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Sham bam bamina! posted:Jeez, save it for your PHIL 105 or whatever classroom and quit making GBS threads up the thread. Sorry, I thought you guys might to want to talk about how this kind of thing or at least how weird it was and the stuff I was talking about might be pertinent. I don't want to thread poo poo though, I'm sorry again. platedlizard posted:No actually we don't want to talk about this kind of thing here. Both because it's gross, and because this sort of poo poo was one of the reasons why the last thread got gassed. Understood. Sorry for bothering you all. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Sep 30, 2013 |
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Josef bugman posted:Sorry, I thought you guys might to want to talk about how this kind of thing or at least how weird it was and the stuff I was talking about might be pertinent. No actually we don't want to talk about this kind of thing here. Both because it's gross, and because this sort of poo poo was one of the reasons why the last thread got gassed. e. Content. One of the things that really annoys me about TVTropes is how someone will come along and make little comments about the examples. Like this: quote:Not My Lucky Day Seriously, what is the loving point of that? It detracts from the example given and doesn't appear to have been an event in the episode. So why add it? platedlizard fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 30, 2013 |
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Fanfic: Kyon: Big drat Hero Fanservice, Beam Sabres, Stable Time Loops, and the Unsubtle Harem Plot. "Count the tropes! Save, collect, trade for swell prizes!" Kyon: Big drat Hero is the result of creating a crossover between Haruhi Suzumiya and TV Tropes.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Fanfic: Kyon: Big drat Hero
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Did they seriously name a fanfiction after a TV Trope named after a Firefly line? They loving love that trope, so I have no doubt believing that they would name an entire serie of books, with a spin-off TV show and movie franchise after it.
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The page informs me that it used to be on fanfiction.net but is no longer posted there because it received negative reviews. How terrible do you have to be for even fanfiction.net to say  ?FrozenVent posted:They loving love that trope, so I have no doubt believing that they would name an entire serie of books, with a spin-off TV show and movie franchise after it. You're not far off the mark, you just didn't adjust enough for the fact that we're dealing with anime-obsessed tropers: quote:Thanks to hardworking forum goers, there is now a Visual Novelnote Technically a Kinetic Novel adaptation! Volume 1 has been released, covering everything up to the first half of chapter 5. It can be found here.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The page informs me that it used to be on fanfiction.net but is no longer posted there because it received negative reviews. I always heard that it was the other way around, that the author removed it because he couldn't get decent criticism to save his life, only the usual "OMG so gud, write moar!". On the one hand, FFN removes nothing because of negative reviews (baring fics that are literally cannibalistic murder fantasies), on the other hand, it would be such a TVT thing to pull your fic in a huff because the "this is garbage" reviews aren't ~real criticism~
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ArchangeI posted:I always heard that it was the other way around, that the author removed it because he couldn't get decent criticism to save his life, only the usual "OMG so gud, write moar!". On the one hand, FFN removes nothing because of negative reviews (baring fics that are literally cannibalistic murder fantasies), on the other hand, it would be such a TVT thing to pull your fic in a huff because the "this is garbage" reviews aren't ~real criticism~ It says the author pulled it (or, rather, left the old chapters there but stopped posting new ones) "Due to negative reception". No troper will ever stop posting somewhere just because they only get shallow "10/10 you are the best! next chapter pls" reviews, otherwise they wouldn't be tropers anymore. Looking at the page again, though, it does claim that the negative reception was for the author's opinions, not the author's works. It doesn't say what those opinions were, or mention much else about the author other than the fans supposedly worship him. Maybe "thinks lovely writing is good" was the opinion they didn't like? Or maybe they were all just jealous of this gorgeous art:  Kyon: Big drat Mero They even have a page just for lovely fanart of this lovely fanfic. Browsing the trope list it sounds like the fanfic is an excuse to list trope names while having a bunch of schoolgirls make out with one guy and each other. This is distinct from normal troper fanfics, which are normally just an excuse to include as many tropes as possible (to later be listed on TVTropes itself) while having a bunch of schoolgirls make out with one guy and each other. I'm not even sure what the point of the "crossover with TVTropes" gimmick is meant to be. As far as I know, it's not something that usually happens in other fanfiction communities - are there fanfics about anime characters posting on Gaia Online? On the other hand, it doesn't seem to have any purpose other than spamming the text with Everything's Better With Capitalized Trope Names - this isn't exactly Pale Fire here. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 30, 2013 |
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When I see that picture, all I think of that photo of Rottweiler with his coat and sword.
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oldpainless posted:Firefly was Joss Whedon too right? Joss Whedon, Dr. Who, and anime. It's like their Holy Trinity.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Looking at the page again, though, it does claim that the negative reception was for the author's opinions, not the author's works. It doesn't say what those opinions were, or mention much else about the author other than the fans supposedly worship him. Maybe "thinks lovely writing is good" was the opinion they didn't like? Or maybe they were all just jealous of this gorgeous art: I'm reminded of another fanfic which used to be very popular on TV Tropes called Dumbledore's Army In the Year Of Darkness (DAYD), which had a number of sequels. It was meant to explain what Neville, Ginny, Luna and the rest of Dumbledore's Army were doing during the events of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. I recall it was fairly stereotypical grimdark slog, by and large, and as you might expect there were a lot of "Why couldn't this have been the real Book 7? It's so much better!" comments peppered throughout the site on pages where it was mentioned. Now, the especially unsettling thing about this particular fanfiction was that its writer was basically a cult leader, and the fanfic was supposedly meant to be some kind of manifesto.
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DaveWoo posted:Joss Whedon, Dr. Who, and anime. It's like their Holy Trinity. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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DaveWoo posted:Joss Whedon, Dr. Who, and anime. It's like their Holy Trinity. In the pilot episode of the S.H.I.E.L.D. television show one of the characters literally refers to a character's source of his powers as his "origin story" in full winking-at-the-camera quippyness. Joss Whedon is truly the patron saint of Tropers.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:In the pilot episode of the S.H.I.E.L.D. television show one of the characters literally refers to a character's source of his powers as his "origin story" in full winking-at-the-camera quippyness. I'll never listen to anyone who tells me Whedon is anything but a lucky hack.
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How's that? He's done some all right work I've thought, but he's definitely not as great as the internet has made him think he is.
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Joss Whedon is definitely overrated by his fans, but I've never understood the backlash against him. He seems to be pretty good at what he does. I first heard of him because of Dr. Horrible, and unless you count Toy Story (he was the fourth of four writers on that I think, no idea how much if any he contributed) that's still my favorite thing he's done.
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Flesnolk posted:How's that? He's done some all right work I've thought, but he's definitely not as great as the internet has made him think he is. I agree, I'm not a fan of most of his work and think he's pretty overrated, but he has turned out some great stuff like Cabin in the Woods.
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I think the problem is he gets credit like this: "Where Scream put a postmodern twist on slasher films, The Cabin In The Woods takes on the whole genre and twists even harder... The script brings to the fore Whedons love of subverting clichιs while embracing them and teasing out their deeper meaning." (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-cabin-in-the-woods,72287/) And it's really inaccurate. I think Cabin in the Woods was a pretty good movie too, but it says gently caress all about horror cliches other than that they exist. It was really frustrating when they bring up all the archetypes at the end, and let the fact that the only female archetypes are both sexual in nature (virgin and slut) pass without comment. A lot of his stuff feels like that. He brings up cliches or stereotypes or problems, but fails to analyze or challenge them in any meaningful way.
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Metal Loaf posted:Now, the especially unsettling thing about this particular fanfiction was that its writer was basically a cult leader, and the fanfic was supposedly meant to be some kind of manifesto. Woah. A fanfic cult? How would one go about joining this fine religion?
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Flesnolk posted:How's that? He's done some all right work I've thought, but he's definitely not as great as the internet has made him think he is. Because for every Cabin in the Woods he's made he churned out ten lovely "HEY HEY I'M POINTING A TROPE OUT, I'm not DOING anything with it but I'm pointing it out!" wink to the camera filled episodes of 'sexy lady punches things'.
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Dean of Swing posted:Woah. A fanfic cult? How would one go about joining this fine religion? http://failfandomanonwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/65995575/Thanfiction One survivor has a blog. http://kumquatwriter.wordpress.com/ (Just look for the Andrew Blake stuff, not the stuff about her life) And I like Whedon. Firefly was great, and I recently got into Buffy and have watched the first three seasons. It's pretty cool, I like the plots and dialogue, and as a woman I like the way he treats female characters. The backlash is probably just because there are people out there who are  obsessed with him, which is lame, but he's not a bad writer.
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Rather than just argue about Whedon, how about some content. I went and looked up Cabin in the Woods, and check out the first page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/search_r...n+in+the+woods. It is entirely full of entries, headed Film, WMG, Trivia, Characters, Headscratchers, Fridge, Funny, Nightmare Fuel (duh, it's a horror movie), YMMV and Awesome. I decided to give them some credit and clicked on 'Fridge', since 'Fridge Logic' is supposed to be the moment of 'Hey, now I think about it that doesn't make sense,' and the movie has moments like that. But you know what it's a list of? 'Fridge Brilliance'. No spotting issues, not for them: it just gets cleverer as it goes along! It's full of shout-outs they can feel clever for spotting! Which is why Whedon is so loved and also why people are so sick of him, I think. His real skill is on playing the audience. He's a third-generation TV writer and highly professional, and he plays like a pro on people who are way too easy to manipulate. And of course you can slip things past them. Look at the academic, brilliant, smartest-guy-in-the-room debate they had on the 'Fridge' page: quote:-Why did the Kyoto incident fail? Remember that most of the "victims" were about nine years old. This can be a reference to Infant Immortality. However, this can also be a reference to Defanged Horrors; watch the scene where they turn the Stringy-Haired Ghost Girl into a frog apparently with the Power of Friendship, note that there were no casualities, and then watch your typical scary movie directed at children. In other words? While they invoked J-horror tropes, the scenario turned into a Lighter and Softer Defanged Horrors version instead! All right, so maybe that's not fair. There's also 'Headscratchers.' Maybe somebody notices the blind spots. Let's see... quote:-Ignoring the ending, how would the concept of a "sequel" be handled? The film itself has been said to be a metaphor of horror films and their audiences so how would this business go around preparing a "sequel" should a previous survivor return to the area days, months or years later? Ah gently caress it. Wait, wait, one more thing: one person on that page seems to raise a decent thematic point: quote:Humans are more important than Humanity" that's the movie team's explanation for the clusterfuck that is the final few minutes?!? Two scared, pathetic little teens are worth more than all the other Seven Billion people in the world!?!? We are supposed to see that rear end in a top hat pothead's actions as a triumph?!? There are men and women and children, with beautiful, fufilling lives, only possible because someone has the duty to keep the wolves out of the sheepfold, and Marty and Dana are right to let them all die?!? They're both gonna die anyway if the Eldritch Abomination gets out, so the two "humans", if they even deserve to be called that at the end, don't even win, they drag the world down with them out of spite. (My problem with the ending, in case I'm not being clear, is that Dana and Marty, as well as the directive team, act as though people are the problem, Dana even says "give someone else a chance". Who else, bitch? Once the Ancients finish slaughtering humanity, they'll just go and torture the next group of Sapients. The evil gods are what makes this necessary, not their victims, and they aren't gonna give anyone else "a chance". And I don't see how Word of God can justify their claim those two selfish, hateful monsters' prides are more valuable than all life on Earth. If they hadn't said that, I wouldn't even be making this outburst, I would just take the Downer Ending at face value, but they did say that, they said that Marty and Dana had a triumph in killing themselves and the rest of Humanity, and that they as individuals are worth more than the human race as a whole, and that statement makes me sick. A pair of self-righteous Nietzche Wannabes decide that the entire world should die if they have to, and were expected to accept that as a good, disgusting. If you could knock off calling girls 'bitch' and edit it down to about a fifth of its length, that might actually be an interesting debate point. What are the answers? quote:We never really get to see this "world" we're supposed to care about. Maybe in this univers it's more crapsack. Ah gently caress it. Apple Tree fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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Thanks to TVTropes' "no notability" rule, a lot of fanfics have pages just like actual books or shows. If a series is mildly popular, there will usually be one or two pages for specific fanfics of it; if a series is very popular, there might be a half-dozen or a dozen; and for a few really popular (among tropers) series, like Evangelion or Homestuck, there might be about twenty. Out of curiosity, I decided to see how many My Little Pony fanfics had their own separate pages. Three hundred and seventy-seven. And most of those have several additional subpages. And that's just regular fanfics; when you include fan visual novels, fan webcomics, fan play by post games, fan music, fan videos, fan sites, fan blogs, and other assorted bullshit that also have their own separate pages, the number goes up to four hundred and eighty-six. For comparison, TVTropes has only four hundred and six pages for pre-20th century literature. All the world's classical literature across thousands of years of civilization, up through and including the 19th century, is given less attention than pony fanfics. But maybe I'm being unfair and these fanfics are good enough to deserve all the attention they get? Fan Fic: Battleships Universe posted:The Battleships Universe is a series of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fanfics by totallynotabrony. The story begins in Battleships are Magic, where a modern human battleship ends up in Equestria right as a war begins. Fan Fic: Equestria Total War posted:Equestria: Total War is a My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fanfiction written by emkajii. Feeling threatened by the highly magical nature of Equestria, the Kingdom of Gryphonia has launched an all-out invasion. The bearers of the elements of harmony find themselves impressed into service as leaders of the newly created Equestrian army in an effort to repel the invading forces. Unfortunately, they find themselves woefully unprepared for the ravages of war and struggle to remain true to the virtues that they represent. Fan Fic: The Great Slave King posted:The Great Slave King, written by TalonMach5, opens with Andrew King a regular guy somehow ending up in Equestria. Captured by diamond dogs and forced to work as a slave, King eventually escapes after many years in captivity, but loses his friend and adopted daughter in the process. On the verge of dying of dehydration, he unknowingly stumbles across the Well of Eternity, ascending to godhood and setting in motion a chain of events that will permanently change the world. Fan Fic: Fallout: Equestria - Project Horizons posted:Project Horizons is a Recursive Fanfiction for Fallout: Equestria by Somber, and is currently a work in progress. There are Shakespeare plays that still don't have their own pages, but sure, your rapefics are important too. e: Fan Fic: Fallout: Equestria - Project Horizons posted:Scotch Tape - a young filly who hasn't even gotten her cutiemark yet - has had multiple sexual encounters with both genders. Excuse me, I meant pedorapefics. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Oct 1, 2013 |
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COBRARocky posted:http://web.archive.org/web/20110226124822/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroperTales/BrilliantButLazy
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COBRARocky posted:This loving hat.
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Ugh every time I hear people being proud about "Brilliant but Lazy", I'm reminded of myself in high school. Turns out it doesn't really impress any teacher when you don't turn in work all semester. I think part of it is that Tropers see themselves as above doing menial schoolwork each day and should only be given EPIC CHALLENGES TO TEST THEIR LIMITLESS INTELLIGENCE. Even if your homework is piss easy, doing it is a sign of personal responsibility and respect to the teacher, something I wish I had known in school.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I'm convinced that it's an attempt to give their amorphous bodies definition, a bit like George Lucas's beard. It's this, same reason fat guys with round faces have goatees.
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COBRARocky posted:http://web.archive.org/web/20110225120453/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TroperTales/BewareTheNiceOnes Weep for the 33 pencils.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:But maybe I'm being unfair and these fanfics are good enough to deserve all the attention they get? Most of those pages are the result of people going "I want more people to read my fanfic, and TV Tropes isn't going to stop me from advertising it because of its notability clause. So..." Speaking of unneeded fanfic pages... Knight of Lolicon posted:Mike is an everyguy who still holes up with his parents. When some day he decides to smash all those stereotypes and go out for an adventure, he finds and saves a rather stunning girl from falling down a bridge and cracking her head, by painfully cushioning her. As the lass has lost her memory (prior to her encounter with Mike) the boy names her 'Linda' (Spanish for 'pretty') and takes her in to his house. No parents of her's around, no clue about them except for a mysterious letter... 'Just sleep a night, and then everything will be alright'. They do so and when they awake... a whole animated world gives them a non-welcome. Mike makes a pact with the resident Mentor Mascot: 'Shonenji, Genderiel of Shonen' in exchange for power to help Linda... and now he has to find all Genderiels and restore their goddess: the Goddess of Lolicon, in the off chance that she has the way to return them home. Along the way, a rival appears: the evil Lord Xig-Lem, who thinks about lolis as just sex dolls, and his helper: a corrupted Genderiel called Shojonoe. "They're not sex objects!" says the person who wrote an entire fanfic series centered around the concept of being attracted to little girls... Knight of Lolicon posted:Alternative Character Interpretation: Invoked by the author. The fic runs on the idea that the very first fictional Lolita (Dolores Haze) was a real person that died and became some kind of goddess/overseer of the Toon World, after her soul was cleansed, to represent the Lolicon phenomemon... On the same note, Humbert is bleached into being a hero for supossedly turning his sexual love into the fatherly kind, and shooting the 'villain' who was trying to, you know... make his daughter star a porn film. Mazz, on the discussion page posted:I was cleaning up this, but I reached Gag Boobs and kind of hit a snag. This page was a candidate for deletion at one point for being incoherent pedoshit, but was kept. This was brought up in an earlier thread, but it's worth bringing up again because... buh.
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Not really a huge thing content-wise, but these things stuck out to me for some reason. Somebody points out that Gendo Ikari is listed as a "Woobie" (ick), I go to check and- quote:Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds: Definitely in the manga. ...Okay. They don't explain why it's the case for just the manga, which is another thing that's pretty annoying. It seems like they assume that other fans of the thing they're writing about are reading this and don't feel the need to expand on what they said. What IS Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, anyway? quote:This is a character who wants to destroy everything and everyone in the story, and is suddenly in a position to do so (on a small or large scale); but in contrast to the Ax Crazy Omnicidal Maniac, he/she has some plausible, outright tragic reason to do so. In some cases, the other characters outright sympathize with this one (whether or not the audience does too is out of the equation here), all the while accepting that they must be stopped. Sometimes, the character is even portrayed as likeable, just...not with the right mindset. Can somebody please tell me how Gendo Ikari fits the bolded part? I don't get it-....wait, what's that last thing? quote:Note: This trope is no longer considered YMMV, because not all examples here need to be sympathetic to the audience. ....But...wait. The entire reason why the Woobie subsets even exist is because the audience is supposed to sympathize with them. Isn't it? Isn't that what it's supposed to mean? Why does this get special treatment? Why should Gendo be considered a Woobie at all? Why doesn't this website follow its own goddamn asinine rules? I'm not even angry, just severely confused. Bonus: quote:Yandere: For Yui. Yandere. He's Yandere for Yui. Not obsessive. Not Japanese enough. Gotta be Yandere. I don't even know where the hell they get this, unless they're going by Yui dying and Gendo planning to bring about instrumentality so he can be with her again. And if that's the case, that's not...quite the word they're looking for.
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Adnachiel posted:Most of those pages are the result of people going "I want more people to read my fanfic, and TV Tropes isn't going to stop me from advertising it because of its notability clause. So..." Same thing with self published stuff. I once knew a guy who bragged about inserting as many tropes from the site as possible into his work so he could advertise it in as many trope pages as possible. I don't think that plan really worked out for him though. (He was also the sort of guy who watched terrible fanservicey anime because he was bored with regular stories after reading TVTropes and realizing that nothing is original or whatever, so make of that what you will)
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quote:Alternative Character Interpretation: Invoked by the author. The fic runs on the idea that the very first fictional Lolita (Dolores Haze) was a real person that died and became some kind of goddess/overseer of the Toon World, after her soul was cleansed, to represent the Lolicon phenomemon... On the same note, Humbert is bleached into being a hero for supossedly turning his sexual love into the fatherly kind, and shooting the 'villain' who was trying to, you know... make his daughter star a porn film. Does anything on there say why something like this was kept or is it just...man, I dunno. I can't even say anything witty about this. They totally got rid of the creepy porn stuff, you guys!
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Srice posted:Same thing with self published stuff. I once knew a guy who bragged about inserting as many tropes from the site as possible into his work so he could advertise it in as many trope pages as possible. Wait... he actually altered his work so he could pad it with tropes? Did it not occur to him that he could simply fudge examples of tropes that are kind of what happens in his work, you know, like about 80% of trope examples?
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DStecks posted:Wait... he actually altered his work so he could pad it with tropes? Did it not occur to him that he could simply fudge examples of tropes that are kind of what happens in his work, you know, like about 80% of trope examples? Not so much altered as much as he looked up trope pages while he wrote so he could fit those into the story. ...I'm not sure which is worse, honestly.
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