens with rich parents or else grumpy old men with real jobs for who a couple hundred dollars on plastic space mans is affordable. The latter make up most goons. You know somebody will buy it, probably just to prove that they can. That said, I wonder if I added up how much I had spent on GW products over the years if it would come to a lot less than the £7,000 for this. The answer is probably too depressing for me the calculate albeit the cost would be spread over nearly 25 years
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Azran posted:Hell, you can also play pretend-40k in Vassal. Sure, it takes some extra time, but you're only paying for the codices. Not going to lie, love to play someone on here with that, if someone is willing to let me learn Vassal
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A friend of mine was in my car and saw a Horus Heresy book that I had. He read the boilerplate intro before the cast list and asked for a recommendation. I explained the setting of the Heresy and he expressed interest in the primarchs. I also don't think he's the type to enjoy Eisenhorn. I need something a little more bolter-porny with trappings of epicness. I have the first two Heresy books, Thousand Sun, Grey Knights Omnibus, Space Wolf omnibus, Know No Fear and Soul Hunter (whatever the first Night Lords is) not packed away. He's got no background in 40k. What would ya'll recommend?
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The Space Wolf omnibus would probably be best - they're pretty light and stuff like Soul Hunter and the Heresy books, while excellent, would probably go over his head because he's not familiar with the nuances therein.
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After giving it some thought (5 minutes), I think The First Heretic wouldn't be a bad introduction to the Horus Heresy series. It starts you off with regular people living in the universe, it quickly touches into the Primarchs and their differences and the politics of the nascent Imperium, features the Emperor and how individually powerful he is, the space marines throughout are developed, and chronologically it is the story of how the Heresy itself got started. It also has a lot of bolter porn and chaos stuff, and details how someone can fall within the context of people who know nothing of chaos and daemons. And then you can follow it up Know No Fear and Betrayer.
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Waroduce posted:A friend of mine was in my car and saw a Horus Heresy book that I had. He read the boilerplate intro before the cast list and asked for a recommendation. I explained the setting of the Heresy and he expressed interest in the primarchs. I also don't think he's the type to enjoy Eisenhorn. I need something a little more bolter-porny with trappings of epicness. I have the first two Heresy books, Thousand Sun, Grey Knights Omnibus, Space Wolf omnibus, Know No Fear and Soul Hunter (whatever the first Night Lords is) not packed away. He's got no background in 40k. What would ya'll recommend? Maybe Gaunt's Ghosts? Granted, that's IG lasgun porn and not SM bolterporn, but it's pretty solid military science-fiction even counting non-BL books and it's a pretty decent starting point for 40k on top of that. Brotherhood of the Snake might also be a good starting point for Space Marines. As far as starting the HH goes, I might seriously suggest "Read Horus Rising. Then go read the Lexicanum page to find out what happened up to Isstvan III, because Galaxy in Flames and False Gods blow. Then do Legion, Fulgrim, First Heretic->Know No Fear->Betrayer, and Thousand Song->Prospero Burns, in no particular order. Then stop with the HH for now." From the books you listed, I'd probably go Space Wolves.
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Dravs posted:It's £7k in the UK store. You can buy a brand new car for less than that. Holy poo poo, it's a 10% mortgage deposit on some apartments in the UK. Yea this was kind of the point i was makeing.
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Brothers of the Snake is a good introduction to Space Marines. I would recommend that over the Space Marine short story collections since those vary in quality.
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I was going to recommend that book as well, but the only problem with it is that the Space Marines aren't very "Space Marine-y" in that Abnett writes them as pretty sympathetic to humans, while most of the Chapters aren't. But then again, the humanity of Abnett's Marines might allow a new reader to identify with them a little better... At any rate, I don't think the OP had that in his collection anyway.
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If you want to get that alienation factor, maybe Storm of Iron (or is it Wrath of Iron?) the one with the Iron Hands being all 'gently caress you, into the grinder,' and nobody gets a happy ending.
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VanSandman posted:If you want to get that alienation factor, maybe Storm of Iron (or is it Wrath of Iron?) the one with the Iron Hands being all 'gently caress you, into the grinder,' and nobody gets a happy ending. That would be Wrath of Iron. The Iron Hands are incredibly uncaring, self-loathing and utterly alien soldiers. They couldnèt care less about the lives of their allies or the citizens they were 'liberating'.
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