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tehloki posted:There's a forest of cables in our server room ceiling, some of which are supported by string. There's also a 2-foot-deep sonicwall that is screwed into a 2-post rack and is supported by string. Do you want pictures That sounds impressive. Let's see it.
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Splashy Gravy posted:Could someone repost the pic of the equipment hanging from the ceiling by string? I'm having trouble finding it in the last thread. I just tried searching for this myself and if I'm thinking it was originally posted by Captain Gimpy. Problem is, it was on Waffleimages which is no more. Hopefully someone has it archived somewhere. During the search, I did come across this gem that I'm sure everyone will appreciate since we all hate printers (originally posted by Zephirus): 
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TWBalls posted:Person 2: Hmm... I dunno, YouTube it. I'm sure there's a step by step video out there. This pisses me off. When the only instructions you can find to do a thing all link back to some youtube video where a dude with an agonisingly slow whiny voice explains how to do the thing in baby steps when all you needed was a couple of commands, not 5 minutes being shown how to click start run and type CMD in 3 different versions of Windows. Just write the bloody instructions in text.
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Lum posted:This pisses me off. When the only instructions you can find to do a thing all link back to some youtube video where a dude with an agonisingly slow whiny voice explains how to do the thing in baby steps when all you needed was a couple of commands, not 5 minutes being shown how to click start run and type CMD in 3 different versions of Windows. God drat this. If I want some instruction on some software, I want it in text and screenshots. I don't want to drag through minutes of some neckbeard's nasally wheeze when it would take seconds to skim to the important parts. Video only makes sense with physical project instruction, like laptop disassembly or the like.
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Lum posted:This pisses me off. When the only instructions you can find to do a thing all link back to some youtube video where a dude with an agonisingly slow whiny voice explains how to do the thing in baby steps when all you needed was a couple of commands, not 5 minutes being shown how to click start run and type CMD in 3 different versions of Windows. I hate how when they make a mistake or something crashes they don't restart the video they do it all in one take.. with a $5 mic that has a constant high pitched whine with some huge fan blowing into it.
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^^^ Bonus points if you get to sit through the machine rebooting while the narrator makes jokes about "Microsloth" and rambles on about how great Linux/Macs are before proceeding to carry on with how to do (Windows-only-thing)Biggz posted:I don't think this is the case... Do people really say "I'm just going to facebook that on MySpace"? 
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Sep 26, 2013 19:38
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evol262 posted:Fun fact: hourly computer employees can also be exempt if they make ~$27/hr. In California you are *not* exempt if you are "...engaged in the operation of computers or in the manufacture, repair, or maintenance of computer hardware and related equipment." Repaid and maintenance duties ? Not exempt ! That's CSC 515.5.b.3, and all of 515.5.b explicitly overrides the paragraph that says you're exempt above $36/hr or $75,000 annually. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=lab&group=00001-01000&file=500-558
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Now I have 2 threads to keep up with :P I blame the puppy.Lum posted:This pisses me off. When the only instructions you can find to do a thing all link back to some youtube video where a dude with an agonisingly slow whiny voice explains how to do the thing in baby steps when all you needed was a couple of commands, not 5 minutes being shown how to click start run and type CMD in 3 different versions of Windows. Oh a thousand times This. I was just having to suffer that a day or two ago! Especially prevalent with phone modding (e.g. Android rooting) is the black and white choice between a) v vague abbrv'd text sntnce easy m8 just adb bootloader flash cwm fastboot recovery flash supersu done  (and a ban hammer if you ask for clarification)b) 3 hours of how to use a start menu and click through tabs on youtube narrated slowly by a 10 year old There is nothing in between whatsoever.
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Welp just got an email that they fired two phone agents. Guess who got their tickets.
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 The forest  The former telecom board, now there are only about 5 working phone lines in this whole big mess. The one in the basement is 5 times the size and much more cluttered, and is the actual demarc for the phone/fiber. That huge bundle of whitish cables (cat3? who knows) is all cut off in the ceiling. Our ethernet network was basically laid on top of the old network when it was installed sometime last decade.  Some nice cable management by the security guy.  When they decided they needed to network the whole basement for 50 ethernet + 20 phones + all doors security they just sort of blasted a hole in the floor with a jackhammer and gave me (and the disastrously overworked facilities guy) about 2 weeks to get the whole thing done. Needless to say this is the result.  Some awesome power cable management by me made possible by the diligent work of the 4 guys in the 7 or so years before me to make sure all the cables were in a nice un-disentanglable pile.  The aforementioned sonicwall held in place by string. The string was actually my addition after noticing that the front of the rack was actually bent into an s-curve by the weight of the thing. On top is an old google search appliance that I gutted and turned into an FTP server when I was given 2 days to set one up with no budget.  Our glorious main network rack. It's a lot neater than it was when I started here, if you can believe that. The dark switch is dead but load-bearing - lots of the screw holes in the rack slots above it are bent out of shape or have broken-off screw bolts in them so I can't screw in the two switches on top of it securely.  Ticketmaster's stuff. I'm not allowed to touch it.  More ceiling forest. When we run new ethernet I try and keep it in the main columns of cable but the ceiling is such a clusterfuck of crisscrossing wires going god knows where and giant bundles that are cut off it's nearly impossible to get a straight shot through the ceiling in here.  Bonus: our ancient mailserver, running zimbra open source edition. Impossible to get it upgraded because our current SLA is nothing with nobody and our current yearly cost is free (assuming my time is worthless). Try arguing for a migration of 100+ users to google apps with finance when the server isn't currently a sparking lump of fused metal and you will feel my pain. Lots of this stuff could be fixed if I was willing to work uncompensated overnight time for a month or so, or if they brought in a contractor to just tear the whole thing down and rebuild it over a holiday weekend, but I'm just one guy and nobody is standing over me with a lash demanding that I make it neat, so I just do what I can to keep everything in working condition and not egregiously unsafe/unstable. It's ugly but it works. For now. user on probation fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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mllaneza posted:In California you are *not* exempt if you are "...engaged in the operation of computers or in Exemption doesn't depend on pay. You must make at least $36/hr or $75k annually (or whatever) in order for your employer to submit your position as exempt, but it doesn't happen automatically. The pay is just a precondition. Gaming the law by "repair and maintenance" disregards the spirit of the legislation: quote:The exemption provided in subdivision (a) does not apply to an employee if any of the following apply: Compare to what it takes to qualify: quote:(1) The employee is primarily engaged in work that is intellectual or creative and that requires the exercise of discretion and independent judgment. The second part is clearly intended to say that repair technicians (copiers/etc), people who use computers as part of a non-IT job (graphic design, et al), and entry-level helpdesk don't qualify as exempt, which also agrees with the federal Department of Labor guidelines -- exempt positions are for people who are expected to be "above and beyond", which break/fix technicians and helpdesk aren't. More to the point, if I get hired into an exempt position as a systems administrator, I can't quote CSC 515.b to say "nyah-nyah, you have to pay me overtime now" because I repair and maintain computers. E: tehloki posted:Our glorious main network rack. It's a lot neater than it was when I started here, if you can believe that. The dark switch is dead but load-bearing - lots of the screw holes in the rack slots above it are bent out of shape or have broken-off screw bolts in them so I can't screw in the two switches on top of it securely. evol262 fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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blackswordca posted:Welp just got an email that they fired two phone agents. Guess who got their tickets. For the love of god get out.
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tehloki posted:(a bit of a mess) Wow.... the chaos... it's beautiful. And I thought our place was bad for make do and mend Our walls are turning into swiss cheese with all the "we want to move person a to area b by this afternoon, no time to do things 'neatly', just drill a hole and run an extension cable will ya, why are you still standing there?" but aren't quite that bad
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Sep 26, 2013 20:19
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Lum posted:This pisses me off. When the only instructions you can find to do a thing all link back to some youtube video where a dude with an agonisingly slow whiny voice explains how to do the thing in baby steps when all you needed was a couple of commands, not 5 minutes being shown how to click start run and type CMD in 3 different versions of Windows. Agreed. Only problem with that is it seems like no one ever reads it. See my previous gripe about new guy taking a week to fix an issue with a doctor not being able to RDP into an EMR system, only to have the director finally ask me to look in to it and have it fixed within 5 seconds. I told the director that I had this documented and that I had made new guy aware of the documentation months ago. mllaneza posted:In California you are *not* exempt if you are "...engaged in the operation of computers or in TWBalls fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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TWBalls posted:poo poo, thanks for this. I think our company is trying to pull that exempt bullshit on my co-worker. I'll forward this to him.
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evol262 posted:I want to point out (again) that this is going to be a legal battle. Companies do not "pull exempt bullshit" without backing from HR (who has backing from legal for that position based on duties and skillset required) unless they're completely retarded. It's not as simple as quoting a bill to remove the exempt status from a position.
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GargleBlaster posted:Wow.... the chaos... it's beautiful. It's actually quite neat and well managed on the office side of things, I just don't really have any time to keep it neat on the server room end of things. I refuse to do any half-assed patchwork stuff that looks terrible where any manager can see it, because they'll inevitably tell me to redo it neatly without notice the first time they have to have somebody important in the office.
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Replacing two of our three large, networked printers tomorrow. I didn't find out about this until noon today. Even better, I still don't have the model number for one of them. My boss decided that it would be a good idea to go around and physically talk to the 30-40 people that this would affect and refuses to send any emails, because people would prefer the "personal touch every once in a while." Sure thing dude.  I think he's hit 3-4 people so far and is about to leave for the day. Tomorrow will be fun!
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tehloki posted:
What's up, ancient gigantic ProLiant buddy?  We use ours as a Hyper-V host and pray every day that it doesn't catch fire. The running joke is that Bistromath's size constantly increases every time we mention it. I think it's currently up to 36us.
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Pfft, that's a G5. I'm pretty sure we have some G3's still around doing things.
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Splashy Gravy posted:Could someone repost the pic of the equipment hanging from the ceiling by string? I'm having trouble finding it in the last thread. Gladly!
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Fil5000 posted:For the love of god get out. YOTJ Update: Just got an interview for next week at an engineering firm. Its intermediate IT support position. The guy that's doing it now I worked with him a few years ago and he is moving onto a government position. blackswordca fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Wiggly posted:Gladly! Okay that's a way smaller setup than mine but bahahaha e: just saw "HUB" 
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various people posted:string as infrastructure At what point do people just give up and let their poo poo go fallow? Were these places originally organized wiring closets that then went bad over time due to apathy or were they always set up like my kids' tinkertoy/lego constructions? I'm not trying to be judgmental here. Promise. I am honestly trying to understand how wiring closets get like this.
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Helushune posted:What's up, ancient gigantic ProLiant buddy?  Say hello to one of our Novell file servers. I pray daily for the day I get to tear it out of our rack and put it out of our misery. skipdogg posted:Pfft, that's a G5. I'm pretty sure we have some G3's still around doing things. So do we! And if I ever need a server for doing something I have more G4's than anyone knows what to do with. Hell we just sent away about 20 for recycling.
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Agrikk posted:At what point do people just give up and let their poo poo go fallow? Were these places originally organized wiring closets that then went bad over time due to apathy or were they always set up like my kids' tinkertoy/lego constructions? One kludge at a time, usually. Temporary / emergency measures that are somehow still there five years later because "we'll get around to re-doing this properly at some point" never actually happens. It gets worse with staff turnovers when you have stuff that was "set up by the last guy" that the New Guy is afraid to touch because he never got around to figuring out how it was all set up. He'll add his own hacks on top because when something needs to be changed or added RIGHT AWAY, it's easier to patch something onto the mess than to re-do the whole thing. The worst is small business that have a network but not a big enough one to employ their own IT person. Stuff accumulates... The other week I had to dig out a dead switch that was drywalled into the ceiling.
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Wiggly posted:Gladly! Awesome! I'd been wanting to update that to point out the small UPS that is also suspended by strings. 
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hihifellow posted:
It would be totally awesome if that big old son of a bitch was running NetWare. Just because. Also those DL380 servers were great boxes. We had a poo poo load of them and they ran like champions until we did a hardware upgrade. I ended up snagging a bunch of them and shipping a few of those out to the Goonfleet guys where I think they ended up powering the forums there and other infrastructure for a while. Linked for size.
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go3 posted:Maybe we shouldnt be distributing iPads and laptops and poo poo to students but who am I to question I have similar concerns, but look at it in this light: it doesn't seem preposterous to suggest that having some kind of computing device is advantageous for a student, relative to not having one. You can look stuff up online, you can type papers, lots of other stuff that you and I take for granted. Now consider that a lot of students in public school systems lack any such device. Giving everyone a device of some kind starts to look like a way to significantly improve equity of opportunity for students. Maybe an iPad winds up being the best choice, maybe it doesn't, but if you've decided to take that plunge, you have to consider the logistics. What's cheapest, since deployment on this scale is a huge chunk of change no matter what you go with? What's easiest to administer? What's easiest to repair or replace? What's the most resistant to the damage that kids will inevitably inflict on it? What's easiest for students to use, both in terms of UI and logistically -- maybe they don't have a place at home to put a desktop computer, but a laptop or a tablet doesn't have that kind of physical footprint. There are a ton of logistical challenges to be worked out, certainly, but I'm not sure it's as crazy as it sounds. EDIT: I used the word "logistics" way too much in this post. guppy fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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My wife and I were just talking about Ipads at schools. Their school just got them, and she hates them. Besides the logistics, part of the problem is that the teachers are expected to find stuff for the kids to do on the Ipad. Teachers are not mobile app developers. There is some freeware out there, but otherwise there is a real lack of content. The other problem is she works in special ed. There are a couple of "look at the great things were are doing with autistic kids and Ipads' videos out there. This leads to the administration saying, "You have Ipads, why do you need more resources?" and the parents saying "my kid has an Ipad, why haven't you fixed them yet?"
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I think I'd much rather give students these instead of overpriced tablets to be quite honest.
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Agrikk posted:At what point do people just give up and let their poo poo go fallow? Were these places originally organized wiring closets that then went bad over time due to apathy or were they always set up like my kids' tinkertoy/lego constructions? The last place I worked had some pretty hosed up wiring closets due to a variety of issues. The short version is that only the people on the help desk actually care about how everything is cabled because they are the only ones who ever physically interact with the equipment. The people that order the equipment never bother to check if there is room or infrastructure ahead of time and dump everything on the help desk at the last minute and holy poo poo this needs to be done yesterday stop making excuses and make it work. Help desk hacks something together to get it working and lets the appropriate people know what happened and what needs to be done to correct it but since it works now and the guilty parties kissed some rear end nothing happens or changes. Only way that poo poo was ever going to get fixed was for the help desk techs to volunteer their time and gently caress that. Especially when your highly educated and skilled* rear end is getting paid less than someone stocking shelves as Costco. *Side note: Aside from the tickets that came in the help desk handled most of the most systems administration, email administration, virtualization, most networking tasks, company cell phones, printers (gently caress printers), everything to do with desktops/laptops etc. 3 full time people for around 800 employees. There were 3 other people there whose job titles would have suggested that they handled most of those tasks but the IT director was fine with them pushing all their work off onto the help desk. Help desk didn't like it but frankly things went smoother when the help desk handled everything. The lazy assholes making the help desk do everything tended to completely gently caress up everything they touched.
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Shukaro posted:I think I'd much rather give students these instead of overpriced tablets to be quite honest. I'm actually amazed that for the pricepoint, noone's developed a way to use touchcover surfaces with a policy enforcement app
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Oops. I got my dropbox public links suspended for excess bandwidth usage with those server room photos. Oh well, once they're a few pages back I'm sure less people will be viewing them in rapid succession. Curse you, convenience of [timg]
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Wiggly posted:Gladly! Thanks! Right click saving it this time.
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TWBalls posted:Awesome! I'd been wanting to update that to point out the small UPS that is also suspended by strings. Obviously prepared for this eventuality: 
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Wiggly posted:Gladly! Here's an alternate explanation for this madness 
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guppy posted:I have similar concerns, but look at it in this light: it doesn't seem preposterous to suggest that having some kind of computing device is advantageous for a student, relative to not having one. You can look stuff up online, you can type papers, lots of other stuff that you and I take for granted. Now consider that a lot of students in public school systems lack any such device. Giving everyone a device of some kind starts to look like a way to significantly improve equity of opportunity for students. Maybe an iPad winds up being the best choice, maybe it doesn't, but if you've decided to take that plunge, you have to consider the logistics. What's cheapest, since deployment on this scale is a huge chunk of change no matter what you go with? What's easiest to administer? What's easiest to repair or replace? What's the most resistant to the damage that kids will inevitably inflict on it? What's easiest for students to use, both in terms of UI and logistically -- maybe they don't have a place at home to put a desktop computer, but a laptop or a tablet doesn't have that kind of physical footprint. Hungry kids don't care that some white people think being able to look up some things on wikipedia means they're set for life. This is a D&D derail so I'll just end here
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Let the LF posting begin  For content: possible YOTJ incoming! 20k raise, commute from 1 hour->15 minutes, and a TS clearance to boot. Glans Dillzig fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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