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crowfeathers posted:Well, hell, I'm still going to vote for her. But I don't think a Democrat has a chance of winning for some time to come whether or not Davis has popularity behind her. In the future that will certainly change, but will her popularity last that long? Yeah, I'm conflicted about this. I want her to seek higher office but her chances of success are slim and it may mean an end to her political career but it's not like there is any other state wide race she would have a better chance winning so might as well swing for the fences. That's the problem that all aspiring Democratic candidates have in a state like Texas; their opportunities for advancement on the political stage are very limited at this time. Real Name Grover posted:Forgive me if this has already been addressed in the thread, but out of curiosity, what's the general consensus as to Julian Castro's ambitions beyond San Antonio? Same problem for him and his brother. They are popular and effective as politicians but where do they go from their current positions in Texas politics? They are not held back by their ambition or drive, only by a deep red electorate in state wide elections. radical meme fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Real Name Grover posted:Forgive me if this has already been addressed in the thread, but out of curiosity, what's the general consensus as to Julian Castro's ambitions beyond San Antonio? He said he's certainly staying mayor for the rest of his term and not running for governor, which means he's looking into running for governor.
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duz posted:He said he's certainly staying mayor for the rest of his term and not running for governor, which means he's looking into running for governor. I would certainly hope that the State Democratic Party has coordinated between these two if he does in fact want to make a run but that may be too much to hope for.
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Real Name Grover posted:Forgive me if this has already been addressed in the thread, but out of curiosity, what's the general consensus as to Julian Castro's ambitions beyond San Antonio? Ah, found a tweet Castro made about it: https://twitter.com/juliancastrotx/status/195664754616971265 Julian Castro posted:@Rivardreport That's an easy one, Bob. I'll be mayor through May 2017, if the voters will have me. Zero interest in Washington. 
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Sep 26, 2013 22:38
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The way Julian handled the LGBT law was wonderful to behold, but as you say he seems to be happy staying mayor for a while at least. On the other hand, you don't give the keynote speech to someone just to let them languish as mayor somewhere, so eventually he's sure to have serious ambitions.
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Texas has the least powerful Governorship in the country, so I'd think an ambitious person would be more interested in other offices. I'd think a Senate run. Cruz is up in 2018, so Castro has two (he hopes) successful and popular terms as mayor under his belt, and a year to go on the campaign trail full time.
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crowfeathers posted:The way Julian handled the LGBT law was wonderful to behold, but as you say he seems to be happy staying mayor for a while at least. On the other hand, you don't give the keynote speech to someone just to let them languish as mayor somewhere, so eventually he's sure to have serious ambitions. While Mayor won't likely catapult him to the national stage, he can build a good reputation and connections in Texas politics. The alternative, running for state-wide office at either the state or federal level and getting slaughtered, he'll be written off. Or he can play the long game and build up a nice niche in the state house or in a friendly Congressional district.
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Alter Ego posted:She's a fantastic AG, which makes that travesty of a Senate campaign all the more tragic. Literally, there is no way to make the same mistake twice, even if PPP polling puts her 20 points ahead of Charlie Baker. Every story after the primary will be DID MARTHA COAKLEY LEARN HER LESSON!? I like Martha, I think she is a better choice than Capuano. But I Am suuuuuper biased.
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Platonicsolid posted:Texas has the least powerful Governorship in the country, so I'd think an ambitious person would be more interested in other offices. I'd think a Senate run. Cruz is up in 2018, so Castro has two (he hopes) successful and popular terms as mayor under his belt, and a year to go on the campaign trail full time. You'd be surprised how powerful the governor becomes when he has 13 years to name someone to literally every appointed position in the state.
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notthegoatseguy posted:While Mayor won't likely catapult him to the national stage, he can build a good reputation and connections in Texas politics. The alternative, running for state-wide office at either the state or federal level and getting slaughtered, he'll be written off. Or he can play the long game and build up a nice niche in the state house or in a friendly Congressional district. While a safe congressional seat would be a walk in the park, I think him running for Cruz's seat in 2018 is where he's headed since it's much easier to make the jump from senator to higher office if he has ambitions that high. Plus 4 years is a long time right now to change Texas from deep red to purple, especially with how bat poo poo insane the GOP has been to the very large Latino population that is coming of age and just needs to get registered.
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Remember when Sarah Palin recently said she's not running for Senate AT THIS TIME?! Well, she's still not running for Senate, but might she? She might.quote:“Ted Cruz and more of those good guys need some reinforcements in these midterm elections, to undo so much of what the Democrats are doing,” Palin said. “I don’t know if it’ll be me.” And I bet a donation to Sarah PAC would really help Ted Cruz's cause.
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duz posted:He said he's certainly staying mayor for the rest of his term and not running for governor, which means he's looking into running for governor. Lt Gov Castro!
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Platonicsolid posted:Failure in one campaign can build the base for the next campaign. You have name recognition for candidates, you keep the activists engaged (or at least keep them from becoming more disengaged) and you can help some of your down-ticket candidates. And who knows, sometimes your opponent implodes. (IE: George 'Macaca' Allen or Todd 'Legitimate Rape' Aikin) In Texas, the best example of this is Clayton "just relax and enjoy it [rape]" Williams, who was well ahead of Ann Richards until that little nugget came out of his mouth.
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Claytie Boy was awesome, yeah. His refusing to shake her hand also added to his street cred. Houstonians who are 38 or older might also recall then-former mayor Louie Welch's ill-timed "Shoot The Queers" that torpedoed his run for a new term against Whitmire.
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Anyone else witnessing this unbearably stupid forced non-scandal? http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cory-booker-stripper-20130926,0,7141278.story quote:The story is basically this: On Wednesday a BuzzFeed reporter -- perhaps with sextually challenged New York politico Anthony Weiner on the brain -- posted a story about Lee exchanging private messages with Booker, the bachelor mayor of Newark, N.J. This is all over the Delaware valley news outlets, and it is so painful watching them play the "is this a big deal? some people say it is..." game.
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SedanChair posted:They try to come up with fake Booker sexts, and they pick ones that make him look straight? Honestly, the best part of the "scandal" has been Lynsie Lee's posts on Twitter. (And yes, that link to the Twitter account of a now-pseudo-famous Portland stripper is  .)
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Alter Ego posted:Maybe a good candidate is the catalyst Texas Dems need. Hell, it worked for MA Dems when Elizabeth Warren ran for Senate. She wasn't a strong candidate. It doesn't take much more than a pulse (rip martha coakley) for a Democrat to win a senate seat in Massachusetts, especially in a year when there's also a presidential election.
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Technogeek posted:Honestly, the best part of the "scandal" has been Lynsie Lee's posts on Twitter. Its bloody hilarious. You have to love how much of a non story it is, and I would have to agree with you about her twitter postings.
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hobbesmaster posted:This story is seriously "single man flirts with woman"? A stripper! Who works at a strip club! Scandalous! I was also very confused by "vegan strip club" until my eyes moved over to "Portland."
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I saw Portland and I'm still confused with "vegan strip club". Like, are the strippers vegan? Do they serve tofu wings? What's wrong with the world these days?
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serewit posted:I saw Portland and I'm still confused with "vegan strip club". Like, are the strippers vegan? Do they serve tofu wings? What's wrong with the world these days? Apparently the guy wanted to get people to eat more tofu, so he brought in strippers.
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Joementum posted:Apparently the guy wanted to get people to eat more tofu, so he brought in strippers. Well he was just looking for the combo of two things that are tasteless and boring.
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Joementum posted:Apparently the guy wanted to get people to eat more tofu, so he brought in strippers. There's no sex in the tempeh room.
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serewit posted:I saw Portland and I'm still confused with "vegan strip club". Like, are the strippers vegan? Do they serve tofu wings? What's wrong with the world these days? Normal strip clubs treat women like meat; this one treats them like vegetables.
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The Monkey Man posted:Normal strip clubs treat women like meat; this one treats them like vegetables. You can't have dessert until you eat them first? That joke was beneath me, I apologize.
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I'm sure I'm not the first to think this, but isn't Davis running in TX bad from a national strategy and money standpoint? - big liberal donors see her as a big hot commodity and donate money to her, rather than to winnable states ranging from MI to AZ to FL to even SC (which will be closer than TX if 2010 is a baseline). - Women's groups (PP, EMILY'S List) spend resources propping up a spokesperson for them rather than electing sympathetic lawmakers in the aforementioned states - Hispanic groups, who could have a bigger effect in closer states like AZ or CO follow the party and try to take a risk on turning out more people in TX. Basically, TX is still a decade or more away according to conservative estimates (Sabato, for one) and while its a sexy choice, bigger immediate dividends can be won in bigger states like FL, PA (esp if a D is gov for the next redistricting), MI (ditto, see PA), and maybe OH?
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De Nomolos posted:I'm sure I'm not the first to think this, but isn't Davis running in TX bad from a national strategy and money standpoint? The idea is to make big money GOP donors spend big to hold what should've been safe seats for them, which should lessen the overall pressure on liberal donors in every front in more purple areas.
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The Monkey Man posted:Normal strip clubs treat women like meat; this one treats them like vegetables. So they're covered in ranch dressing? 
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Rick Perry's last election was closer than people realize, even if it's unlikely,I don't see a problem with energizing democrats in 2016 with hopes for 2020 and beyond Rick Scott is looking very vulnerable, and the proper candidate would certainly give him trouble. It remains to be seen if it'll be Crist running against him, but I have to imagine Crist would have some very good odds. As for my state? Kasich has a war chest and one of the most thoroughly corrupt cabinets in existence. However, Fitzgerald is probably the best thing Cuyahoga County has given Ohio since house-era Kucinich. He managed to clean up the most corrupt district in Ohio as county exec, and he just needs his name out there more. Ohio is wide open.
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De Nomolos posted:I'm sure I'm not the first to think this, but isn't Davis running in TX bad from a national strategy and money standpoint? I think it's actually the opposite because most of the #StandWithWendy type money really isn't coming out of the pocket of another candidate, it's going to be big donors that will open up to anyone that focuses on that issue and small donors who only donate to the occasional specific candidate. The idea of running a statewide single issue abortion candidate in Texas is probably pretty silly in terms of just raw votes, but maybe the incoming influx of money creates an infrastructure for 2018 and forward.
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The real question about her is who she really is and what she really stands for. Texas hasn't turned out a shitload of great state-level Democrats in recent years. Look at Chris Bell. Sure, she'll be better than any GOP offering, but the question that almost no one has asked is, "Yeah, I agree with her on reproductive rights, but what about the rest of her beliefs?" OF course, yeah, vote for her against Dewhurst, but before you get excited about her find out at least a bit about what she believes. Also, yeah, the Warren comparison earlier couldn't be less relevant. Warren was a national figure with a decade-long record running in America's largest gulag. Davis has a tough row to hoe in one of America's most reliably conservative states.
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ReindeerF posted:The real question about her is who she really is and what she really stands for. Texas hasn't turned out a shitload of great state-level Democrats in recent years. Look at Chris Bell. Sure, she'll be better than any GOP offering, but the question that almost no one has asked is, "Yeah, I agree with her on reproductive rights, but what about the rest of her beliefs?" OF course, yeah, vote for her against Dewhurst, but before you get excited about her find out at least a bit about what she believes. Warren also has fairly middling political skills at best; her only real distinction is that every so often she can preach to the choir really effectively. Wendy Davis at least appears to have actual political speaking skills.
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You mean aside from having risen from college professor to national prominence and then campaigned and won an election for statewide office against the Republican who beat the last woman to run in the same spot? Don't write her off so easily. She's not Bill Clinton, but she's quite clearly not Martha Coakley either and her political speaking skills motivate the poo poo out of a lot of people. More importantly, while she may bend and fold here and there, there's a decades-long record of who Warren is. Davis has yet to demonstrate a lot of that and she's up against a much tougher statewide race in Texas. I'm old enough to say this after having hosed it up myself several times here, publicly: be careful about unquestioningly admiring rising political stars.
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Also, in terms of political speaking skills, Warren did a pretty good job at the DNC. She got overshadowed a bit by the guy who followed her, but that's not really her fault. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNcbg1EU_bI
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jeffersonlives posted:I think it's actually the opposite because most of the #StandWithWendy type money really isn't coming out of the pocket of another candidate, it's going to be big donors that will open up to anyone that focuses on that issue and small donors who only donate to the occasional specific candidate. The idea of running a statewide single issue abortion candidate in Texas is probably pretty silly in terms of just raw votes, but maybe the incoming influx of money creates an infrastructure for 2018 and forward. I don't know if I buy this. To be sure pro-choice California and NY donors would see their money go much further in FL. Plus, with Scott able to self-fund, the GOP won't be spending much there anyway, and that's a good 50 mil that they can drop anywhere. So you can assume they will save $ in FL to drop everywhere else. I doubt they drop it in TX, knowing that even an average TX Republican will always have plenty of donors. The war of attrition works when you have a purple state or a bad candidate. Texas has neither right now.
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