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I got to the second point when I had to stop and point something out: quote:If it weren't for them, however, her life would be extremely and utterly dull, since she only thing she really does in her spare time is her chores. So basically, a typical female human Tsundere protagonist. You ever notice how tropers tend to call women "females" but they call men "guys" or "men" or "dudes" or whatever? Also, that this troper in particular had to classify this Akemi Segawa character as a "human"?
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Maple Leaf posted:You ever notice how tropers tend to call women "females" but they call men "guys" or "men" or "dudes" or whatever? Also, that this troper in particular had to classify this Akemi Segawa character as a "human"? Funny, I was just about to post something from a Troper work called "The Reason Why" in which apparently everyone's a "girl" instead of, God forbid, a "woman": quote:A story about three girls: 1) Seriously, a character old enough to have a daughter is called a "schoolgirl?" (Especially weirdly, she's described on the character page as an "old woman," so who the hell knows.) 2) "Child-girl" may be the most ham-handed way of describing a female child that I've ever seen. Then again, I guess when a woman old enough to have an adolescent daughter is a "schoolgirl," you've really boxed yourself in when it comes to describing an eight-year-old. Then again, this may be the least of this story's problems given the following charming dialogue: quote:Incest Is Relative: Chrissie's all for it, but Allura knows the mere concept is wrong. Of course, the character page specifies that both of these characters are actually centuries upon centuries old, so clearly that makes that okay, right? Stay classy, Tropers! This also appears to be a side story of a lengthy, bizarre series of fanfics, most of which involve Doctor Who/Azumanga Daioh crossovers (really?), Pokemon, and/or the author as a main character, and at least a few of which were never actually written. I'm not sure how deep this rabbit hole goes.
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Antivehicular posted:2) "Child-girl" may be the most ham-handed way of describing a female child that I've ever seen. Younglings 
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I hope troper tales are fair game. Because here are some stories of the world not accepting that they're just different.quote:[[@/Template:Sharysa In a strange example, this troper]] has only met half of her mother's expectations: She wanted an ambitious, smart, hard-working daughter. This troper is female, and is currently a LazyGenius mixed with DeadpanSnarker who focuses more on the arts than practical things. Subsequently she tends to get nagged about a) finding a real job after a few years despite the fact that she likes working at a craft store, b) going to college and getting instructed in nursing or some other high-demand job instead of acting and music, and c) actually taking the test for her driver's license. Also that she's too young to be forgetting things so often, she shouldn't spend so much time on the computer, and she should be more social--but the first three are the main priority. The implications that her very existence is only half-satisfactory makes this troper wish she had enough money to move out. quote:This female editor sincerely believes that her parents love her, but they have stated that they had hoped for a calm, ambitious, obedient and hardworking daughter. Instead they got me, who goes by impulses and emotions (but still using a common sense, of course), BrilliantButLazy DeadpanSnarker, talented in writing and really stubborn with UnstoppableRage a short fuse. And if her nature wouldn't be enough, she is PerkyGoth NightmareFetishist who has strange tastes. She often gets bashed about : 1) Wasting time on daydreaming and writing or not putting those writing skills to good use but wasting them in the 'fantasy-babble' as they say. 2) Being too lazy (oh I have ambition, but I don't like to waste it in things I see uninteresting) 3) Being unsocial and withdrawn or 4) Liking the TimBurton wrong NightmareFetishist things. This troper can't recall how many times she has heard the phrase "Why can't you be like your brother? He wasn't this hard at all and! Try to be normal once in a while." quote:This Troper knows his parents wanted him to be like his siblings; a SharpDressedMan smart dressed, PatrioticFervor patriotic, StraightMan straight man who would go on to University, go and a find a job, find a wife of the same nationality and raise the ideal british family, what they got instead was a BlindWithoutEm short-sighted TheDandy Metrosexual SmugStraightEdge Template:Otaku with NewAgeRetroHippie tendencies who dropped out of high school the instant he could, has an DiscoDan obsession with the 80's (Despite being born in the 90's), MixedMarriage is marrying his Japanese girlfriend (Who is a real life Template:Meganekko UpToEleven taken to the EXTREME) and who is not patriotic about his country in the slightest as he has no problem in voicing his opinion that "CrapsackWorld This Country CrapsackWorld SUCKS". Needless to say, he considers himself to be the BlackSheep of his family and is probably TheUnFavourite in his parents eyes too. When his Mother finally asked him "SiblingYinYang Why can't you be more like your Brothers?", he responded with "Because I'm PrecisionFStrike fuckThisIsForEmphasisBitch ing me".
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These people are 50% accurate in their "BrilliantButLazy" self-assessment.
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AlbieQuirky posted:These people are 50% accurate in their "BrilliantButLazy" self-assessment. It's just another failure to see things in fiction holistically. They see poo poo like Rudy and they get two points: A teacher calls Rudy a dreamer. And dreamers don't achieve. Rudy goes out and achieves. And they miss the whole part where Rudy stops sitting around dreaming about Notre Dame when his friend is killed in the mill accident. He spends the rest of the movie running into obstacles headlong in this pursuit. That's what makes him inspiring. He sees a goal and he pursues it despite ridicule and a lack of talent. Take all the ones that say they get crap for "writing fantasy dribble". If they were entering writing contests, getting critiques from a writing club that wasn't TVTropes, and submitting poo poo to people they would not be wasting their time even if they were writing elfbooks. But they're dreamers and romantics. Which means they don't have to try and that book/movie deal will just fall on their heads when someone reads their awesome Trope page and passes it to an exec.
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Antivehicular posted:2) "Child-girl" may be the most ham-handed way of describing a female child that I've ever seen. Then again, I guess when a woman old enough to have an adolescent daughter is a "schoolgirl," you've really boxed yourself in when it comes to describing an eight-year-old. Odd, because "boy-child" and "girl-child" are normal enough (if somewhat uncommon) ways of describing children. "Child-girl" or "Child-boy" just sounds foolish. The "Precision F Strike" trope gets on my nerves. "Look at me! Look at how grown up I am! I'm using... bad language! But it's a one-off thing, mind you, I'm not like those JERK JOCKS and RAPPERS!"
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AlbieQuirky posted:These people are 50% accurate in their "BrilliantButLazy" self-assessment. I love how it is always coupled with "Deadpan Snarker"; it's like these guys watched Clerks and thought Randal was the wittiest motherfucker to grace the 90's and not some delusional loser pissing away his life. Actually, let's check the page for Clerks. TV Tropes posted:Brilliant, but Lazy: Randal. Cunning, manipulative, acid-tongued, and very obviously whip-smart, yet content with his lot in life as a store clerk (and he doesn't even take that seriously). Ding ding ding.
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crowfeathers posted:he responded with "Because I'm PrecisionFStrike fuckThisIsForEmphasisBitch ing me" Even though this is probably STDH, I do like that he had to clarify gently caress with two tropes about saying gently caress although it makes it sound like he said: 'Because I'm gently caress loving me'
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Geokinesis posted:Even though this is probably STDH, I do like that he had to clarify gently caress with two tropes about saying gently caress although it makes it sound like he said: I think he put two different links in the first and second half of the same word.
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That Mermaid Problem analysis page is gone, but the link to it still shows up on the Analysis index. Tropers seem pretty bad at erasing the evidence of their poo poo. They did the same thing with their page for the "Hooker Verse" (a fanfic about real-life lovely internet reviewers being gay prostitutes or something), deleting the page but leaving one of the alt namespace redirects alive and leaving a link to it on at least one index. You'd think they'd have enough practice burning evidence by now to know how to do it right. But enough about what they don't have Analysis pages for anymore - let's have a look at what they do, and what happens when a troper stops sperging about power levels and decides to try their hand at actual analysis. Analysis: Sherlock posted:Sherlock as Speculative Fiction Well, we're off to a great start. (Crack Fic is troper-speak for where someone makes a fanfic that is intentionally bizarre and ~wacky~ and implausible and stupid; their main example involves Hitler going super-saiyan. Apparently you'd have to be on crack to move the setting forward a hundred years.) Analysis: Sherlock posted:Metafiction and Magic Realism "BBC Sherlock makes a joking nod to the original Sherlock Holmes stories, does this mean it's a metafictional magic realism masterpiece in which the characters were in-story magically transported from the 19th century to the 21st and Moriarty has super-fourth-wall-breaking-powers?" Analysis: Sherlock posted:There are also elements of superhero stories, particularly in the first episode, with all this talk about Sherlock having an “arch-nemesis”. Moriarty’s camp, hammy, card-carrying villain persona, meanwhile, is separated from Saturday morning cartoon baddies only by his terrifying competence. The Sherlock Scan, too, is subject to superhero tropes, including Power Incontinence (Sherlock can’t turn it off) as well as a sort of Kryptonite Factor (when he meets Irene Adler). John’s blog, in fact, has an entire case centered around comic books and super heroes (the comments on the post reveal the appreciative client’s intent to create a comic book based on Sherlock and John’s adventures; a fun little nod to the official manga adaptation.) note All of these allusions seem to be designed to emphasise Sherlock’s Otherness and apparent lack of humanity. When I hear Sherlock Holmes talk about his arch-nemesis, I know the first thing that comes to my mind is Lex Luthor. And when a character that other characters refer to as having Aspergers doesn't know how to react to a nude lady, I am reminded of nothing other than The ultimate goal of this 2300-word essay is to prove that Sherlock is Speculative Fiction, and the bulk of it is by comparing it to Doctor Who (with which it shares a writer). Many extremely compelling parallels are noted - for example, Sherlock had a tall thin henchman once, and Doctor Who once had tall thin aliens; and both shows have had manipulative villains. Plus, Doctor Who referenced Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories, and if that's not proof enough that they're pretty much the same show then I don't know what is. Eventually, after noting a handful of these deep connections, they reach their conclusion: Analysis: Sherlock posted:Perhaps it sounds as though I’m going off on a random tangent about how they got Sherlock in my Doctor Who, but, I assure you, this is leading back to my main point. Eventually. (Oh my god shut up.) Analysis: Sherlock posted:You see, a recurring trend that seems to occur between the two shows is that Moffat and Co. will germinate the seeds of an idea in an episode of Sherlock, explore the concept to its real-world limits, and later transplant it into Doctor Who with a fantasy twist. Sherlock contains the foundations of many interesting speculative fiction concepts, and it is absolutely fascinating to watch these ideas get re-interpreted in another context. Part of what makes many of Moffat’s Who episodes so terrifying is that they have a foundation in real-life philosophical and psychological concepts, and likewise, what makes Sherlock so thrilling is that it teeters right on the edge of plausibility- it constantly threatens to jump headfirst into the speculative and the supernatural, but is always pulled back into the realm of possibility right at the last minute. Ah, yes, we germinated the seeds of a weird thin guy in Sherlock and then transplanted them to a sci-fi setting where they could be even weirder and thinner. At any rate, the argument here seems to horribly miss the point of speculative fiction, which is to take things that exist in the real world and extrapolate them beyond what is possibly in reality. The fact that it's possible to find elements of Sherlock with exaggerated parallels in a sci-fi setting doesn't say anything at all about Sherlock because the whole point of sci-fi is being able to do that with anything. The analogy they're trying to construct here - "Doctor Who is scary because it's based on real life, therefore Sherlock must be scary because it's based on space fantasy" - does not work, and betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of pretty much everything. Eventually, the author runs out of arguments as strong as "Sherlock makes a joke about Doyle's stories", "Sherlock is good at what he does and says he has an arch-nemesis", and "Sherlock has manipulative villains, just like Doctor Who has mind-control" to prove that Sherlock is magic realism speculative metafiction something something it's really deep you guys, and decides to wrap it up: Analysis: Sherlock posted:Looking at the fan output alone, one could quite easily be forgiven for assuming it was, for example, a dark romantic comedy, a delightful series of children’s picture books about a clever little otter, or hardcore pornography note (this author has thankfully yet to confirm the existence of fanwork that incorporates all three of these elements, but is willing to bet that it does or will exist somewhere in the depths of the Internet). Well now I'm convinced.
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Well it's good to know that Fast Eddie is still sweating profusely and panicking as he reads this thread. Delete loving everything indeed.
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quote:There are also elements of superhero stories, particularly in the first episode, with all this talk about Sherlock having an “arch-nemesis”. Moriarty’s camp, hammy, card-carrying villain persona, meanwhile, is separated from Saturday morning cartoon baddies only by his terrifying competence. The Sherlock Scan, too, is subject to superhero tropes, including Power Incontinence (Sherlock can’t turn it off) as well as a sort of Kryptonite Factor (when he meets Irene Adler). John’s blog, in fact, has an entire case centered around comic books and super heroes (the comments on the post reveal the appreciative client’s intent to create a comic book based on Sherlock and John’s adventures; a fun little nod to the official manga adaptation.) note All of these allusions seem to be designed to emphasise Sherlock’s Otherness and apparent lack of humanity. There have been Sherlock adaptations in comic books/strips since the 50's, but you know, anime.
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So when is sherlock going to fight slenderman while also being a timelord and possibly haruhi?
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Namtab posted:So when is sherlock going to fight slenderman while also being a timelord and possibly haruhi? He already did. WMG: Sherlock posted:Sherlock is the 12th Doctor According to other "theories" from the same page, he's also the child of M from James Bond and Dr. House (who is also his half-brother), except he's also Artemis Fowl and an Assassin's Creed assassin and a Vulcan, also Watson is Bilbo Baggins.
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The content violations thread (aka The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering, aka Why the gently caress Does This Need to Exist?) is usually worth a look. Discar posted:Gonna be honest: I still have no idea what the hell to do with Flexible Survival. Flexible Survival posted:Please bear in mind that these ARE adult games, and roleplaying is common and encouraged in the MUD. Consider both games completely NSFW.
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Saint Drogo posted:The content violations thread (aka The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering, aka Why the gently caress Does This Need to Exist?) is usually worth a look. 
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Oct 5, 2013 14:55
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Keromaru5 posted:Man, even the tropes page seems ashamed of what it's writing about. Still better than when the tropes page clearly isn't ashamed. Literature: Xanth posted:Author Appeal: Many people have accused Piers Anthony of enjoying having his younger female characters end up naked more than would be considered healthy. It's important to put scarequotes around "worse", since objectively there's nothing wrong with filling your books with sexualized little girls  YMMV: Xanth posted:Guilty Pleasure: Oh god yes. The puns, the tropes used, the plots... all combined combined with the Parental Bonus makes re-reading the Xanth novels 10-20 years out of the target audience a very guilty pleasure indeed. No we got rid of all the pedophiles honest we swear e: WMG: Xanth posted:Panties DON'T knock men out Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Oct 5, 2013 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Still better than when the tropes page clearly isn't ashamed. This is the thing I love most about Tropers. See, any person with even a shred of critical thinking ability would ask the question "gee, this Piers Anthony fellow sure does write a lot of contrived situations in which young girls end up naked or having sex; I wonder why that is?". Not Tropers, though - as long as there's some kind of in-story justification, no matter how tenuous, they're perfectly okay with it.
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Apple Tree posted:Think of the truly great stories, the ones that have become legendary for being the very best of the best of their genre: The Iliad, Romeo and Juliet, The Godfather, Watchmen, Planescape: Torment, the second season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, or that ending in Tsukihime. From forever ago where I am in the thread, but oh my god I may have to stop for a while.
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After reading so many references to tsundere, I forgot why it's still called a "trope" instead of a "cliché." So, I looked to TV Tropes to tell me the difference.
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I know it's been brought up before, but it really does look as though TV Tropes thinks creators actually, purposefully build their stories out of tropes, the way TV Tropes defines them, like ingredients in a recipe or Legos. Like, the Jorge Luis Borges page almost gives the impression that Borges might have actually thought, "Okay, I put the Mind Screw here and the Big Labyrinthine Building there, and maybe some Blessed With Suck would be good here." As opposed to "Hm, based on what I know about the world and human behavior, maybe this character should be doing this in such and such situation." It reminds me of the glaring flaw in the Left Behind books, that characters only do certain things because it's on the big post-rapture checklist. (or how there are so many phonecalls and airports, seemingly because that's what you do in thrillers!) I mean, I have things I like and want to write about -- floating islands, shared dreams -- and I'd love to write something about a ghost train someday -- but I don't exactly keep them on my spice rack.
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Also, since Piers Anthony came up, I got curious and searched for his novel Firefly, which has one of the worst pedophile apologias in mainstream literature. It doesn't seem to have its own page (purged, I guess?), but it did lead me to "Corruption by a Minor." In it, all but two of the Anime/Manga examples have to do with sex. Firefly is included in Literature as an example of an Alternate Interpretation of Lolita. And in Real Life, it mentioned "a tragic case of Loophole Abuse" in which underage girls prostitute themselves for quick cash and let the adults go to jail, and said that the law "had yet to catch up" with them. I almost posted it earlier, but then felt dirty. I don't know how you guys do it.
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Keromaru5 posted:And in Real Life, it mentioned "a tragic case of Loophole Abuse" in which underage girls prostitute themselves for quick cash and let the adults go to jail, and said that the law "had yet to catch up" with them. This made my stomach churn reading it. What the gently caress is up with tropers.
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There's maybe worse to be found on that site, but not by much. What the gently caress is wrong with people?
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What's wrong with these people? What's right with them?!
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Well, Piers Anthony's Firefly also turns up in "Less Disturbing in Context," and I'm honestly afraid to quote the entire description, because it's pretty frickin' disturbing out of context. I'll just leave you with this: quote:...she leaves a bottle of lubricant where they can find it, which in the context of the narration sounds charming rather than creepy.
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So, I watched Lawrence of Arabia. Fantastic film. Let's see what TvTropes has to say about it...Fanfic Recs posted:Stories focused on the romantic relationships between the cast. Goddammit.  quote:Word of Gay: David Lean on the film's homoerotic subtext: "Yes. Of course it is. Throughout. Lawrence was very, if not entirely, homosexual. We thought we were being very daring at the time: Lawrence and Omar, Lawrence and the Arab boys." About the only thing that the drat page goes into detail about is when sperging on historical accuracy, and lawrence's alleged homosexuality. And then they talk about how "edgy" the film is because it *gasp* [i]got crap past the radar!* How the gently caress is subtext that is left ambiguous an intentional attack against censorship? And that line from Omar Sharif, they seem to take it as proof that he loved Lawrence. Yes, in the film Sherif Ali does care deeply for Lawrence, but nothing outright claims a homosexual relationship. Sherif Ali was heartbroken that the man he had come to see as an equal and respect had been broken and succumbed to the same "barbarism" that Lawrence had denounced at the start of the film. He knew that Lawrence was changed, but he didn't want to believe it. Why do Tropers need to break down complex things into factoids with no meaning?
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Tropers are a natural extension of those dudes who have shelves of books they never read, but they're big, thick books that scholars ahve said are very important, and they want to tell you how they agree that those books are very important. They don't actually like the media they jerk off over, they collect them because they're told they're good. Except they don't stop at Lawrence of Arabia, they also have been told on Deviant Art that the My Little Pony/Fallout crossover is also very important, so they must collect it and nod and go 'ah yes very important'.
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Keromaru5 posted:Well, Piers Anthony's Firefly also turns up in "Less Disturbing in Context," and I'm honestly afraid to quote the entire description, because it's pretty frickin' disturbing out of context. I've read Firefly (it was middle school, mistakes were made), so I can say with some authority that nothing in that novel is less disturbing in context. I'm honestly sort of impressed that TVT deleted the page on it -- by the logic of "delete Lolita, save Terrible Pedophilia Anime #574," it should have been been safe forever.
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Annointed posted:What's wrong with these people? What's right with them?! They're what the Goons would have been if we didn't start making fun of each other.
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Keromaru5 posted:Well, Piers Anthony's Firefly also turns up in "Less Disturbing in Context," and I'm honestly afraid to quote the entire description, because it's pretty frickin' disturbing out of context. Well of course it's charming, they're going for a bike ride and she wants to make sure that all of her pals keep their bicycles in tip-top condition for everyone's safety 
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Oi, less armchair psychology more  Keromaru5 posted:I almost posted it earlier, but then felt dirty. I don't know how you guys do it. quote:In more than one tragic instance of Loophole Abuse, young girls have sold their bodies to pedophiles for some quick money, fully knowing they cannot possibly be sentenced guilty by law for prostitution, while said men (and sometimes women) get charged for indecent assault or non-consentual intercourse which means a long time in prison. Suffice to say, laws have yet to catch up on this practice. I find myself wanting to rant about all the ways in which this is hosed and wrong, but who the hell would that explanation be for? Tropers ain't gonna listen. This page has been around since 2010, for the record. And led me to... Seikon no Qwaser posted:Seikon no Qwaser is written by Yoshino Hiroyuki and drawn by Satou Kenetsu, the artist of the manga adaptations of Mai-HiME and Mai-Otome. It is a story about Russian Orthodox Church Militants using alchemy with power over one specific element from the periodic table each. However, the Qwaser recharge their power by drinking "Soma" from women's breasts, and the stronger the emotions of the woman being sucked, the more potent the Soma. Yes, this rule applies to female Qwaser as well. Saint Drogo fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Oct 6, 2013 |
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Now that it's been posted here, Fast Eddie will be swift to delete it.
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TV Tropes Main Page posted:We are not looking for dull and uninteresting entries. Let's take a jaunt through the random article button. Messy Hair posted:Some characters just can't get their hair into a neat and tidy hairstyle. Others can't be bothered. Still others actually like their hair that way. All of them have Messy Hair. Endangered Species posted:In recent decades, the term 'Endangered Species' has been popularized in many media. Endangered Species have become a major international cultural phenomena, with creatures such as the Giant Panda becoming global celebrities. While the term 'Endangered Species' probably entered common usage with the passage of The Endangered Species Act in 1973, the concept is far older. In 1948, the International Union for Conservation of Nature began formally classifying certain species as 'endangered', and the beginnings of wildlife conservation date as far back as late ancient times. Ring Menu posted:A Ring Menu (also known as a Pie Menu) is an interface element where a list of possible actions are displayed in a ring or circle, often centered around a character. Sword Pointing posted:A character points a sword forward, either to challenge an enemy or command an army. Depending on how heavy the weapon is, this might be hard as hell to do in real life for any extended time period. Recurring Location posted:A place which is not the main hub or boss area in a series, but a minor place which appears over and over again within the same series. Visible Sigh posted:Relegated mainly to lighter anime, the Visible Sigh is a little white cloud that appears near and moves away from the mouth of a person sighing. It is also used to symbolize heavy breathing after exertion and some cases where the onomatopoeia "phew!" is used in English. The cloud itself is usually circular with a small "stem" that points toward the character emitting it. Name One posted:Alice cites a statistic of some sort. Bob, however, believes this is untrue and asks Alice to give one example of this statistic. And Alice gives an example. Brown Eyes posted:Brown eyes are a sign of a trustworthy and stable character. A character who's "down-to-earth". It can even mean that they have earth-based powers. Its very rare in both Eastern and Western animation, and even film, for a Caucasian of either gender to have brown eyes. This is due to their apparent plainness and association with the generic, as most fiction is focused around characters with special traits. However, brown eyes can be used to emphasize a character's charming or seductive nature.  )Bonus material: Apologetics for Black Dude Dies First! quote:In the past this perception was because there were few black leads in big-budget films outside of those that focused specifically on race or used it to make a point. Historically moviemakers were generally writing to white audiences, so it was natural (at least in their opinion) for whites to get more screen time. And if the writers throw in a Token Minority to give the cast more believable racial balance, who do you think is going to die first, them or the folks who have a bigger role in the script?
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Djeser posted:messy hair is a trope Oh man, that's me! That's who I am in the mornings! It's a motif in my life! I finally have a troper tale of my own! Other morning motifs: Coffee. I wonder what Tropers have to say about coffee? Uncoffee posted:Every single Speculative Fiction setting comes with a hot, mildly stimulant beverage that can take the place of coffee, and more often than not has a name that sounds very much like "coffee". Apparently coffee itself is too mundane to talk about; alternately, authors of Medieval European Fantasy may want to avoid it because it wasn't common in Europe until the 17th century. quote:In the Judge Dredd universe they drink Synthi-Caff quote:The Borijans—the six-limbed birdlike aliens responsible for the mechanical biosphere on Titan—on the other hand drink (or rather drank, as their planet was destroyed half a million years ago) graff, made from a kind of dried seaweed. Justified in that they're six-limbed birdlike aliens from a planet that was destroyed half a million years ago. quote:In Dune they drink coffee flavored with melange, which makes perfect sense for Space Arabs.note Granted, this isn't entirely by choice, since melange is everywhere on Arrakis anyway, to the point that everyone on Arrakis is addicted to it. quote:A piece of Warhammer 40k fluff had the Imperial Guard drinking "Recycled caffeine" at an outpost before they were massacred by the Tyranids quote:In Fairest by Gail Carson Levine, the citizens of Ayortha enjoy a hot molasses beverage called ostumo. quote:Frederick The Great liked coffee boiled in champagne. quote:In Horatio Hornblower, the Navy typically uses burnt bread (with lots of sugar to mask the taste) once the actual coffee runs out.
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TGLT posted:Maybe? I don't know why it needs to be "justified", but okay. I guess it's not about being coffee but about being a culturally significant drink, then? Does that make tea "uncoffee" or is coffee "untea"? The whole "justified trope" thing is weird, their page on it says it's when the use of a given trope is actually required in the story or is the logical consequence of something else that happened in it, but for a community that's all about listing every single goddamn thing that happens in a work no matter how minor, they're oddly defensive at times about admitting works they like have a trope in them. A bit of self-awareness of the fact trope is really just a nicer way to say cliche, maybe?
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