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Not The Wendigo posted:Whatever happened to Flyboy? I remember him being one of the okay ones.
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I checked their MLP page and (sure enough) it's packed to the brim with way too many pages. And they mention us on one of them!TV Tropes, MLP:FIM, Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch posted:
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Grizzwold posted:Despite the awful, awful name they gave it (No, really), I'm actually amazed at what the (short, thankfully exampleless) page says. I had a feeling this page got it's examples chopped during the lolicon purge and sure enough. A quick perusal didn't turn up anything too awful beyond the obsessive documentation of underage girls who aren’t REALLY underage. Until the western animation section that is. quote:•The Warner siblings in Animaniacs are Older than They Look. They appear to be between the ages of six and twelve, but are at least sixty. Dot is rather sexualized in the series. What.
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Grizzwold posted:Goddamit, TvTropes. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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DStecks posted:In what world would it make any sense to be wearing a big heavy coat everywhere? And don't say "because storage" because trenchcoats are pathetic for that, if you actually want to haul anything, you'd use a drat backpack. Swords, also, very stupid. Little to no use besides combat, and in that capacity have been obsolete since before the Holy Roman Empire fell. They're also very heavy. Angel and The Matrix had long leather trenchcoats, therefore they are cool + practical. Lowly posted:I love the idea that when we're basically living on fear and scraps because aliens have taken over civilization, the first thing we're going to do is go back to making swords. I mean, we're all on the run from aliens, but we'll definitely have time to pick up some steel and forge it into amazing looking swords with cool names. I think they've gotten slapstick on TV confused with genuine domestic violence
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Namtab posted:Angel and The Matrix had long leather trenchcoats, therefore they are cool + practical. Tropers confuse everything with everything. They think a fedora and trenchcoat constitutes good fashion. They think anime is the be-all and end-all of art. They think the English teacher who flunked their 100,000,000,000 page doorstopper of a fantasy story (when really they were supposed to write an essay on whether or not The Importance of Being Earnest lives up to its title) is a sadist teacher. They think kindergarten girls whose parents keep yelling at them to stop giving them that dead fish-eyed stare are "type A tsunderes" who are secretly in love with them. They think anyone who outruns them in laps during gym class is a "jerk jock." I think you get the picture. They're so wrapped up in fantasy and putting labels on things that reality divorced them and took everything they had five years ago and they don't even know it because they're prowling the day care center for a trophy girlfriend (or holing themselves up in their anime-themed man caves spanking it to their imaginary girlfriends and mistresses, thinking they're Krieger from Archer). Sorry if I got a bit too graphic and off-base.
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Tropers basoically end up with tropes forming and shaping the way they think and see reality.
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Let's check the Getting poo poo Past the Radar page for iCarly:Some creep posted:iPie: while Spencer is trying to get a forgotten pie recipe from Trudy, she comes over for dinner. Then, she moves in on Spencer and says. "How about we take this party to the couch?" Spencer replies, "The couch is broken." Her response? "Well, let's go break it some more." How is that getting crap past the sensors? It's pretty obvious what she's talking about. Some creep posted:iGo To Japan: There's a scene in a spa. Both Mrs. Benson and Spencer are wrapped up in seaweed. When they realize it was a trap, they try to get out of the tightly bound seaweed. Spencer eats his way out of the seaweed, and then he slashes the seaweed covering Mrs. Benson with a sword. She also has to constantly remind him that the towel he's wearing around his waist keeps falling down. And yes, Mrs. Benson sees Spencer naked. Twice. This troper is grasping at straws. Some creep posted:Saved Your Life: Carly wears a bunny suit (furry pink full body suit, though at this rate one wonders how long it will be till they use the other kind) as part of dare from an iCarly viewer and she proceeds to frisk and spank Sam while wearing it. Ok, I think you guys you are reading too much into things... Some creep posted:Freddie's futile attempts to lift Carly by her waist onto the kitchen countertop, complete with struggled groaning from both of them. Stop! Some creep posted:a girl invited Freddie over to her house for the weekend, when her parents were going to be gone and her older brother was throwing a party. There is also a line of thought that suggests that not only were the parents going away, but that the brother's party was at a beach house somewhere, implying that they'd have the main house to themselves the whole weekend. She's offering him a weekend of sex. Carly then shoos her away by giving him a kiss. 
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I remember way back I looked on the TVTropes page for that old Disney Wizards of New York show and there were like, huge pages devoted to talking about how the siblings were loving, using such proof as 'they hug' and 'the sister said she loved her brother'.
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Namtab posted:Angel and The Matrix had long leather trenchcoats, therefore they are cool + practical. Did they not get that in The Matrix, the entire purpose of the trenchcoats was to conceal all the guns they were carrying? And that they carried so many guns because they didn't want to have to reload in the middle of a huge firefight; in a post-apocalyptic scenario you're going to want one gun you're really good with, and a bunch of ammo and spare parts for it. Who am I kidding? They're tropers. They've probably never even seen The Matrix.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I remember way back I looked on the TVTropes page for that old Disney Wizards of New York show and there were like, huge pages devoted to talking about how the siblings were loving, using such proof as 'they hug' and 'the sister said she loved her brother'. I've noticed that when it comes to sex, there are two types of Troper: the type that makes everything about sex (like the example you posted above), and the type that desperately tries to pretend that the sex/fetish stuff they're reading or watching isn't about sex. ("Oh, I watch The Anime That Shall Not Be Named for its interesting characters and complex storylines!") I don't know which is more annoying.
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DStecks posted:Did they not get that in The Matrix, the entire purpose of the trenchcoats was to conceal all the guns they were carrying? And that they carried so many guns because they didn't want to have to reload in the middle of a huge firefight; in a post-apocalyptic scenario you're going to want one gun you're really good with, and a bunch of ammo and spare parts for it. I thought the purpose was that they looked cool, and that when you can completely ignore the laws of physics, you don't have to worry about practical? It's commentary about not taking movies too seriously. Or it might not be commentary, and you just aren't supposed to take it seriously.
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DStecks posted:Who am I kidding? They're tropers. They've probably never even seen The Matrix. I really doubt that anyone frequenting a website made by dorks for dorks hasn't seen the matrix.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I thought the purpose was that they looked cool, and that when you can completely ignore the laws of physics, you don't have to worry about practical? Actually the clothing in The Matrix is what a bunch of hacker nerds think looks cool. So it fits Tropers.
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Power Perversion Potential posted:Avatar: The Last Airbender has Toph, who is blind but can "see" vibrations via her earthbending. Many fans have noted the voyeuristic potential of being able to see through walls, or even through clothes... as well as the Brain Bleaching downside to her tremor-sense, given that she can't turn it off as long as she's touching solid ground. The entire page enormous and just like that: an endless list of tropers drooling over how sexy superpowers from children's cartoons are.
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You could argue about whether tropers have seen The Matrix, or you could look it up, ya lazy bastards. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/TheMatrix?from=Main.TheMatrix By my count, their tropes list is 262 entries long and around 10,000 words. Which is, for comparison, more than twice the size of the entry for Citizen Kane, which comes in at 126 and around 5,000. To be fair, that includes all three Matrix movies, but then anyone who thinks the second two movies are worth talking about in any context except a scriptwriting class entitled: 'This week: what not to do,' doesn't really deserve fairness. There are ten thousand words and two hundred and sixty-two trope entries. Not including the linked pages to Animatrix and video game spin-offs. I think that counts as 'Yes, they've seen it.' And of course they have. Check out the quote they chose to lead the post with: quote:"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I remember way back I looked on the TVTropes page for that old Disney Wizards of New York show and there were like, huge pages devoted to talking about how the siblings were loving, using such proof as 'they hug' and 'the sister said she loved her brother'. There is not one, but two tropes about siblings loving. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 04:44 on May 23, 2014 |
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Bear Sleuth posted:What. So on a lark I decided to check out Pacific Rim and as expected this page is huge: 16.000 words and about 27 pages long. Compared to the Hamlet entry which is just shy of 6000 words and about 11 pages. This is the problem with TV Tropes: it's not a literary reference at all, it's just a place for geeks to sperg out about each and every little detail of their pet likes while genuine literature is only given half as much attention. And yes, I had a professor who actually recommended TV Tropes to her students. She even used trope-speak while discussing literature 
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Benny the Snake posted:And yes, I had a professor who actually recommended TV Tropes to her students. She even used trope-speak while discussing literature Good lord it's spreading.
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quote:And yes, I had a professor who actually recommended TV Tropes to her students. She even used trope-speak while discussing literature Was she otherwise a good teacher? I'm getting curious about this. I know a decent professional writer who quite likes TVTropes, for instance, but they aren't a troper, they just casually browse it every now and again and so haven't seen the depths.  At least some of the terms are fairly current outside the site itself - Anita Sarkeesian seems at least somewhat influenced by it, for instance, and while I don't agree with everything she says she does seem like a dignified and, you know, normal person. So while the site itself is horrible, there seems to be a stratum of users who are reasonable human beings capable of producing good work. Of course, this makes sense - the most obsessive people about any subject are probably the worst, especially something like a wiki where there's no reward except the obsession itself and no entry bar to keep out the idiots - but I do wonder about its ripple effect. My views of it are gloomy, of course, and I reckon that any good ideas people take from TVTropes are probably 'tropes' that are obvious and major and were recognised long before the tropers got into them, but I'd be interested to know what other goons have run into in real life... Also the sibling incest oh my. This is the actual first paragraph for 'Brother-Sister incest': quote:Nothing adds that certain je ne sais quoi to a storyline like a romantic or sexual attraction between siblings. Most of the time it may be merely implied, but sometimes it's laid out right in the open for the viewer to see. Its presence in a story usually adds a great deal of emotional intensity. Good writing? Exciting pacing? Complex characterisation? Profound themes? Social relevance? Thrilling plot twists? Heart-wrenching drama? Nah, the gold medal has to go to incest every time.  EDIT: I got to thinking about this bizarre claim, and asked myself: how many good works of art can I think of that feature anything approaching the kind of sibling incest they're so into? I could only think of three: The Secret History by Donna Tartt, in which one of the many psychological disaster areas uncovered by the murder is that the twin brother and sister are sexually involved, and Mansfield Park by Jane Austen, in which the ultimate marriage is between two first cousins who have been raised together as quasi-siblings since the ages of nine and sixteen, and the film Lone Star, in which the lovers discover at the end, to their shock, that the reason their families opposed their relationship was that they actually share a father. Of those, only the last plays the incest theme as a major plot element. All of them are variants on the theme of the kind you might find interesting if you were genuinely interested in the way incest can be used to make drama interesting. So, what do we have? The Secret History features two links. The first is to 'Surprise Incest' (that is, incest between people who didn't know they were related), which is not in the book. The narrator is surprised, the twins know perfectly well that they're brother and sister. The second is to 'Twincest': quote:Twincest I'll just leave you to contemplate that. Along with the fact that they insist that the other tropes include: quote:Ambiguously Jewish: Bunny speculates that Henry might be, though only because Henry is refusing to front him money...  Mansfield Park. They have apparently failed to pick up in the fetish here, for which we must be thankful - presumably anime pervs don't read Austen - and have nothing worse than 'Kissing Cousins.' But it also includes these gems: quote:All Girls Want Bad Boys: Maria and Julia both fall too hard for Henry Crawford to hate him for manipulating them both and instead just become jealous of each other. Fanny Price Snr. seems to have fallen prey to this when she married Lt Price, which could be why Fanny doesn't want to repeat the mistake with Crawford, even if the financial difficulties don't apply... TVTropes: we're an academic resource!  And finally, Lone Star, the only one where there might actually be some interesting themes and observations, given that the relationship between Sam and Pilar stands both as a complex character situation and a thematic reflection on Texas's tangled and painful history. What do we have? quote:We don't have an article named Film/LoneStar. If you want to start this new page, just click the edit button above. EDIT AGAIN: somebody reminded me that incest is also a major element in Ian McEwan's The Cement Garden. Hm, let's see... quote:We don't have an article named Main/TheCementGarden. If you want to start this new page, just click the edit button above. Nope. It only gets a mention on the list of incest page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BrotherSisterIncest/Literature. His book has incest in it, and that's all there is to say about it. Incest. It adds that je ne sais quoi! That's why we don't talk about it in works of art where it's actually an interesting narrative device!  Nous savons exactly quoi you think incest adds to fiction. I know it, you know it, my neighbour's dog knows it, which is why he's looking at you with fear in his big brown eyes. Stop pretending and go set up an honest fetish site, you deniers. Apple Tree fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Apple Tree posted:Stop pretending and go set up an honest fetish site, you deniers.  They did exactly that. 
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/DonkeyKongCountry There is a Nightmare Fuel for Donkey Kong. Tropers have nightmares have 2d platform games that have zero blood in them.
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Ugh. It's the phrase more than the fetishes that bothers me. If you've got a fetish and you can find consenting adults, fine, whatever, everyone has their thing, just don't do it in the street and frighten the purple ponies. But when you start describing as 'fetish fuel' something that YOU YOURSELF acknowledge is 'accidental' - ie, NOT ACTUALLY PORN... I used to know this autistic guy (actually autistic, not self-diagnosed-on-the-Net) who didn't know how to say 'I found this woman attractive.' So he'd always say 'This woman on the train was coming on to me' - even when the chances were that she was probably just riding the same train as him and minding her own business. (He was a nice guy, if kinda mixed up, but not exactly suavely presented.) Seriously, this is the troper attitude: if it turns me on, it's 'fetish fuel'. It's hitting on me. It's the sexual equivalent of 'trope averted'. The concept comes first, and everything in reality is in service to it. If it happens, it's a trope, if it doesn't happen, trope averted. If it's supposed to turn me on, it's porn, if it's not supposed to turn me on, it's fetish fuel. And especially gross since of the four paragraphs on the home page, a whole paragraph is dedicated to perving on kid stuff: quote:This also has the funny side effect of even happening with children's programming, but to the kids watching it, not the adults. It doesn't mean they are experiencing sexual arousal (unless they are "early bloomers"), just that they might feel they are enjoying a part of a show a bit "too much". Why this is funny is that some people get up in arms about family friendly programming not showing anything dirty, but they seem to think it's limited to a princess's dress showing any sort of cleavage, not whether a princess is hypnotized. Yeah, those hilarious family friendly people who can't anticipate every fetish in the world! It's so funny! We outmanouevre the squares with our kookiness! That's why we have a site any child can enter as long as they hit the 'I understand and want to continue' button, because we're hilariously slippery! Either that, or we just have the same reading age and viewing age as a small child. Apple Tree fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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quote:Oh and to make things worse? The first game's game over screen DOESN'T GO AWAY until you press a button on your controller. Even when the music ends, it will stay there to haunt you forever until you mash the "A" button so that you can be relieved to see the opening again. That last sentence is spoilered for some reason. quote:The game over screen from the GBC version can be even worse.  I can barely stand to look at it! quote:K. Rool worsens by the end of DKC2, where he is actually shown beating DK and shooting him with his gun; he also shoots weird clouds from his gun which either freeze, slow down, or reverse the control of your characters. My nightmares are haunted by clouds. Every night I'm terrified they will reverse my controls. quote:Donkey Kong Land III - after beating the game with the normal ending (but not yet getting 100% Completion) attempting to enter the Lost World will result in suddenly being hit with the "You Need However Many Coins To Enter" screen, which is a digitized render of Baron K. Roolenstein against a black background while the super-happy credits music plays. The only thing more scary than gloomy music is happy music.
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"Fetish Fuel" in Kingdom Hearts? Man, they really sound like they're grasping for straws here (and probably wet their pants whenever they hear the ice cream truck coming around the corner).
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When it comes to "Nightmare Fuel", nothing will ever top this page.
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That is 7601 words of tropers making GBS threads their pants over ponies.
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The only actual Nightmare Fuel involving My Little Pony is the (unintended) audience.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The only actual Nightmare Fuel involving My Little Pony is the audience. If you're scared of five-year-old girls, you lose the right to poke fun at tropers' fears. 
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Apple Tree posted:If you're scared of five-year-old girls, you lose the right to poke fun at tropers' fears. I really should've been more specific.
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quote:•From the Comic-con preview, Twilight witnessing Luna's breakdown and transformation into Nightmare Moon. Bear Sleuth posted:The only thing more scary than gloomy music is happy music. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Sep 25, 2013 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I really should've been more specific. Yes indeed. Didn't you know that if you say bad things about them online, five-year-old girls come and hide under your bed, wait for night to fall, and then, when you're least expecting it, they jump out and GET YOU?!?!?  Little girls are scary motherfuckers if you cross them. And I know this because TVTropes is scared to death of them. Check out how many varieties there are! quote:Creepy children are frequently female, and often Emotionless Girls. They can be, among other things, a Robot Girl, an Oracular Urchin, a changeling, a Waif Prophet, a Strange Girl, or Evil ... Compare and contrast Psychopathic Manchild and the usually much more proactive and physically dangerous Enfant Terrible. See also Undead Child and Ambiguous Innocence. Also compare Creepy Cute. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreepyChild I'm not going to comment on the 'Psychopathic Manchild' thing, it'd be shooting fish in a barrel. I'll just say that the trope page on that includes My Little Pony fan fiction: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PsychopathicManchild That fan fiction involves torture. Both examples. This is, let's remember, not on the Nightmare Fuel pages. 
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Apple Tree posted:
Of course not, the fanfic in question is so prolific it has a page of its own!
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Apple Tree posted:I'm not going to comment on the 'Psychopathic Manchild' thing, it'd be shooting fish in a barrel. I'll just say that the trope page on that includes My Little Pony fan fiction: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PsychopathicManchild For a moment I thought this was amazingly self-aware until I checked the page and realized that the examples were the fanfics' characters, not authors. The "Headscratchers" (read: whining about plot holes) page for Bionicle (a series of Lego toys with the bare-bones plot of "heroes with elemental powers fight bad guys") is over ten thousand words long. This academic literary analysis site has dedicated more effort to complaining about the "plot" of a small set of children's toys than it has to analyzing anything of merit. Apparently tropers finally realized that Nabokov's Lolita isn't actually pedoshit and restored the page. Let's see what they have to say about it! quote:Lolita is a 1955 novel by Vladimir Nabokov about the relationship between erudite pedophile Humbert Humbert and his stepdaughter/kidnappee Dolores Haze. The action takes place between 1947 and 1952, and is chock-full of convoluted wordplay, multilingual puns, and allusions to everything from entomology to Edgar Allan Poe. Originally written in English and set in the US, it had to be published in France as pornography because no one else would touch it. Nabokov himself pointed out that this is probably the main reason why parents don't name their daughters "Lolita" any more. They literally spend more effort discussing "lolicon" than they do discussing the novel itself. Well, maybe the list of tropes will be better? quote:A Boy and His X: A man and his under-aged lover.  I'm not even past the A's and I'm already done with this bullshit.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:For a moment I thought this was amazingly self-aware until I checked the page and realized that the examples were the fanfics' characters, not authors. At least they actually call him a pedophile and don't try any of this 'Ephebophilia' bullshit they'd normally do.
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