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Canuckistan posted:The drug forum TCC has a strict policy on not discussing pricing for any illicit substance. I'm not sure if that extends outside of TCC though. Is that because of legal reasons or just because when you get a bunch of potheads from around the world talking together they won't shut up about prices? This wouldn't be a "lol your getting ripped off bro" but a talk about economics.
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My understanding is that rule is about avoiding people dealing. Once you start discussing prices, it gets easier to talk about meet ups, that kind of thing. Could start getting the subforum into legal trouble. I dunno if it's kosher here. As for the news, I think it's terrible. Making it illegal to grow for individuals is a terrible policy.
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Sep 30, 2013 15:55
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/former-edmonton-cop-derek-huff-blows-whistle-on-brutality-corruption-1.1871353 Ugh. Cop viciously beats a suspect in custody, other cops who have some kind of conscience bring it up with their superiors and get run out. No matter where you go in Canada why is cop culture so hosed up? quote:"I stood up for what's right, and I just got run out of the police service,” said Derek Huff, 37. “I still can’t even really believe it.” quote:He said he and his partner were then branded as "rats" and were mocked and shunned. Huff said it got so bad, when he and Furman called for backup on the street, no one came. Pottsdam fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Sep 30, 2013 |
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Sep 30, 2013 15:58
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I heard about that file, the guy literally got Serpico'd and it's drat lucky he got out before someone killed him. It wasn't long ago that Edmonton PD was all "Oorah Professionalism!", what the gently caress happened? Where was Infernal Affairs in all of this? What burns me most is the disingenuous "Well now that it's in the media we promise to take a look at this obviously unacceptable wagon-circling."
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Sep 30, 2013 16:06
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flakeloaf posted:I heard about that file, the guy literally got Serpico'd and it's drat lucky he got out before someone killed him. It wasn't long ago that Edmonton PD was all "Oorah Professionalism!", what the gently caress happened? Where was Infernal Affairs in all of this? I keep hoping that the police services in Canada will notice that they are on the road to New Orleans and take some steps to fix their corruption controls before it gets too late. Unfortunately they are too stubborn and I think it is only a matter of time before we discover an actual criminal gang operating in a police force in the country.
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Sep 30, 2013 16:21
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And here I thought cops in Quebec just really liked motorcycles 
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Sep 30, 2013 16:27
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quote:Huff said the main instigator was Constable Jack Redlick, now 30. Before joining the Edmonton Police Service, Redlick, who is six foot three inches tall, was a hockey defenceman who was notorious for his fights on ice. SOUNDS LIKE A REAL GOOD CANADIAN KID
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Sep 30, 2013 16:38
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I'm hoping that the police services start wearing the personal cameras that I read about. Cop cams that can only be shut off by the cop(so you better have a good reason why). I feel it would be a great addition.
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Sep 30, 2013 17:19
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Excelsiortothemax posted:I'm hoping that the police services start wearing the personal cameras that I read about. Cop cams that can only be shut off by the cop(so you better have a good reason why). I feel it would be a great addition. That's not going to happen, they'll mention privacy concerns. Not their own, but other people they might film you see. The police deeply respect the privacy of everyone they interact with.
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Sep 30, 2013 17:28
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Baronjutter posted:That's not going to happen, they'll mention privacy concerns. Not their own, but other people they might film you see. The police deeply respect the privacy of everyone they interact with. They said that about dash cams. It will take time to bring them kicking and screaming to the 21st century so we shall get it done.
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Sep 30, 2013 17:32
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Excelsiortothemax posted:I'm hoping that the police services start wearing the personal cameras that I read about. Cop cams that can only be shut off by the cop(so you better have a good reason why). I feel it would be a great addition.
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Sep 30, 2013 17:37
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"But public privacy!" is a completely specious argument and gravely insulting to strawmen. The information on the cameras is collected, stored and released in accordance with the applicable federal/privincial privacy legislation. You're a public employee in a well-paid, controversial public-facing job. Your actions should be documented to hell and back.
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Sep 30, 2013 17:40
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I broke my oath and responded to someone in the Comments section on CBC who was arguing that social supports in Canada are hurting the country, and that the US would be foolish to implement anything like UHC:quote:Government is not the solution. It is the problem. The Americans should not take cues from us Canadians. In Canada, we look to the government to solve all our problems--- socialized medicine and healthcare for the poor, lazy, and deadbeats; government cheques for the unemployed, sick, and elderly; and God know what else. I responded by outlining all the benefits of social programs and how caring for those who cannot work is part of being a civilization, but another poster showed me how wrong I was: quote:Every wealthy, right wing person I know was right wing when they were poor too. This notion that poor people somehow need big government and social programs is wrong. Many low income people want lower taxes and less government so they can guide their own lives. Social programs keep people poor and THAT is wrong. People terrify me. I used to think that this kind of crazy was localized to the more southern parts of The States.
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Sep 30, 2013 19:38
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Excelsiortothemax posted:I'm hoping that the police services start wearing the personal cameras that I read about. Cop cams that can only be shut off by the cop(so you better have a good reason why). I feel it would be a great addition. "Why did you turn your camera off?" "Because <any reason the cop feels like>" "Oh, okay."
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Sep 30, 2013 19:41
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Pottsdam posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/former-edmonton-cop-derek-huff-blows-whistle-on-brutality-corruption-1.1871353 Being a rat or a snitch is pretty looked down upon in any profession, though, and I don't think that's likely to change. To my mind, this is why always-on cameras are a good thing -- there needn't be any snitches, since all the evidence is on the officer's camera.
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Sep 30, 2013 19:48
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PT6A posted:Being a rat or a snitch is pretty looked down upon in any profession, though, and I don't think that's likely to change. To my mind, this is why always-on cameras are a good thing -- there needn't be any snitches, since all the evidence is on the officer's camera. "Why did you leave your camera in the car?" "Because <any reason the cop feels like>" "Oh, okay."
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Sep 30, 2013 19:49
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THC posted:"Why did you leave your camera in the car?" "Because <any reason the cop feels like>" "Oh, okay." "Where did the footage go?" "It was <deleted routinely/deleted by accident/lost>" "Oh, okay." Just given their previous track record with regard to protecting themselves, the police cannot be trusted to police the police. Even organizations like the SIU which are staffed by former cops are suspect. The SIU only lays charges when the situation is so egregious that they can't handwave it, like the murder on the streetcar a little while ago.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:04
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THC posted:"Why did you leave your camera in the car?" "Because <any reason the cop feels like>" "Oh, okay." Have the recording system be like a black box that can only be accessed when an incident report is filed. Data offloads to a server that can only be used by certain external parties (ideally a "civilian" review board) and only if there is an incident. If the officer is not wearing it or refuses to put it on then it is considered a disciplinary offense. Best of both worlds.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:06
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Video can be a double-edged sword, though. I've been trying to find an article that came out a few weeks ago that talked about how the burden of proof in cases against police is becoming dangerously close to requiring video evidence or else it basically didn't happen. Lacking video evidence is not why police have been able to get off scott-free and having it isn't going to change matters much.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:09
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Whiteycar posted:Have the recording system be like a black box that can only be accessed when an incident report is filed. Data offloads to a server that can only be used by certain parties and only if there is an incident. If the officer is not wearing it or refuses to put it on then it is considered a disciplinary offense. Then we'll have a situation like the Queen's Park incident at the Toronto G20. Police took off their badges because they knew that being caught without a badge on carried a much lighter punishment than if someone was able to positively identify them beating someone. Lo and behold, they nailed about 90 officers for not wearing their name tags and docked them a day's pay. The ones who were beating people? None of them were punished because no one could identify them (or no one stepped forward to identify them) with their faces behind visors. So all that means is that a cop can eat a day's worth of pay to do whatever they feel like.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:09
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Lapel cameras are coming. The technology is feasible and the police "unions" won't be able to stop them. There's no compelling argument they can make to the public against them.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:10
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I think figuring out ways to ensure the police are always monitored is the wrong way to approach this.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:14
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We should cyborg the police services. It worked in Detroit, it'll work here.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:17
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Lobok posted:Video can be a double-edged sword, though. I've been trying to find an article that came out a few weeks ago that talked about how the burden of proof in cases against police is becoming dangerously close to requiring video evidence or else it basically didn't happen. We're already there. Every interview room has a camera to avoid K G B situations where the credibility or admissibility of statements given during questioning is called shady and unreliable simply because it wasn't recorded.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:28
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:I think figuring out ways to ensure the police are always monitored is the wrong way to approach this. It wouldn't address the root of the problem at all, which is the police subculture. But I don't know how one would even begin to confront that beast. As seen in the story that started this discussion, anyone who tries to make things better from the inside is ignored and ostracized, and eventually leaves for greener pastures. Those who try to change things from the outside are dismissed as ignorant bureaucrats who don't understand the unique conditions cops face. Monitoring the police doesn't even begin to fix that - it'd probably make it worse, because it fuels the idea that it's the cops versus everyone else. But until someone finds a way to address the root problem, we need to make sure cops are held accountable for their actions. That's why I'd support an effort to monitor them more closely. If it doesn't give an incentive for them to change their behaviour, it would hopefully at least give us greater means to remove "bad cops" from the organization.
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THC posted:SOUNDS LIKE A REAL GOOD CANADIAN KID Listen, if you're not Okay with Bryan Marchment or Marty McSorley being a police officer, you can get right out of this country.
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Huge Liability posted:It wouldn't address the root of the problem at all, which is the police subculture. But I don't know how one would even begin to confront that beast. As seen in the story that started this discussion, anyone who tries to make things better from the inside is ignored and ostracized, and eventually leaves for greener pastures. Those who try to change things from the outside are dismissed as ignorant bureaucrats who don't understand the unique conditions cops face. I'm sure it's the wrong way to approach it but I roll my eyes every time the police demand a new budget and use the money to buy poo poo they don't need. Or the fact police rarely walk beats anymore and act like they don't work when they loving do. I know the police union would be in the way of any significant decisions that could be made, but maybe ensuring police investigation units are not made up of former cops would be a good start.
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Sep 30, 2013 20:52
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Honestly at this point I start recording audio before an officer gets to my vehicle (throw the phone on the dash recording) or pull it out and start recording when approached by an officer. Been doing this since I was 'harassed' because I'm a young guy driving a 'sports car' (miata) and the officer refused to give name or badge number, specifically returning to my car with both the badge number and name removed when I asked for them. I just don't implicitly trust police officers anymore. That's not to say they don't do what can be a very hard (and life risking) job - I do respect that - but that I've had enough bad encounters, coupled with friends bad encounters, coupled with poo poo I see in the media, that I feel wary rather than safe when there's a cop around.
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Sep 30, 2013 21:45
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TrueChaos posted:Honestly at this point I start recording audio before an officer gets to my vehicle (throw the phone on the dash recording) or pull it out and start recording when approached by an officer. Been doing this since I was 'harassed' because I'm a young guy driving a 'sports car' (miata) and the officer refused to give name or badge number, specifically returning to my car with both the badge number and name removed when I asked for them. I love the reaction when you tell an officer the conversation is being recorded. Suddenly they become first year officers again and make sure that every syllable is clear and punctual.
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So apparently BC NDP leadership election is coming up. 1) If I gave them money earlier this year for the election, I'm a member right? I can vote? Is there a way I can make sure I can vote. 2) Who is the leftiest, bleeding-heartiest, eat-the-rich-est candiate that has a chance in hell of winning and won't shy away from running a campaign 100% based on pointing out how the BCLP ruined everything and eat children for brunch.
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We won't know the answer to #2 until they announce their bids. However, I can tell you in advance, the answer is not Gregor Robertson. Franks Happy Place fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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Whiteycar posted:Have the recording system be like a black box that can only be accessed when an incident report is filed. Data offloads to a server that can only be used by certain external parties (ideally a "civilian" review board) and only if there is an incident. If the officer is not wearing it or refuses to put it on then it is considered a disciplinary offense. Stream it directly to YouTube.
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Fine-able Offense posted:However, I can tell you in advance, the answer is not Gregor Robertson. That so? I mean I'm sure there are going to be many candidates to the left of him (he did get elected in Vancouver after all, that pretty much precludes going too far either side), but I liked the general direction he was taking the city during his tenure - like at least he set out to deal with homelessness by way of mental health. It was more talk than walk it turns out, but that's still miles better than most of his constituents...
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Oct 1, 2013 00:09
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Mr. Wynand posted:That so? I mean I'm sure there are going to be many candidates to the left of him (he did get elected in Vancouver after all, that pretty much precludes going too far either side), but I liked the general direction he was taking the city during his tenure - like at least he set out to deal with homelessness by way of mental health. It was more talk than walk it turns out, but that's still miles better than most of his constituents... You mean doing housing things like closing Little Mountain, kicking out all of the residents, and handing it over to his buddies the big property developers? It's not even the only one, they're set to close another social housing project that's full of mostly single mothers. It's absolutely disgusting how much social housing has been lost under Vision. Vision Vancouver is a machine created to greenwash their naked handjobs for the development industry, nothing more. On any land-use issue they are completely indistinguishable from the NPA.
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Fine-able Offense posted:You mean doing housing things like closing Little Mountain, kicking out all of the residents, and handing it over to his buddies the big property developers? It's not even the only one, they're set to close another social housing project that's full of mostly single mothers. It's absolutely disgusting how much social housing has been lost under Vision. Well you have to have a housing plan for the homeless when you have a plan to tear down all the social housing. It only makes sense. I am expecting him to win the nomination, as he would be par for the course for the BCNDP.
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Uh, you guys apparently don't realize that agencies in Canada are actually already in the process of evaluating body worn video. And ironically, EPS is the first agency to my knowledge who are actually street testing them. They've been in use for months now. And for those who are concerned about police subculture (a very valid concern), comfort yourself in the knowledge that despite some people's interpretation, it has been improving steadily since the invention of police forces. Those with rose coloured glasses who think that police have been getting worse are far off the mark. Every generation of new officers has been improving the quality of service in Canada. This isn't to say that the situation is perfect right now - there are still lots of changes that need to be made. But things are improving, even if it doesn't seem that way.
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They are testing those cameras in Edmonton right now. The way they are doing it is that the cameras are usually off and it is up to the police officer to turn them on when they have to deal with a member of the public. They had a radio interview with some police officials where they gave all the reasons they didn't want to be filmed while at work. They included: - The cameras make members of the public hostile towards the police officers because they are being filmed without their permission. - The cameras are mounted on the front of their protective vests which gives an incomplete picture of what is going on around them - IE. "I'm not always looking straight forward" - Something about how they already have so much equipment hanging off of them that it's dangerous to start fumbling around with yet another thing. And I'm sure a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting. They talked for the best part of the hour about how they didn't think the cameras were safe. They might have a point in each case but it's getting so that people are becoming afraid of the police and the public needs something to show that they are being held accountable. I would hate for things to get like they are in the States - I was on a cruise last year talking to some americans and it's ridiculous how much hatred they have for their police force. People down there feel uneasy about leaving their homes at night because they are worried about having a run in with the cops.
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Mr. Wynand posted:So apparently BC NDP leadership election is coming up. 1) I think you have to actually signed a membership form dealio - if you can call the number on the website they'll tell you if you are eligible. 2) Not sure yet. Dream is that Cullen decides that Federal is too much travelling and moves into Provincial Politics 
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Breaking News! Conservative Senator is corrupt? Wait, that's not breaking news anymore, is it? Conservative Senator Leo Housakos denies involvement in questionable fundraising in Quebec posted:Conservative Senator Leo Housakos solicited tens of thousands of dollars' worth of questionable construction industry donations for a Quebec provincial party immediately prior to his appointment to the upper house in 2008, according to one of the star witnesses at the Quebec inquiry into municipal and provincial corruption. Rather it had been a Con MP, but hey, I'll still take it.
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You know what, I'm calling it. Andrew Coyne is a loving moron. He's basically hailing the Tea Party as representative of American politics, completely missing the MASSIVELY gerrymandered districts they come from. We're talking districts in which the Republicans win by 30 points, and the closest the politically active come to disputing the election is voting in the Republican primary. The effect is a violent shift of the Overton window to the right. That's how they get in, and it has nothing to do with America as a whole. So that's it. Coyne is a loving moron, because any politico should know this.quote:“Nothing is ever settled in this town,” George Shultz, Ronald Reagan’s secretary of state and a veteran of the political wars, once advised. In Washington, defeat is always temporary. You lose a vote, you win the next. Win a vote, and your opponents will that day be plotting its repeal. For the next election is never more than two years away, and before that are the primaries, and …
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