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It's a good thing people who say "read the koran and see for yourself" have read it themselves. And the bible, for that matter.
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Maybe I'm just a weird Jew but I feel a lot less disrespected by the Muslims halfway around the world than by the evangelicals here at home who keep bleating that this is a Christian nation.
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Oct 5, 2013 02:43
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TerminalSaint posted:It's a good thing people who say "read the koran and see for yourself" have read it themselves. And the bible, for that matter. The New Testament is in fact pretty light on violence and calls for violence. That's the usual defense of guys like that when you call them on it. The problem is they almost always hold Old Testament-only positions.
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Oct 5, 2013 02:50
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VideoTapir posted:The New Testament is in fact pretty light on violence and calls for violence. That's the usual defense of guys like that when you call them on it. The problem is they almost always hold Old Testament-only positions. "Religion of God's Love? More like God's love for violence!" 
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Oct 5, 2013 04:17
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Well, you can just point out the 30 Years` War, or maybe the big Mormon War in Utah, or any other kind of Christian-on-Christian violence, of which there are many instances, and in which it would be hard even for the most hard-headed of revisionists to blame Jews or Muslims or whatnot.
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Oct 5, 2013 04:20
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Strudel Man posted:You're just going to look like an idiot if you try to go all "you too" by pointing to conflicts that occurred literally centuries ago. Yeah, I would just challenge him to actually get a Koran and find the "war-mongering" parts of it. Not say "lol Christians suck too." Those arguments never get anywhere.
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Strudel Man posted:You're just going to look like an idiot if you try to go all "you too" by pointing to conflicts that occurred literally centuries ago.
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Oct 5, 2013 04:22
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Forget God's army. Try the US Army. How many civilians dead because of our intervention in Iraq? But greatn, you say, that isn't Christian violence. That is violence of a nation. I thought you said this was a Christian nation? 
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Oct 5, 2013 04:27
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greatn posted:Forget God's army. Try the US Army. How many civilians dead because of our intervention in Iraq?  Now that we've settled that, I have a question: I've given up on arguing with that Israeli font of Fox News talking points I mentioned earlier, but one thing that came up kind of gave me pause; I started out by saying that lack of foodstamps will cause starvation, and was asked to cite it. Not only was I simply not able to find any mention online of deaths due to lack of foodstamps, googling for starvation during the Depression led me to this study, which seems to suggest that mortality actually decreased during the Great Depression. It is really troubling and can easily be used as an argument against government benefits, so I need to know whether it's right, in which case I will have to start riding the libertarian crazy train, or whether I/they are missing something fundamental, which is probably far more likely.
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greatn posted:Forget God's army. Try the US Army. How many civilians dead because of our intervention in Iraq?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
Here's my amateur crack at explaining one small portion of this phenomenon: That study posted:Of six causes of death that compose about two-thirds of total mortality in the 1930s (Fig. 4), only suicides increased during the Great Depression. Suicide mortality peaked with unemployment, in the most recessionary years, 1921, 1932, and 1938. After increasing during the 1920s, mortality due to cardiovascular/renal diseases stabilized in 1930–1932. Tuberculosis mortality had decreased sharply during the 1920s and continued its decline through the 1930s. However, over and above these trends, both cardiovascular and tuberculosis mortality reveal peaks in 1926, 1928, and especially 1936, coinciding with economic expansions. Mortality due to flu/pneumonia was lower during the 1930s than during the late 1920s. Perhaps cardiovascular diseases stabilized because people were eating less? I know there weren't Big Macs in the 30s, but it's easier to avoid a heart attack if all you can't afford a diet heavy in meat and cheese. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the transmission rate of communicable diseases such as TB and the flu dropped as unemployment rose and people were less likely to be in close quarters in the workplace. Of course, transmission rates do not necessarily equal mortality rates, which is what this study measures. This is all speculation on my part. You could also try to find data on malnutrition. I.e. maybe people didn't starve during the Great Depression, but a lot more of them ended up not getting essential nutrients? I dunno.
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Brawnfire posted:
It is always pretty funny how, when it comes to politics, people always get so worked up over the most harmless of fluff pieces.
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Wanamingo posted:It is always pretty funny how, when it comes to politics, people always get so worked up over the most harmless of fluff pieces. The Kim Jong Il references are gonna be nonstop if Obama ever makes a hole in one while golfing
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Now that we've settled that, I have a question: I've given up on arguing with that Israeli font of Fox News talking points I mentioned earlier, but one thing that came up kind of gave me pause; I started out by saying that lack of foodstamps will cause starvation, and was asked to cite it. Not only was I simply not able to find any mention online of deaths due to lack of foodstamps, googling for starvation during the Depression led me to this study, which seems to suggest that mortality actually decreased during the Great Depression. It is really troubling and can easily be used as an argument against government benefits, so I need to know whether it's right, in which case I will have to start riding the libertarian crazy train, or whether I/they are missing something fundamental, which is probably far more likely. Didn't a lot of the deaths during the Great Depression go unreported? Also if people didn't need food stamps they wouldn't be commonly used. If the person you're arguing with tries to claim that this is a mass exploitation of the system by those dirty poors to get booze/drugs/HDTV money, then you shift the onus on them to back up their claim.
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Wanamingo posted:It is always pretty funny how, when it comes to politics, people always get so worked up over the most harmless of fluff pieces. The "Eda Torial" guy is a laugh riot all on his own. He apparently owns a local insurance business. He's spent several replies telling me to "find a barber and a razor" and to "go find a job" to find a way to "become important" and "serve my fellow man" and "go become a man." Which is hilarious, because he knows nothing about me or what I do, he's a fat douchebag with one of those buzz-cuts that gets all white above the ears, and his main photo is of him with two half-dressed girls at some motorcycle convention. I politely reminded him that, "with as douchebaggy a profile picture as yours, you may want to back off the ad hominem attacks." I really don't know why he hates beards so much. Plus, I'm sure that if I told him my main "job/way to be 'important'/serving my fellow man" was that I am an artist who does massive amounts of local illustration work, (oftentimes pro-bono for non-profits) he would mock me as not doing something real or important--and his wife owns and runs an art & music education center out of the same place he sells insurance! Sardine Wit posted:I like the guy who says there wasn't a baskin and robbins there. Icecreamgate! Obama's past has been difficult to stitch together. It had to be exotic enough to make Democrats feel like they were making a difference, but American enough that the majority would vote him in. Difficult to achieve, and some details here-and-there slipped through the cracks. There was no Baskin Robbins. There was no first kiss. Michelle was assigned to Barack when he graduated from Secret Muslim Terrorist Training Camp in Kenya. Together, they are a well-oiled machine, two blades working in unison to whittle away the edifice of American society and leave naught but Gay Shariah in its stead. Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Oct 5, 2013 |
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Brawnfire posted:
I like the guy who says there wasn't a baskin and robbins there. Icecreamgate! 
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So I made a post on another site and I am not sure I was really justified. I have been so sick and tired of the same old rhetoric being spouted by teabaggers, and I may have lost my cool. Here are the posts:me, sarcasm mode posted:Nuance is for liberals. No one else has time for that. Other dude posted:That is ridiculous. Liberals, including Obama, expressed concern about America's foreign debt while Bush was in office, only for it to become a non-issue once they had a Democrat in the white house. My political views are center-left, but that doesn't mean I can't be strongly concerned about the health of the U.S. dollar. me, maybe being an rear end in a top hat posted:Want to take a guess as to why it isnt an issue now? Is it me? Am I the rear end in a top hat?
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When did liberals make a stink about US "foreign debt?" When he says that, he is thinking that the US owes all its debt to the Chinese government, isn't he?
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VideoTapir posted:When did liberals make a stink about US "foreign debt?" Bush was (rightly) criticized from the left for spending a shitload of money on horrible wars, while simultaneously cutting taxes on the rich. Many people pointed to the debt as an indicator that even if you disputed these policies being outright evil, they were still very stupid.
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Mornacale posted:Bush was (rightly) criticized from the left for spending a shitload of money on horrible wars, while simultaneously cutting taxes on the rich. Many people pointed to the debt as an indicator that even if you disputed these policies being outright evil, they were still very stupid. I was thinking more of the specification that it was foreign debt.
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AShamefulDisplay posted:So I made a post on another site and I am not sure I was really justified. I have been so sick and tired of the same old rhetoric being spouted by teabaggers, and I may have lost my cool. Here are the posts: Nope. You only stated facts and conclusions in a forceful way. You were rude to the tea party, and they asked for it and should be able to take it. The Tea Party stuff might be a little tangential, but that depends on what this guy said before.
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Oct 5, 2013 13:46
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I know it gets requested repeatedly, but does anyone have that rundown of Ron Paul and all the dumb things he wants?
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I think you're looking for the Paulbomb http://pastebin.com/92H9qZP2
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See, I knew it was called something dumb like that. Thanks.
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Soviet Commubot posted:I think you're looking for the Paulbomb Somebody needs to make something like this for all of the bad things Republicans are responsible for over the last 20 years and all of the good things they have killed, or have tried to.
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Tomahawk posted:Somebody needs to make something like this for all of the bad things Republicans are responsible for over the last 20 years and all of the good things they have killed, or have tried to. I'm pretty sure even Pastebin has an upload limit.
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Ah, Grandpa.quote:AINT NO MUSLIM SO READ ON There was also the infamous suicide bomber class cartoon at the bottom. It's hard to pick the best part, but I think I'm going to go with the opening because I can hear my grandmother saying "No, it's not okay to make those kinds of jokes, I've been trying to tell you that for sixty years!"
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Oct 6, 2013 03:00
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I was unaware the Koran had a passage about getting offended at racist and unfunny jokes to join them.
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Pretty sure it isn't okay to make jokes about those other groups too.
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Brennanite posted:Ah, Grandpa. People do sometimes make jokes at Christians' expense, but, oddly enough, not on the level of painting them as murderous, poo poo-stained barbarians.
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I spent the entire night leading up to the shutdown drinking and screaming at my computer monitor as I watched the congress gently caress around on C-SPAN. Then I get this poo poo, from fellow federal employees.    Cliff Diver is an avowed creationist who left this lovely tome in the breakroom in the hopes of winning new converts.
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Oct 6, 2013 03:50
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I like to think the Obama comparison to Reagan and the comment about how Nixon would be a RINO by conservative standards totally broke his brain, which is why his last response is a really formal way of saying "lol agree to disagree, scary if you think about it!!".
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miscellaneous14 posted:I like to think the Obama comparison to Reagan and the comment about how Nixon would be a RINO by conservative standards totally broke his brain, which is why his last response is a really formal way of saying "lol agree to disagree, scary if you think about it!!". Nate Silver, of course, addressed the rightwards shift of the GOP once, and in doing so created this pretty great chart:  (from here) It does a pretty good job of showing how even arch-Republicans from the past tend to be significantly less conservative than the GOP today.
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Sardine Wit posted:I like the guy who says there wasn't a baskin and robbins there. Icecreamgate! Everyone knows lizard people don't eat ice cream. The combination of sugar and dairy is difficult for their reptilian stomachs to digest. This is it. I've found how to effectively counter these people.
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When I talk to someone who believes in all that crazy stuff I try to stick extra conspiracies on them too. Like if someone is complaining about agenda 21, I say something like "What's more likely, A: The UN honestly cares about sustainable growth and renewable energy or B: Reptoids have managed to bypass the HAARP shield and are now using the UN as their newest plan to trick us into drinking fluoride." EDIT: One thing that's just fun is to make para-paranormal statements, i.e., statements about their conspiracy theories that are outside the accepted canon among conspiracy theorists. HAARP as a defensive weapon against paranormal forces; chemtrail and fluoride prevent us from being able to contact ghosts; JFK faked his death and had his "Assassin" killed to keep it secret; etc. Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Oct 6, 2013 |
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My friend, the super compassionate, kindest, smartest person I know that is also, somehow, a full on free market libertarian, posted something about the Tea Party not being terrorists because they are not holding literal guns to literal people. I am Black, he is Blue. Pink and Red and immaterial to the discussion.
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I guess he's technically right, it is absolutely within their constitutional powers to crash our economy. If legal=moral to him then I guess there's nothing to discuss.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I guess he's technically right, it is absolutely within their constitutional powers to crash our economy. It always is for libertarians. Except when an "urban" type has their conviction overturned because they got the poo poo beaten out of them until they confessed. Then it's "a technicality getting in the way of justice."
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I guess he's technically right, it is absolutely within their constitutional powers to crash our economy. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT'S WHY RULES ARE MADE!! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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